This Is Vegas Owe Me 80,000 USD

just my experiences

This is written by someone who is clearly ignorant of history of Rival, and I'm specifically thinking about the Tradition vs JHV/SamD case.

We already know for a fact that Rival operators can change game settings on the fly. This was proved and admitted in the Tradition case. We also know for a fact that RTP-settings for slots are adjustable. This would not be detected by the player, because the pay table would remain the same.

It's worth noting that KK decided to thank SlotsLover for this post. I'm sure SlotsLover has the best intentions, and is simply uninformed. KK, on the other hand, is informed. Why does KK thank a poster who he knows is uninformed? (That's a rhetorical question.)

I'm not saying that I have not had bad experiences with casinos or not been paid before or screwed around by casinos. All I can say is that in my experiences, it does not appear to me that the particular softwares in question have cheated me. Now, there is currently one rival that is trying to cheat me and withholding payments even though I have met the requirement, but that's not central to the cheating software issue.

Regarding the RTP, I believe that would be adjusted through the paytable and not through influencing third party software. That's just my opinion.

Regarding my positive posts, I try to deal with highly rated casinos and generally feel I have been treated fairly by most casinos and that many posts on this forum are very critical of these casinos that I have had positive experiences with.

I'm going to read up on the tradition vs. rival case now, thanks for the heads up.
 
Are Rival licensed by anyone? Who do TiV report in to? I seriously doubt that any software that has the ability to alter RTP is licensed by any decent jurisdiction

*Edit... Curacao...should have known!
 
It's worth noting that KK decided to thank SlotsLover for this post. I'm sure SlotsLover has the best intentions, and is simply uninformed. KK, on the other hand, is informed. Why does KK thank a poster who he knows is uninformed? (That's a rhetorical question.)
It's worth noting that I thanked his post because it was a balanced view and I totally agree with everything he said.
I have been playing online casinos virtually daily (including Rivals of course) for over 9 years and I have never seen any evidence of operators "changing RTPs on the fly" as proposed by some people here.
I'm sorry if some people have different opinions - nothing I can do about that.

KK
 
Curacao - Netherland Antilles

I have recently been conducting a survey of remote gambling license jurisdictions, asking some very specific questions.
More on this soon but I did not contact Curacao because they are the only jurisdiction in my survey list that was not contactable by email! (Welcome to 21st century technology Curacao)

Much worse though is not only the amateurish presentation of their site (many others are nearly as bad) but the following statement they make;

Currently, CIGA does not have the capacity to handle player complaints against members, however all such complaints will be passed on to the appropriate member; who will be expected to respond in a timely manner. Please contact the member company BEFORE bringing any complaint to the attention of CIGA, to allow them the opportunity to resolve the matter privately initially.


That is truly :lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:

So what is the F'ing point of them again?

Sorry for minor derail of this fascinating thread.
 
I have been emailed and PMed for comment by two (concerned) members.

Seems like my comments on all the relevant subjects of this thread started in early 2008 and basically never ceased......Do not like seeing anyone beat out of a dime, but $80K is a drop in the bucket if you get my drift.



I once posted that it seemed unusual for John Wright (who I have forgiven personally but that is it) to be both the casino and affiliate manager of TIV. I suspected he actually owned and/or still owns (per se) TIV along with eventually other casinos. This may indirectly have created some of the backlash with his former colleagues.

The above is speculative but should not be hard for Bryan to elaborate on based on his Rival owner contact. The ownership of Rival as Jet and I among others have pursued is a complicated clusterfuck with the intent to deceive so who knows if Bryan is being misled!

Perhaps, just coincidence that I had continually found flaws in the Rival (i.e. BJ) software (long before JHV:thumbsup:) which as recently as the first of this year I was asked about via PM and my reply is spot on again:mad:.However, I can/could not win that argument here ever as has been proven time and time again. The first 10 pages or so of The English Harbour thread or even the initial pages of The Absolute Poker thread (see Lotso's foolishness) assisted by the 2+2 forum shows most of us including moi, are not skilled enough to persist and overcome the many obvious agenda-driven fanatical obstacles. Obviously, I am no, TheLawnet or PokerAddict et al who somehow despite the know nothing agenda driven fanatics did what I can not.......Cryptic, conspirator accusations suit agendas!

SIDENOTE: The King continues to violate "forum rules" despite prior posts (granted he could have just missed those posts, lol but he seems to know the forum rules as demonstrated in many of his posts and he finally did remove Orange Gamez).

His selective memory and defense of TIV's and Rival's payment history and track record obviously ignores "Rival's designed fraudulent schemes" aka intent including those payment delays (that the King acknowledges as all the while he maintains he does not know of one player that is/was ever owed that has not been paid per the forums as Rivals et al ignore their own payment terms with no intent et al. Perhaps, the "no intent" to delay payment is fair game to the King) in order to hopefully avoid payment to players. Caveat Emptor!!

Paraphrasing, anyone The King is aware of not being paid has to be a proven fraudster, cheat ,etc.. Really????
 
Hi all,

The OP PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us :rolleyes:

Wow, just wow! I don't think I'm reading more into that comment than I am, am I? :eek:

Seems like my comments on all the relevant subjects of this thread started in early 2008 and basically never ceased......Do not like seeing anyone beat out of a dime, but $80K is a drop in the bucket if you get my drift.

I get it Nash. :cool:


I once posted that it seemed unusual for John Wright (who I have forgiven personally but that is it) to be both the casino and affiliate manager of TIV. I suspected he actually owned and/or still owns (per se) TIV along with eventually other casinos. This may indirectly have created some of the backlash with his former colleagues.

The above is speculative but should not be hard for Bryan to elaborate on based on his Rival owner contact. The ownership of Rival as Jet and I among others have pursued is a complicated clusterfuck with the intent to deceive so who knows if Bryan is being misled!

It's gonna be interesting to hear the rest of this story, that is if we do. I hope we get to hear it ALL.
 
Ignoring, for the moment, the communication from 'ex-employee'...

let's just look at some of the things we know about Rival software...

We have players posting left and right about slow/no pay, players being denied legitimate wins for flaky reasons, casinos that are folding and being handed over to... who? Rival? Also, we see a software that allows (allowed? Rival said they fixed it) the casino operator to change BJ payouts without changing the felt or the game rules, and that allows the operators to change game max bet while players are playing (experienced this more than once, myself).

Now... in my way of thinking... any software that allows the operator to fiddle with the games is shoddy, unsecure, and untrustworthy. As I think I asked in another thread... what ELSE is the operator able to fiddle with? .... we don't know for sure.

All I know for sure is... my money is staying in my pocket....
 
Hi all,

I'm just getting started on this one...

I really hate to say this, but I seriously doubt the OP will see $8 dollars worth of his $80k winnings. The writing has been on the wall for a number of months now that there are software and payment issues with Rival. They just don't seem to have the capability of paying anyone - affiliates included.

The OP PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us :rolleyes:

Casinomeister, from the sounds of your posting, it seems as though I should not be investing further valuable time in chasing this. Is that pretty much the jist of things from your point of view ? If so and you strongly believe that I would end up with less that 0.001% of what TIV owe me then i'm truly done and won't chase this further.....Congrats Rival, another casino of yours has managed to weasel out of paying a legitimate large win...I guess the longer you ignore requests, emails, bad pr, it will eventually go away..great business ethics and management......to the owners of Rival, *snip*, well you guys should know better...i would think that you're too busy addressing complaint emails flooding into your email box.
 
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over 9 years and I have never seen any evidence of operators "changing RTPs on the fly" as proposed by some people here.
I'm sorry if some people have different opinions - nothing I can do about that.

There are facts, and there are opinions.

Fact: game rules and payouts for blackjack can be changed on the fly, on Rival software

Fact: Rival RTPs are adjustable

Fact: Reputable (according to Casinomeister) ex-employees at Rival casinos say operators manipulate game settings for high rollers at the back end.

Opinion: Knowing these facts, you would have to be a sh***, to say that you believe Rival RTPs are not adjustable "on the fly".
 
There are facts, and there are opinions.

Fact: game rules and payouts for blackjack can be changed on the fly, on Rival software

Fact: Rival RTPs are adjustable
I never said Rival RTPs can't be changed - though I seriously doubt they can be done "on the fly" i.e. while a customer is actually playing.
I also think it's very unlikely that the RTPs on their slots can be changed at all.
(With one possible exception, before Maphesto leaps in! :p)
We know this can be done on other softwares though; RTG and Wagerworks for sure have different selectable RTPs on their slots, and RTG can change the RTP of their Blackjack by adjusting the number of decks, and on Video Poker through their pay-tables.

If you have solid, indisputable evidence that Rival can change the RTP on games during play I think you should bring it out into the open as I'm sure many people, including myself, would find it very interesting reading!
Thanks.

KK
 
I never said Rival RTPs can't be changed - though I seriously doubt they can be done "on the fly" i.e. while a customer is actually playing.
I also think it's very unlikely that the RTPs on their slots can be changed at all.
(With one possible exception, before Maphesto leaps in! :p)
We know this can be done on other softwares though; RTG and Wagerworks for sure have different selectable RTPs on their slots, and RTG can change the RTP of their Blackjack by adjusting the number of decks, and on Video Poker through their pay-tables.

If you have solid, indisputable evidence that Rival can change the RTP on games during play I think you should bring it out into the open as I'm sure many people, including myself, would find it very interesting reading!
Thanks.

KK
LOL.............I want to see your solid indisputable evidence for starters on your numerous posts claiming, lol , that you have been winning for years, even month after month using basically boni, money management and discipline. BTW, your claims of money management and discipline skills are gambling fallacies. That I can prove with solid indisputable evidence (in another thread whenever you are ready).

Back OT, your on-going schtick on Rival is a shameful injustice. At a minimum you are aiding and abetting what has been a designed fraudulent online gambling operation for years that victimized the OP, myself, possible other high-rollers, among others it appears.
 
If you have solid, indisputable evidence that Rival can change the RTP on games during play I think you should bring it out into the open as I'm sure many people, including myself, would find it very interesting reading!
Thanks.

This was proved in the Tradition vs. SamD thread. You just chose to ignore the evidence.
 
This was proved in the Tradition vs. SamD thread. You just chose to ignore the evidence.
Blackjack RTP could not even be determined for months due to the split button malfunction. Deliberate, hell yes as all Rival BJ hand histories should have been audited and some type of fair, lol, compensation offered to the effected Rival players.

Of course as I anticipated, as far as Rival was concerned the theft of funds from BJ players never occurred even after John Wright admits I was correct and the problem prolly existed from Day One afaik.

All explained here!! https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...inos-are-rogue-all-evidence-shown-here.37010/
 
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Casinomeister, from the sounds of your posting, it seems as though I should not be investing further valuable time in chasing this. Is that pretty much the jist of things from your point of view ? If so and you strongly believe that I would end up with less that 0.001% of what TIV owe me then i'm truly done and won't chase this further.....Congrats Rival, another casino of yours has managed to weasel out of paying a legitimate large win...I guess the longer you ignore requests, emails, bad pr, it will eventually go away..great business ethics and management......to the owners of Rival, *snip*, well you guys should know better...i would think that you're too busy addressing complaint emails flooding into your email box.

Not sure you should give up so easily, not with that sort of money at stake.

Also fairly certain Casinomeister wont give up as easily if your case is proven and at the very least pursuing this will help others avoid such casinos, all publicity helps.

But like i say, thats if your case is proven.
 
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Blackjack RTP could not even be determined for months due to the split button malfunction. Deliberate, hell yes as all Rival BJ hand histories should have been audited and some type of fair, lol, compensation offered to the effected Rival players.

Of course as I anticipated, as far as Rival was concerned the theft of funds from BJ players never occurred even after John Wright admits I was correct and the problem prolly existed from Day One afaik.

All explained here!! https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...inos-are-rogue-all-evidence-shown-here.37010/

Hey Nash, I missed that thread for some reason.
I read your post and a few others and as I see it is possible that this was a programming error (incorrect hit box specification) though it is equally possible it was done deliberately (It is a hell of an oversight as setting a button hitbox is a very simple task)
You are dead right though, Rival should absolutely have compensated all losing hands where this error occurred or may have occurred - the fact they did not and went into denial mode is very much the modus operandi for Rival though.
I said a long time I ago I wouldn't touch them with a 10' bargepole along with quite a few others here (notably Pinababy) and everything I have seen since has only confirmed my misgivings.

Still all the past has mostly been swept under the carpet (The same one you keep kicking and turning over.:thumbsup:) and I think I will take a step back andsee what comes of these apparently very well founded allegations that the Rival software can and has been tampered with by various Casinos.
 
Hi all,

I'm just getting started on this one...

I really hate to say this, but I seriously doubt the OP will see $8 dollars worth of his $80k winnings. The writing has been on the wall for a number of months now that there are software and payment issues with Rival. They just don't seem to have the capability of paying anyone - affiliates included
The OP PMd me some of what he has, and I can clearly state that I know this "ex-employee" and would trust what this person is saying. Looks like a long day ahead of us :rolleyes:
:confused::confused:.........Rival affiliates (many) are currently being paid per this linked post below as well as other posts in the same thread.:mad::mad::mad:

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That said, Bryan may have meant "400 Affiliates" (who as of present have no current posted affiliate payments that I noticed but I only read page 3 of the linked thread) but I read Bryan's post above as "all Rival affiliates". Regardless, he hopefully will clarify on the possibilities and/or confusion:what::)

Bryan, can you say who logged in y-day to the forum using the account name "thisisvegas"? Of course, this was John's before he switched to another account name for sure (RBJ) and possibly another thereafter, all in good standing at the time. I realize "thisisvegas" is currently a dormant account and have no clue of what can be accessed on the forum as a dormant account. Nevertheless, would like to know who accessed the account y-day if possible and kosher!
 
Just an observation:

Notice how handily a rep from TIV has come to address this issue? ;)
They are really "johnny on the spot" protecting their useless reputation, huh?
 
Hey Nash, I missed that thread for some reason.
I read your post and a few others and as I see it is possible that this was a programming error (incorrect hit box specification) though it is equally possible it was done deliberately (It is a hell of an oversight as setting a button hitbox is a very simple task)
You are dead right though, Rival should absolutely have compensated all losing hands where this error occurred or may have occurred - the fact they did not and went into denial mode is very much the modus operandi for Rival though.
I said a long time I ago I wouldn't touch them with a 10' bargepole along with quite a few others here (notably Pinababy) and everything I have seen since has only confirmed my misgivings.

Still all the past has mostly been swept under the carpet (The same one you keep kicking and turning over.:thumbsup:) and I think I will take a step back andsee what comes of these apparently very well founded allegations that the Rival software can and has been tampered with by various Casinos.
Great post Rusty...........You get it:)...........Thanks for the thumbs up, much appreciated.........I ceased all my Rival play in Jan. 2009 (one exception to get some current BJ info. one year later in Jan.2010 only at a non-WL) for many Rival related reasons but there is a post here somewhere that I summarized all---> I no longer had any reason to TRUST Rival (based on facts et al)........paraphrasing your statement Rusty, not a damn thing has changed.......except for the worse it appears!!
 
... Bryan, can you say who logged in y-day to the forum using the account name "thisisvegas"?

FYI, Bryan has some family issues that are going to take him out of the loop for a few days. He should be back as normal early next week.
 
We've received a bunch of information related to gid88's case. Suffice it to say that there's a lot more to this issue than has been offered by the OP. [strike]I'm digesting the material now and will determine how to handle the PAB, and this thread, accordingly.[/strike]

Scratch that. Based on the nature of the evidence I've seen and the fact that Bryan has already been looking into this I think it best that we wait for him to return in a few days to make the final decisions here.

I will say this though, the OP (gid88), needs to have another look at the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ:
We reserve the right to discard any PAB where that same issue has been posted to the boards. This relates to threads started by, or contributions to other threads by, the person who filed the PAB. This applies equally to posts made before or after the PAB was filed.

Obviously here I'm primarily concerned about the OP's posts __while__ the PAB is in progress.
 
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We know this can be done on other softwares though; RTG and Wagerworks for sure have different selectable RTPs on their slots, and RTG can change the RTP of their Blackjack by adjusting the number of decks, and on Video Poker through their pay-tables.

KK


Do you have 'indusputable' evidence of this? I'm interested to read it (thread or column?)

Thanks
 

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