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- Oct 14, 2004
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- United Kingdom
Hey everybody,
Hope you are all well.
Apologies for not replying sooner. I have been on a short break while Tropica undergoes a change of ownership.
Myself and Dieter are working on this matter. Please be patient while we gather all the information needed for a resolution.
There have been quite a few incorrect facts posted in this thread which we really need to clarify for the record. We could address each and every post in this thread and present a sound argument, truth or acknowledgement where necessary, but fear you could be reading all weekend long, so we have addressed some of the important / relevant ones below.
Thank you for your time,
Duwayne
- It will be greatly appreciated if every one posting online could stick to the truth when posting something as a fact. I know you are players and you see things differently from operators, affiliates and other stakeholders in this industry, but posting the first thing that pops into your head as a fact (without been 100% certain) is simply not conducive to finding a viable resolution. Other members here read these posts and believe everything stated as fact. It will certainly help other operators, players, reps, affiliates etc. in the future.
How about the facts about the relationships between 4 Canadians, Bonne Chance, Silverstone, and this new entity that has sprung up. Bryan was sent threatening lawyers letters simply for allowing a forum discussion about court disclosures in a patent dispute. Court documents are a public record, and as such are fair game for public discussion. This looks like an attempt by the powerful to suppress the facts in favour of their corporate "spin", so expecting everyone else to stick 100% to the facts is a bit rich..
- No "bribes" were offered to anyone and Zodiac should post the mail Dieter sent to him last week along with all the mails he sent to Tracy and Dieter so that you have all the information you need.
From what was revealed, it looked like a bribe of $500 was being offered. Why else would the casino talk about a payment of $500 to someone making enquiries involving this case..
- No player info was, or is ever shared via PM with anyone (unless permission is granted). Nifty was mailed to say that the OP was not been completely honest and that he (Nifty) posted an incorrect fact about my association with Loco Panda. I wanted Nifty to retract the statement and he did.
Very likely true, but the fact that information we have entrusted to casinos seems to flow so freely into the hands of spammers makes many paranoid about how casinos treat our personal details..
- Rival do not own any casinos - this message seems to be a common post for 1 or 2 members here. Rival is a software company, like MGS, NETENT etc.
This is a complicated issue, Bonne Chance own them, but then Bonne chance is owned by Rival, so maybe true on paper, but in the "real world", Rival own them.
.- Rival do not get involved with operators. If an operator fails, then the business is closed or sold off to an operator who can look after it. All software companies adopt this policy if it makes good business sense.
So, why so much of this "Rival says", followed by owners apologising for not having the freedom to overrule a directive from Rival. If Rival tell an operator to jump, and that operator has to jump whether or not he wants to, this is certainly Rival getting involved with operators..
- We have been added to the rogue pit here because of this complaint. This is regrettable considering we never had the opportunity to look into this, as should be the custom when a dispute is filed on a public forum.
The problem arose on the 18th Jan, and didn't hit the forum till the 24th Feb. This gave you a good 5 weeks to "look into it" before any of us had the slightest idea this issue existed.
- Tropica has been in operation for 3.5 years and I have been here since inception. Several posters in this thread play/ed at Tropica and it is surprising that no one has mentioned the good service and fast payouts they have received (except Chopley). I personally would not work for a casino that does not pay players or treats people poorly. I take pride in my work and in helping build this brand. A Google search should establish that we are most certainly not a rogue operation. There are affiliates here that can attest to our service, payments and generosity. We have a rock solid team with ample knowledge, as well as good capital backing.
So why the terrible misconceptions about how gambling works that are getting sent to players, one of which was so crazy that it was the main cause of the casino warning and transfer to the pit.
.- It is true that we decided months ago to stop been present on this forum as we were not allowed to become accredited. Bryan was steadfast in his rule that no white label could ever become accredited. As we did our own processing and support (office hours and central support after hours), we felt we were not a white label, however we could not get a Baptism by Fire. That is why I have not been present as no matter how much work we did, we would never get off the "Not Recommended List". This particular matter however warrants our involvement and if we can leave the forum knowing we did the best we could, then we will be satisfied with that.
You were very dependent still on Rival to perform basic services, and it does appear even now that Rival have considerable powers to dictate some aspects of the day to day operation of Tropica. Running away just because you can't gain accreditation makes it look like the purpose of having a rep here was primarily to pressure the administration into granting this status, rather than a genuine willingness to provide help to players. As it turns out, you were on the verge of convincing Bryan question his blanket ruling that no white label could ever become accredited, and then you ruined it. Going into hiding just meant that a really big issue erupted, and you weren't around to spot it early enough to prevent it getting out of control.
.- I have to end on this point: One regular poster here (you will know who you are) - You were operating 2 accounts and we proved that to you. You had linked accounts at several Rival casinos and were taking up multiple bonuses at each. We did not punish you or embarrass you with the proof here on the forum; we simply bonus banned the 2nd account and allowed you to continuing playing with bonuses, yet you have made multiple posts against Tropica since then in an effort to tarnish our reputation. It will be appreciated if you file a PAB or a PM, if you feel you were hard done by in any way. I will gladly try to understand your reasoning.
Can't happen, Bryan has ruled that no PAB service is available for Rival white label operations. It seems to be in part a reaction to the tantrum thrown by Rival's owners because they just couldn't get any of their operators into the accredited section. Bryan was told by Rival's lawyers to more or less rewrite history. He refused, but did shut down the controversial thread that seemed to trigger the tantrum, but decided that Rival was no longer an operation he was prepared to deal with for the PAB process. In a way, the actions of the software provider has interfered with the services that Bryan is prepared to offer the operators.
If this unnamed poster with two Tropica accounts is not the OP, how come the OP isn't being paid?
As for accounts at other Rivals, so what, none of your business really, what matters is what a player has done (or not done) at Tropica.
Maybe you should tell Max and Bryan the full story, with evidence, as to how you fairly reached the decision not to pay the OP. If they agree that your decision was fair, there is every chance Tropica will at least get out of the pit and into the reservation.
Be careful though, don't let your CS handle it, and don't quote them without taking the utmost care







