This Is Vegas Owe Me 80,000 USD

[KasinoKing]

LOL.............I want to see your solid indisputable evidence for starters on your numerous posts claiming, lol , that you have been winning for years, even month after month using basically boni, money management and discipline. BTW, your claims of money management and discipline skills are gambling fallacies. That I can prove with solid indisputable evidence (in another thread whenever you are ready).

I have play logs for all my play going back to 2004 (that's 100's!), including all my totally disastrous, busting out way before WR ones.
I posted some of the better one in my CM blogs.
Are you seriously suggesting that I sat down and just invented all that data?
I am quite happy to supply you, or post any of these logs on the forum at any time.
You start the thread - ask for any casino from any month - I'll provide the evidence.
(Note: I don't have logs for some WagerWorks & Crypto play because their software did it for me, and I lost the whole of 2007 Ladbrokes' logs when I accidentally deleted the file! )

This was proved in the Tradition vs. SamD thread. You just chose to ignore the evidence.

Please can you show me the exact posts in that thread where it was proved, or even suggested, that the game was changed during play?
I haven't looked, but I'm 99% sure you wont find it.

Do you have 'indusputable' evidence of this? I'm interested to read it (thread or column?)

Thanks

There are numerous threads going back over many years. I'm sorry but I don't have the time or the inclination to go searching for them.
I do have copies of RTG slots marketing sheets which show the different selectable RTPs.
You could ask Simmo! about WagerWorks - I'm sure he will tell you that different casinos have the same slot but set to different RTPs.


Just a general note to all; I'm not defending Rival for any other reason than I want to see fair play to all - players and casinos. I'm not saying I can prove that the casinos are NOT cheating - I really have no idea. But equally there has been no evidence that they are. I know some think that Tradition changing the paytable on Blackjack was a deliberate attempt to cheat players, but I do not. I think it was just a ludicrous cock-up by a totally incompetent casino.

Back on topic - let's just wait for the outcome of the PAB and see what we get.

In the meantime I will not be getting involved in any further derailment of this thread. If anyone wants to carry on discussions on other issues, please start a new thread, or pick up on an existing one on THAT issue.
Thanks.

KK

 

[deucebag]

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Please can you show me the exact posts in that thread where it was proved, or even suggested, that the game was changed during play?
I haven't looked, but I'm 99% sure you wont find it.

I don't know what you mean by "during play". Of course settings can be changed even if someone is playing. Do you think they have to wait untill no one is playing, and then make the change? Possibly the players playing at the time would be kicked off the game in order for the change to be made, I don't know. That's not important.

Here is the important part: the explanation given was that during the training of a new employee, blackjack payout had been changed accidentally. (I personally believe that's a half truth, and the change was deliberate, but that's my opinion.) This is evidence that changes can be made very easily.

Just a general note to all; I'm not defending Rival for any other reason than I want to see fair play to all - players and casinos. I'm not saying I can prove that the casinos are NOT cheating - I really have no idea. But equally there has been no evidence that they are.

You show a consistent pattern of you defending Rival casinos at every opportunity, in spite of overwhelming evidence of rogue behaviour. You do this quite deceptively, by throwing up smoke screens, ignoring evidence, trying to cast suspicions on wronged players without any basis in fact, thanking posters you know are writing false information when it serves your purposes as a Rival affiliate.

When I read your posts, I'm reminded of the fellow:

 

[Rhyzz]

I find it hard to believe that a game, regardless of who it is developed by, be it Playtech, Wagerworks, Microgaming, Rival etc, would ever get passed by a decent licensing authority if there was any way to alter the RTP. They are licensed as an individual game which then get released to clients, each individual licensee doesn't go through the testing process, so how one place can pay more than another I don't know...

 

[Simmo!]

I find it hard to believe that a game, regardless of who it is developed by, be it Playtech, Wagerworks, Microgaming, Rival etc, would ever get passed by a decent licensing authority if there was any way to alter the RTP. They are licensed as an individual game which then get released to clients, each individual licensee doesn't go through the testing process, so how one place can pay more than another I don't know...

Agree. But the key word is highlighted above

 

[Rhyzz]

More reason to avoid Rival?

 

[BingoT]

Obviously here I'm primarily concerned about the OP's posts __while__ the PAB is in progress.

Hey MaxD any word yet on the Pitch-A-Bitch case yet?
Thank You
~T~

 

[Casinomeister]

It's being looked into at the moment. Also, I should reiterate that the ex-employee that I referred to as to "trusting what this person says" was a person who was sorting out the OP's account at Slot'ocash. As for applying this comment to discussions on RTP and everything else - it wasn't intended to be directed towards that.

 

[Rusty]

Finally posted a PAB. Interestingly, i've received a number of emails from ex Sloto, Rival and TIV casino employees who have passed on some interesting information to me including contact emails and phone numbers of the owners of the various casinos. They aslo made statements to the effect that "manipulation of software" for "high rollers" happens frequently. Disappointing to hear this and I will NEVER GO NEAR a Rival Casino again !!!

Bold and underline for relevance and quote an extract of original post.

Hi all,

I'm just getting started on this one...

I really hate to say this, but I seriously doubt the OP will see $8 dollars worth of his $80k winnings. The writing has been on the wall for a number of months now that there are software and payment issues with Rival. They just don't seem to have the capability of paying anyone - affiliates included.

The OP PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us

It's being looked into at the moment. Also, I should reiterate that the ex-employee that I referred to as to "trusting what this person says" was a person who was sorting out the OP's account at Slot'ocash. As for applying this comment to discussions on RTP and everything else - it wasn't intended to be directed towards that.

This is a difficult situation and I want to see how things develop but I'm a little confused as to what is being investigated.
The Op quoted the source directly "software manipulation" and stated that this is just a small extract from emails, not only from this source but other ex employees.

Can you clarify what you mean by, "RTP and everything else" and if this is now being excluded from your investigation?
Or alternatively exactly what it is you are looking into at Rival?

 

[bb28]

It's being looked into at the moment. Also, I should reiterate that the ex-employee that I referred to as to "trusting what this person says" was a person who was sorting out the OP's account at Slot'ocash. As for applying this comment to discussions on RTP and everything else - it wasn't intended to be directed towards that.

Well I guess I read too much into your prior post, but I think I'm not the only one.
Thanks for the clarification.

 

[jetset]

The unfortunate thing (for the player) is that the licensing authority in this case is, I think, the Netherlands Antilles out of Curacao, which is not exactly renowned for taking up player cases against its licensees.

Perhaps if enough convincing evidence was assembled that attitude could become more cooperative and responsible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hopefully the information obtained by the player (even if from ex-employees) will prove useful in other cases, or in an expose in the interest of warning players about these operations.

 

[Rusty]

The unfortunate thing (for the player) is that the licensing authority in this case is, I think, the Netherlands Antilles out of Curacao, which is not exactly renowned for taking up player cases against its licensees.

Perhaps if enough convincing evidence was assembled that attitude could become more cooperative and responsible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hopefully the information obtained by the player (even if from ex-employees) will prove useful in other cases, or in an expose in the interest of warning players about these operations.

Dead right about Curacao, they don't even have an email address and state specifically they do not have the capacity to deal with complaints against one of their licensees.
You couldn't make it up could you?
Of course that is exactly why the Casino is licensed there.

Hopefully the information obtained by the player (even if from ex-employees) will prove useful in other cases, or in an expose in the interest of warning players about these operations.

If this sort of well backed expose is merely going to result in the odd reference to this thread when the next players is ripped off by Rival (which you are right and is probably what will happen) then I am at a loss as to what this forum is all about.
This needs serious investigation and if credence is given, by those privy to the well founded allegation of software tampering, then, IMO, not only the Casinos in question should be rogued but the software needs to be as well.
They are pretty much the same thing anyway in most cases.
Sure we can't shut the Casinos down but it neds to be made explicitly clear that Rival Casinos are to be avoided.

How long ago was it we had the scandal of the progressive jackpot anyway?

A general warning was quite rightly put out on the Topgame software for far fewer and lesser indiscretions.
That gives the magnitude of this thread some perspective.
It is a huge scandal that needs to be confronted and the truth brought to light.
Testimony from reliable sources (employees and X-employees) of software tampering.
That is before we even get to the Op having his winnings stolen.

PS

I appreciate that this is on going and all that may yet happen - just venting.

 

[BingoT]

How long ago was it we had the scandal of the progressive jackpot anyway?

Hey Rusty you talking about this one?
Irish Luck (May 2009)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/one-million-reels-bc-204-167-54-was-hit-today.31127/

 

[Rusty]

Hey Rusty you talking about this one?
Irish Luck (May 2009)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/one-million-reels-bc-204-167-54-was-hit-today.31127/

That's the one (or 3), thanks Tom.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Just a general note to all; I'm not defending Rival for any other reason than I want to see fair play to all - players and casinos. I'm not saying I can prove that the casinos are NOT cheating - I really have no idea. But equally there has been no evidence that they are. I know some think that Tradition changing the paytable on Blackjack was a deliberate attempt to cheat players, but I do not. I think it was just a ludicrous cock-up by a totally incompetent casino.

Just a general reply with contributions from the Principal in "Billy Madison",...........Mr. KK, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no comp points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Hi all,

I'm just getting started on this one...

I really hate to say this, but I seriously doubt the OP will see $8 dollars worth of his $80k winnings. The writing has been on the wall for a number of months now that there are software and payment issues with Rival. They just don't seem to have the capability of paying anyone - affiliates included.

The OP PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us

.........Rival affiliates (many) are currently being paid per this linked post below as well as other posts in the same thread.

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That said, Bryan may have meant "400 Affiliates" (who as of present have no current posted affiliate payments that I noticed but I only read page 3 of the linked thread) but I read Bryan's post above as "all Rival affiliates". Regardless, he hopefully will clarify on the possibilities and/or confusion

How I read Bryan's post is now a moot point. Per AGD, it now appears all Rival affiliates are being paid including TIV's "400 Affiliates". Link Removed (invalid URL)

Is this another Lock whereby affiliates are being paid while players are being slow paid if paid at all????? In Lock's situation, it certainly is contrary to CM's Mission Statement as I understand it. Is it also with Rival?

 

[X-Raided]

Just a general reply with contributions from the Principal in "Billy Madison",...........Mr. KK,

Mr. Nash, are you talking about this guy? LOL


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[maxd]

Posts regarding Lock affiliates have been moved here: Are Lock affiliates getting paid?.

 

[HICKORY4]

Wow Welcome to my world gid88. Basically the exact same thing happened to me with Slots of Fortune excepted my loss was only $20,000 instead of $80,000. They stated everything under the sun that I was a fraud and had mulitiple accounts and blah blah blah. None of this was true and they never paid me. And of course I had those haters out there that were saying the same things about me. I hope all turns out for you but I had those FINAL DECISION emails also and that was the FINAL DECISION. I got nothing. Sorry this happened. I do however still play at a few respectable Rivals and have continuted to get paid.

 

[Nifty29]

Wow Welcome to my world gid88. Basically the exact same thing happened to me with Slots of Fortune excepted my loss was only $20,000 instead of $80,000. They stated everything under the sun that I was a fraud and had mulitiple accounts and blah blah blah. None of this was true and they never paid me. And of course I had those haters out there that were saying the same things about me. I hope all turns out for you but I had those FINAL DECISION emails also and that was the FINAL DECISION. I got nothing. Sorry this happened. I do however still play at a few respectable Rivals and have continuted to get paid.

Ummm....didnt you PAB on this issue?

What was the result? Max?

I assume it was probably against you given you havent been paid, so Max must have had some pretty convincing evidence.

I continue to be amazed that after almost 10 years online gambling I have never had any issues with ID or confiscated winnings etc - and yet it seems to follow some people everywhere..?? (not referring to you personally btw). Maybe Im just very lucky.

And of course I had those haters out there that were saying the same things about me.

Are you taking about CM? Can you link me to where all the haters are?

 

[sticaz]

he probably meant haters at different forums, he only has 3 posts sofar(like me)

 

[footdr]

Has this person been paid yet?

unfortunately if a U.S. player win bigs it is hard to imagine how we will get played. Most casinos only allow X payout per week/month. Even then transfering funds to your bank account will take time as you don't want to set off "fireworks" by transfering more than 4999.00 per transfer. I figure if I win big it would be better to fly to the country paying me to collect my winnings, rather then waiting over a year to collect my winnings.

Maybe that is why micrograming discontinued u.s. players from playing progressives and maybe this why I have seen few u.s. playerss the past few years win "huge jackpots". I have often wondered if it is fixes so that we will not win these million plus jackpots as it would be difficult to get us paid.

Your thoughts please.

 

[maxd]

Ummm....didnt you PAB on this issue?

What was the result? Max?

Indeed there was a PAB. It was closed after a discussion with the OP. I believe he understood my reasons but I don't feel at liberty to discuss those here. If he is so inclined I have no objection.

 

[aodat2]

Considering that this is kinda a "left hanging" final decision, could we at least get a Green or Red Light on TiV? Is it safe to play there or should we stay away from RIVAL or TiV all together? That's kinda the question that would be nice to be answered.

Thanks.

 

[dcpam39]

If you do a search on This Is Vegas, i think you will find plenty of reason to stay away from this particular Rival, regardless of the outcome of this situation,
Pam

 

[gid88]

Indeed there was a PAB. It was closed after a discussion with the OP. I believe he understood my reasons but I don't feel at liberty to discuss those here. If he is so inclined I have no objection.

Hi Max, any update on my PAB ?