This Is Vegas Owe Me 80,000 USD

[gid88]

Hi there, I've been posting my issue on Online Casino Suite and at the suggestion of the Admins over there, I have posted my gripe here in the hope of getting a resolution.

They gave the okay to post the thread here, and I hope Casino Meister don't mind if I do so:

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The meat of the thread and my complaint is as follows:

Basically, i registered an account with This is Vegas whilst my account was locked with SlotoCash (more about this later). I made a deposit with TIV in the amount of 1000usd with a 50% bonus introductory sign-up. So i was playing a few rounds of the game of Heavy Weight Gold at $20 and gradually worked my way to winnings of about $5000.

I then increased my bets to $50 and whilst playing this level at "max bet", hit the 7 free game round. Before i knew it, the blonde boxer was on the first reel, and three wilds were in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th wheels respectively and another blonde guy on the fifth reel - i racked up approx $30,000 on that bonus round alone. I kept playing and increased my bets to $100 a spin (I realize they don't allow that now - for obvious reasons), anyway, i kept on playing, hitting the bonus rounds a few times (the "KO" rounds) as well as the free spins a few times and after about 5 hours of playing managed to get up to approximately $83,000. I figured the bonus conditions were fully complied with.

I thought, okay, time to make a withdrawal so I withdrew the maximum amount of 5,000usd. 2 days later, I go back into TIV to find my account locked and my withdrawals reversed. I sent an email requesting why (there's no contact number). The reason was that "management was looking into it". Fair enough I thought, let's see how they can get out of this one. Anyway, after a number of emails being sent back and forth they tell me that I had a credit card issue with Sloto Cash and therefore they would not be paying me my winnings and my account would be locked. AND that this was "management's final decision" i.e we're keeping your money and you're not getting your $80,000 winnings. Nice response.

So the issue with Sloto Cash - I had been playing at Sloto Cash for quite a few months prior to registering with TIV (I liked or used to like Rival Games). One day Sloto send me an email saying that they received chargebacks from a credit card I had apparently used and wanted me to contact the bank to return those chargebacks. Problem was, the credit card was not mine, there was no way I could contact a bank I did not have an account or credit card with so obviously there was some type of fraudulent activity happening with my account through someone else. Sloto Cash and I came to the resolution that my account would be frozen (I had over $5,000 in my account with them at the time) and they would allow me to play again in three months to ensure that there was no more fraudulent activity on my Sloto account. We came to an agreement which both parties agreed to.

So, having a good relationship with Sloto and the VIP managers there, I explained to them my situation with TIV. They told me that they are in NO WAY RELATED to TIV and advised me to contact Rival directly who would resolve this.

So I did, and Rival did get back to me with "Sorry, TIV's management decision is final"....JOKE. I replied that my issues with Sloto Cash had been resolved and came back with a surprise response of "MANAGEMENT's DECISION IS FINAL"...thanks RIVAL !!! where's my 80 thou ??

 

[winbig]

Hi there, I've been posting my issue on Online Casino Suite and at the suggestion of the Admins over there, I have posted my gripe here in the hope of getting a resolution.

Apparently they don't know anything about CM, or they would have told you that posting details here will drastically reduce your chances of ever seeing a penny.

If you still have time, delete your post and file a PAB - https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/

Or, PM one of the mods and have them take the details out of your post for you, if you can't edit it.

 

[winbig]

Don't need any more details than this, but:

Was this your first deposit with TIV, or have they been taking your action before this happened?

 

[Rusty]

As always we will have to wait to hear from the other side but if what the Op says is correct then any issues with an unrelated Casino resolved or not have nothing to do with it- how did they know about these issues anyway - was there a red flag on your Rival account?
If so why did they take your deposit?
I will bite my tongue for a while.

 

[bonustreak]

The player has been sent here on my advice everyone, I am sure they do not know the exact way to go about getting help from this forum so please go easy. We have also advised the player to do a PAB as well. I felt the story needed to get out on the forums to warn other players to not play at TIV because if you do win the chances of you being paid are very slim!

 

[maxd]

@gid88: If you want to file a formal complaint here at Casinomeister check out our Pitch-A-Bitch (aka 'PAB') service.

In a nutshell you file your Pitch-A-Bitch by completing the PAB form, I receive that, pre-screen it and then submit it to the casino people. The idea is that we're seeking a resolution to your complaint or a good reason why it cannot be resolved satisfactorily. The service is free of charge and is available to all Casinomeister members in good standing.

If you decide you do want to use the Pitch-A-Bitch service you are STRONGLY advised to read the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ in full.

Why? Because you have responsibilities in the PAB process too -- both in filing your PAB and while the PAB process is ongoing -- and a successful PAB depends as much on you and your cooperation with our procedures as it does with the casino.

You can see more about past PABs on our PAB Archives page.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Casinomeister.com, Pitch-A-Bitch Manager and Forum Moderator

 

[KasinoKing]

WOW!
Where do I start?
Well with the inconsistencies in the opening post. These may seem very minor and "nit-picking" to some, but for me they start to ring some alarm bells.
First:

I then increased my bets to $50...

Has ANYONE else seen this slot allow $50 bets at any casino?
I certainly haven't. The max at most Rivals is $20 (including on my TiV account)
Later he says he upped that to $100/spin... !

Next:

... and whilst playing this level at "max bet", hit the 7 free game round...

For someone who played for 5 hours you would think they would know this game gives 10 free-spins.

And:

Before i knew it, the blonde boxer was on the first reel, and three wilds were in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th wheels respectively and another blonde guy on the fifth reel...

That's very clever, since the Wild does not appear on reel 4!

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Something a little bit fishy about this story - but anyway, that's all irrelevant since the reason for withholding the winnings is due to "credit card fraud" at another casino.
If this player is a serial fraudster (history of multiple charge-backs) then I agree the casino could be justified in closing the account until any deposits are fully cleared and un-reversible. But I can't agree with keeping the winnings on these grounds.

The only way forward IMHO is Pitch-a-Bitch and then be VERY patient!

KK

 

[all4greed]

Oh please KK. You know better than anyone that Rival software is glitchy. I've had all 5 reels with expanding wilds, betting 500 per spin.

Don't be a hater.

 

[Simmo!]

Assuming TiV has refused the winnings of a player based on an issue at another casino, then clearly information is being shared. So:

1) Why did they accept deposits from the player if they knew this?
2) Were these winnings won legitimately, according to the T&C's?

IMO if you accept a player, and he has acted according to the T&C's then you pay the player when he wins.

 

[Nate]

Assuming TiV has refused the winnings of a player based on an issue at another casino, then clearly information is being shared. So:

1) Why did they accept deposits from the player if they knew this?
2) Were these winnings won legitimately, according to the T&C's?

IMO if you accept a player, and he has acted according to the T&C's then you pay the player when he wins.

Agreed Simmo, another issue is that ... had the players balance gone South, it would be ignored until such time that he withdraws. This issue only arises when the Casino needs to pay...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Assuming TiV has refused the winnings of a player based on an issue at another casino, then clearly information is being shared. So:

1) Why did they accept deposits from the player if they knew this?
2) Were these winnings won legitimately, according to the T&C's?

IMO if you accept a player, and he has acted according to the T&C's then you pay the player when he wins.

Why then, did they not share the information that this issue had been RESOLVED at Sloto.

Clearly, if this resolution was that Sloto would freeze his account to make sure nothing else went wrong, he WOULD go to a different casino to play in the meantime.

The discrepancies might be down to him mis-identifying the game he was playing, although this does not explain the $100 bets towards the end. Does ANY Rival slot allow bets at this level, let alone one with expanding wilds.

Sloto ARE involved in this issue, whether they like it or not. THEY shared the "red flag" with TIV through Rival, so THEY are responsible if it turns out to be a cock-up (the OP says it is NOT his card, but one he has nothing to do with).

Companies CAN be charged with LIBEL if they wrongly identify someone as having made a chargeback, or other breach, and then SHARE this information with third parties. Banks HAVE been found guilty of libel for wrongly bouncing a cheque in the past, since the act of bouncing indicates to the party receiving the cheque that the person who wrote it does not have the funds to cover it. If the card company in this case wrongly charged back deposits, they too can be taken to court for libel, and damages.

 

[rockycatt]

are screen shots allowed at this time if so id like a peek

 

[maphesto]

I sent both thisisvegaslina and Sloto a PM about this thread.

It's certainly strange that the OP have a different game than we others though..

 

[Simmo!]

Sloto ARE involved in this issue, whether they like it or not. THEY shared the "red flag" with TIV through Rival, so THEY are responsible if it turns out to be a cock-up (the OP says it is NOT his card, but one he has nothing to do with).

Unless the information was passed to TiV from Rival somehow.

 

[Mousey]

I sent both thisisvegaslina and Sloto a PM about this thread.

It's certainly strange that the OP have a different game than we others though..

Max bet available for me at Rivals was (I haven't played in ages is why I say 'was') $3 on reel slots and something like $6 or maybe $6.75 on vid slots. (It changed during gameplay on a vid slot at one Rival -- I was betting something like $15 a spin on the Cleopatra slot, and winning. Got booted, and when I came back, <>$6 was max) LOL

 

[Rusty]

Max bet available for me at Rivals was (I haven't played in ages is why I say 'was') $3 on reel slots and something like $6 or maybe $6.75 on vid slots. (It changed during gameplay on a vid slot at one Rival -- I was betting something like $15 a spin on the Cleopatra slot, and winning. Got booted, and when I came back, <>$6 was max) LOL

This is an interesting discrepancy that KK has brought to our attention.

This is pure speculation on my part but there seems to be two distinct possibilities here.

Either the Op is full of it and placed no such wagers.
Or
Rival Casinos are able to change the max wager to their games at any time.
This would then imply that they were tracking the Ops account once it was seen he was doing rather well and in desperation upped the max betting limits hoping to win it back - probably already considering how they would wriggle out of payment if the plan went belly up.
That is very speculative on my part but the evidence thus far suggests it is a possibility.

I could go further and suggest Rival were maybe even party to it but that would just be rampant wild speculation.

 

[blacklabrador]

Something is fishy seeing that the OP hasn't been back yet after all the responses.

 

[KasinoKing]

Rival Casinos are able to change the max wager to their games at any time.

Yes, they can.
Back in March I was playing a huge welcome bonus at Orange Gamez on Winter Wonders. After playing for some time at $7.50/spin I decided to up it to the max of $18.75/spin; It was fine for about 5 or 6 spins, then I got "booted" out of the game. When I came back in the maximum was $7.50/spin.
Tried the same thing on Love and Money and got the same result!

This would then imply that they were tracking the Ops account once it was seen he was doing rather well and in desperation upped the max betting limits hoping to win it back - probably already considering how they would wriggle out of payment if the plan went belly up.
That is very speculative on my part but the evidence thus far suggests it is a possibility.

Even with my case above, I VERY seriously doubt there is someone sitting there in the casino tracking what players are doing. I think it's much more likely to be some automated system, though why it let me do any big spins at all does cast some uncertainty on that...

However, I still find it extremely unlikely that TiV would allow bets of $50, let alone $100/spin on ANY of their slots.

KK

 

[deucebag]

Rival Casinos are able to change the max wager to their games at any time.
This would then imply that they were tracking the Ops account once it was seen he was doing rather well and in desperation upped the max betting limits hoping to win it back - probably already considering how they would wriggle out of payment if the plan went belly up.
That is very speculative on my part but the evidence thus far suggests it is a possibility.

Rival operators can and do increase bet limits for indiviual players. I have first hand experience with it, and have had up to $100 (though haven't used it). Sadly, I'm not surprised to see KasinoKing's attempt to cast suspicion. He should change his title to "Rival Apologist". There is no reason to doubt the OP -- his experience is completely in line with the increasingly rogue behaviour we've seen from Rival white labels.

 

[gid88]

Reply to threads

Apologies for not getting back to all the posts (there are alot of them), i'm currently in Australia at the moment and working in a completely different time zone to you guys (I presume most of you are in the States). Anyway, in answer to the main question that's been asked regarding wagering, the issue arose approximately 7-9 months ago (replying on the go so need to check my emails as to the exact time I was playing). In any case, during that time, TIV did take deposits from me, approximately 3,000usd. I was playing a bonus and played through that. Also at the time, Heavy Weight Gold was taking $100 bets...i noticed that at other Rival Casinos this was not possible and I also noticed that at Rival a few weeks after my dispute with them they took this ability to bet $100 down. There are certainly games on the Rival scene that accept $100 bets (or used to when I was playing there, don't now) eg Rock Star and that other game with the Leprechaun.

As for my issue with Sloto, like I said, it was resolved amicably.

I will when I get time post on the PAB. Thanks for your comments and feedback - much appreciated.

 

[blacklabrador]

Yes, they can.
Back in March I was playing a huge welcome bonus at Orange Gamez on Winter Wonders. After playing for some time at $7.50/spin I decided to up it to the max of $18.75/spin; It was fine for about 5 or 6 spins, then I got "booted" out of the game. When I came back in the maximum was $7.50/spin.
Tried the same thing on Love and Money and got the same result!


Even with my case above, I VERY seriously doubt there is someone sitting there in the casino tracking what players are doing. I think it's much more likely to be some automated system, though why it let me do any big spins at all does cast some uncertainty on that...

However, I still find it extremely unlikely that TiV would allow bets of $50, let alone $100/spin on ANY of their slots.

KK

I also thought that there was never someone sitting there tracking my play at any casino until Enzo messaged me on 3dice saying I shouldnt be wagering $1 a spin on a slot because it was such high variance. I think it was because I was new and he was just trying to give a new player a heads up.

 

[BingoT]

I sent both thisisvegaslina and Sloto a PM about this thread.

I also sent a few Emails out about this thread.
I like to know more what they have to say on this.
~T~

 

[maphesto]

My guess is that they are waiting for the PAB.

 

[4 of a kind]

I VERY seriously doubt there is someone sitting there in the casino tracking what players are doing.KK

LMFAO...You've got to be kidding me with that comment. An affiliate with your experiences can't possibly be that naive, and your certainly not that stupid.

 

[mclee321]

The thing I have the hardest trouble believing is that someone actually won on Heavy Weight Gold.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yes, they can.
Back in March I was playing a huge welcome bonus at Orange Gamez on Winter Wonders. After playing for some time at $7.50/spin I decided to up it to the max of $18.75/spin; It was fine for about 5 or 6 spins, then I got "booted" out of the game. When I came back in the maximum was $7.50/spin.
Tried the same thing on Love and Money and got the same result!


Even with my case above, I VERY seriously doubt there is someone sitting there in the casino tracking what players are doing. I think it's much more likely to be some automated system, though why it let me do any big spins at all does cast some uncertainty on that...

However, I still find it extremely unlikely that TiV would allow bets of $50, let alone $100/spin on ANY of their slots.

KK

So, why have it at $18.75 max to start with, if a mere 6 spins scares them enough to boot a player and reset it.

It is pretty naive of Rival to do it this way, giving us PROOF POSITIVE that they boot players in order to mess with their games WHILST THEY ARE PLAYING.

This accusation was levelled at RTG, and a couple of ex employees said it was so, but other operators said it was not.

Now, we have POSITIVE PROOF that one major software does indeed do this to player, whether it really is someone sitting there monitoring, or some automated system.

If it happened to KK, this is "positive proof" as far as I am concerned, and backs up the OP's story of him being able to bet $100, and later finding he can't.

Add this to the Tradition BJ scandal, and we seem to have caught Rival with their pants down yet again. Rival at the time said they had withdrawn the ability of operators to mess with the games, but it seems they were "economical with the truth" because they clearly have some kind of system that tracks individual players, and changes their betting limits in play.

If Rival passed the card issue on to TiV, it means Sloto must have passed it to Rival, since they are fully independent, and do NOT share the Rival processor, nor support.

By passing this information to Rival, and then NOT updating it when the issue was resolved, Sloto have committed a legal libel, and Rival have passed this incorrect or incomplete information to TiV, who have acted upon it causing the player financial damage.

The initial information was a mistake, since the card did not belong to this player, but another - so has nothing to do with him.

 

[lnspin]

Any update on this

 

[gid88]

This Is Vegas owe me 80,000usd

Finally posted a PAB. Interestingly, i've received a number of emails from ex Sloto, Rival and TIV casino employees who have passed on some interesting information to me including contact emails and phone numbers of the owners of the various casinos. They aslo made statements to the effect that "manipulation of software" for "high rollers" happens frequently. Disappointing to hear this and I will NEVER GO NEAR a Rival Casino again !!!

32 Red...has been very good I must say. Efficient deposits and efficient withdrawals. Over the past 3 weeks, I must have deposited 15K with a return of 17K, so up 2K, not much of a return but the games, customer support and efficiency is quite amazing and I am impressed. Sometimes its not all about the winning (except of course when you do win BIG and the casino refuses to pay you out). It's the overall experience.....I thought Rival had turned me off online casinos completely, however 32Red has brought some confidence back.

 

[Nate]

They aslo made statements to the effect that "manipulation of software" for "high rollers" happens frequently. Disappointing to hear this and I will NEVER GO NEAR a Rival Casino again !!!

Wow... thats a serious statement. Did they elaborate on how? - Or are you referring to the Boot and Change max bet limits scenario...

Interested to know..

Nate

 

[all4greed]

Finally posted a PAB. Interestingly, i've received a number of emails from ex Sloto, Rival and TIV casino employees who have passed on some interesting information to me including contact emails and phone numbers of the owners of the various casinos. They aslo made statements to the effect that "manipulation of software" for "high rollers" happens frequently. Disappointing to hear this and I will NEVER GO NEAR a Rival Casino again !!!

So let me get this straight. Former employees emailed you to let you know there is deliberate fraud? How many ex-employees are you talking about? Where did they get the info to contact you and how were they aware of your situation?

 

[Simmo!]

Finally posted a PAB. Interestingly, i've received a number of emails from ex Sloto, Rival and TIV casino employees who have passed on some interesting information to me including contact emails and phone numbers of the owners of the various casinos. They aslo made statements to the effect that "manipulation of software" for "high rollers" happens frequently. Disappointing to hear this and I will NEVER GO NEAR a Rival Casino again.

Can you make sure that information goes into the PAB process as it's fairly serious stuff. Unfortunately it's always hard to tell if one is dealing with disgruntled ex-employees or legit claims. It's relatively frequent for disgruntled players/ex-employees (etc) to cast aspersions as a way of revenge and this should be looked into before any conclusions are drawn. I'm not suggesting you are doing this by the way, just that it needs to be looked into by Max or Bryan.

 

[takethemoney]

After reading this thread, suffice to say, I am never going near another Rival casino with my money again. I always felt they were highly suspect and as of late I had not been depositing very often at them, but this is, if true, is just the nail in the coffin for me. If they are doing what is implied here, I hope Bryan just rogues the software.

 

[Redbush54]

Finally posted a PAB. Interestingly, i've received a number of emails from ex Sloto, Rival and TIV casino employees who have passed on some interesting information to me including contact emails and phone numbers of the owners of the various casinos. They aslo made statements to the effect that "manipulation of software" for "high rollers" happens frequently. Disappointing to hear this and I will NEVER GO NEAR a Rival Casino again !!!

IMO as this is definitely important, shouldn't this be discussed after the PAB has been resolved as it might cause a derail in discussions with all parties involved? I would think the most important thing would be to get the op his/her money.

By all means the accusation of the manipulation of software is most definitely rogue behavior and should be dealt with accordingly. There is a thread here that discusses that very thing

 

[gid88]

That's correct - I should have said "alleged" former employees contacted me via email. I did not reply to any and all three of them (one allegedly from Sloto and two allegedly from TIV). Took it with a grain of salt given they are "ex", but i thought i'd pass the information onto this forum. The manipulation doesn't bother me, I don't play at these places anymore. I've received PM's from other members who "felt" that there was some manipulation going on at various Rival casinos.

 

[all4greed]

Amazing. I'm very interested in how this all plays out.

 

[gid88]

How do I follow up on a PAB ?

 

[maxd]

How do I follow up on a PAB ?

I'm the PAB guy so feel free to email me at max.drayman AT casinomeister.com or PM me Link Outdated / Removed.

If you want to complain about how your PAB is/was handled then Bryan is your man: bryan AT casinomeister.com or PM Link Outdated / Removed.

 

[The Dude]

@gid88

Welcome to the forum. If you'd like to forward the info from the ex-employees to me, that would be most helpful. It seems to be another piece of the Rival puzzle.

Max has received your PAB and should be processing it shortly. Thanks for your patience.

 

[SlotsLover]

software manipulation

That's correct - I should have said "alleged" former employees contacted me via email. I did not reply to any and all three of them (one allegedly from Sloto and two allegedly from TIV). Took it with a grain of salt given they are "ex", but i thought i'd pass the information onto this forum. The manipulation doesn't bother me, I don't play at these places anymore. I've received PM's from other members who "felt" that there was some manipulation going on at various Rival casinos.

Did they have any additional information on what "software manipulation" means? Does it mean they are resetting the RTP, or more likely, changing the limits? I've had the latter done to me by Rival and RTG in the middle of a play but I'm not sure the former is possible with a third party provider.

 

[gid88]

this is a very small extract from one of the emails I received:

"I know of the actions management has taken to prevent your account from winning. They have deliberately lowered payout percentages against your account.".

 

[takethemoney]

this is a very small extract from one of the emails I received:

"I know of the actions management has taken to prevent your account from winning. They have deliberately lowered payout percentages against your account.".

If this can be done at Rival, I have no doubt this can be done at RTG or others as well. That could explain why after I won over $45k in random jackpots at Cherry Red, I have not been able to get ahead on 102 deposits since. It makes me suspicious that they "have my number" and have lowered my global RTP across the board at all RTGs. I will never know. That's ok. Someday someone will blow all of this out of the water. I'm not risking hardly any money anymore.

 

[same_old]

I think max and Bryan would like you to send them that info privately.

They will also want you to send them the originals that you got so they can trace it form there.

I really do suggest you supply all the original content as well as being open to what Bryan and Max ask..

 

[SlotsLover]

seems odd and difficult

this is a very small extract from one of the emails I received:

"I know of the actions management has taken to prevent your account from winning. They have deliberately lowered payout percentages against your account.".

Just because a former employee said this does mean that it is true. The way that I believe your payout percentages can be lowered is by reducing the payouts. For example, three cherries may pay only 10 coins, where before it paid 15. This is very easy to check for, as one can easily look at the paytables. I have seen this for example at three card poker, where the payouts can be 1-4-5 for a straight, three of a kind, and a straight flush, respectively or as low as 1-2-3 for those hands. But this can all be seen in the paytable. On licensed softwares such as RTG, I do not believe that the operator can alter the outcomes of the cards (or reels). For example, the operator can't influence how often you get a bonus round or how often you get dealt blackjack.

I have run into many rogue casinos, but I trust rtg, rival, and microgaming completely. For them to change the outcomes would be an amazingly risky conspiracy that once uncovered, would ruin their companies. Do you think they offer a "switch" and tell this to the operator in the back room and make him promise not to tell? Seems highly unlikely to me. I think losing streaks create a lot of paranoia that can be fixed by one or two good spins. I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one rtg casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

Gambling, and slot machines especially have tremendous high variance and swings and it's very easy to believe that "changes have been made" or that the "switch has been flipped."

 

[gid88]

I think max and Bryan would like you to send them that info privately.

They will also want you to send them the originals that you got so they can trace it form there.

I really do suggest you supply all the original content as well as being open to what Bryan and Max ask..

The person who emailed me specifically asked for discretion. I'm sure the Rival guys know or will come to know who the person is as they indicated that proceedings have begun against a particular casino....no doubt Rival will find out the identity of this person in any court claim submitted.

I haven't been asked of anything from Mark or Bryan unless I have missed a posting or message.

 

[gid88]

Just because a former employee said this does mean that it is true. The way that I believe your payout percentages can be lowered is by reducing the payouts. For example, three cherries may pay only 10 coins, where before it paid 15. This is very easy to check for, as one can easily look at the paytables. I have seen this for example at three card poker, where the payouts can be 1-4-5 for a straight, three of a kind, and a straight flush, respectively or as low as 1-2-3 for those hands. But this can all be seen in the paytable. On licensed softwares such as RTG, I do not believe that the operator can alter the outcomes of the cards (or reels). For example, the operator can't influence how often you get a bonus round or how often you get dealt blackjack.

I have run into many rogue casinos, but I trust rtg, rival, and microgaming completely. For them to change the outcomes would be an amazingly risky conspiracy that once uncovered, would ruin their companies. Do you think they offer a "switch" and tell this to the operator in the back room and make him promise not to tell? Seems highly unlikely to me. I think losing streaks create a lot of paranoia that can be fixed by one or two good spins. I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one rtg casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

Gambling, and slot machines especially have tremendous high variance and swings and it's very easy to believe that "changes have been made" or that the "switch has been flipped."

I think depending on whether you're a VIP or high Roller, you "may" experience a different level of service. At one Rival casino where I was depositing and playing high amounts, I had a VIP manager and would get instant emails congratulating me if I won in excess of $5K within a period of say half an hour. As for what a former employee said to me, I agree may or may not be true regarding manipulation of odds. As for monitoring, I believe this absolutely happens - it would be silly for a casino land based or online, not to be doing this. They are in the business of making money. The extent of their response and intrusion to your gaming habits is different and varies between casinos (both online and land based). That being said and not to get off topic............TIV still owe me over 80K !!

 

[SlotsLover]

monitoring

Yes, I agree they monitor some of the players for sure. I've been called in the middle of a play and also have had my limits changed.

 

[4 of a kind]

but I trust rtg, rival, and microgaming completely.

I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one rtg casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

Gambling, and slot machines especially have tremendous high variance and swings and it's very easy to believe that "changes have been made" or that the "switch has been flipped."

I must admit that it's refreshing to see a new member here so optimistic and trusting. Within your short membership here so far and only 18 posts, you managed to share with us already your great experiences with 6 or 7 different casinos. Hope this never ends for you along with never becoming one of the millions of victims that would argue otherwise, (similar to the OP here.)

 

[deucebag]

Just because a former employee said this does mean that it is true. The way that I believe your payout percentages can be lowered is by reducing the payouts. For example, three cherries may pay only 10 coins, where before it paid 15. This is very easy to check for, as one can easily look at the paytables. I have seen this for example at three card poker, where the payouts can be 1-4-5 for a straight, three of a kind, and a straight flush, respectively or as low as 1-2-3 for those hands. But this can all be seen in the paytable. On licensed softwares such as RTG, I do not believe that the operator can alter the outcomes of the cards (or reels). For example, the operator can't influence how often you get a bonus round or how often you get dealt blackjack.

I have run into many rogue casinos, but I trust rtg, rival, and microgaming completely. For them to change the outcomes would be an amazingly risky conspiracy that once uncovered, would ruin their companies. Do you think they offer a "switch" and tell this to the operator in the back room and make him promise not to tell? Seems highly unlikely to me. I think losing streaks create a lot of paranoia that can be fixed by one or two good spins. I recently lost over 100 consecutive deposits and was stuck 5 figures on slots at one rtg casino without ever being ahead. However, in the last month I've gotten pretty much even as now I have hit a number of good spins and bonus rounds.

This is written by someone who is clearly ignorant of history of Rival, and I'm specifically thinking about the Tradition vs JHV/SamD case.

We already know for a fact that Rival operators can change game settings on the fly. This was proved and admitted in the Tradition case. We also know for a fact that RTP-settings for slots are adjustable. This would not be detected by the player, because the pay table would remain the same.

It's worth noting that KK decided to thank SlotsLover for this post. I'm sure SlotsLover has the best intentions, and is simply uninformed. KK, on the other hand, is informed. Why does KK thank a poster who he knows is uninformed? (That's a rhetorical question.)

 

[The Dude]

Hi all,

I'm just getting started on this one...

I really hate to say this, but I seriously doubt the OP will see $8 dollars worth of his $80k winnings. The writing has been on the wall for a number of months now that there are software and payment issues with Rival. They just don't seem to have the capability of paying anyone - affiliates included.

The OP PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us

 

[BingoT]

Least they know about this.

Monday, September 6, 2010 11:14 PM
Thank you for the notice and the manager is waiting for a pitch a bitch
to be submitted.

Sincerely,

Alicia