The joke that is Betfair.

As much as i think you are right about the game, I can't stand people who play the racism card just because they don't get their own way.
Wheres the screenshot of the live chat of them being racist to you?
 
Get lost and next time gamble only when you have full mental capacity

I see you are a newbie at Casinomeister so I'll assume you haven't had time to familiarize yourself with the Posting Rules. Please take the time because (a) it's part of your responsibility as a forum member and (b) you're in violation of those rules (see 1.1, 1.14, and 1.18). In other words another comment like the above will likely see you introduced to the ban hammer. :axeman:
 
As much as i think you are right about the game, I can't stand people who play the racism card just because they don't get their own way.
Wheres the screenshot of the live chat of them being racist to you?


Colin,

Consider this. You lost money from your bank account. The bank says you purposely gave your card and PIN to someone else. You know for a fact that this excuse was used because of your background.

What would you do?

Of course, the first course of action would be to close you account and have no further dealings with them. After that?


No screenshot of chat. But a cut-and-paste of the the entire Live Chat conversation. I will publish in due course.

When you remove the impossibles, all that remain, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.


Edit:

P.S. I know exactly what I am talking about. My ability to suss ppl out is a key strength of my success, both in consulting and in industry. This is because, as a 'mongrel', I am 'sensitive' and easily pick up 'vibes', ably assisted by fluency in a number of languages. Lol. many a time I have heard myself being the butt of jokes, they not realising that I spoke the local language.
 
Casino problem aside playing the racist card is pathetic. IM sorry but I dont believe it for one minute!

If they were being racist show proof ?

It is a pretty serious allegation.

My take its all in your head. Many up face the problem what ever it is and stop hiding behind the totally anal excuse
that somehow a company as big as betfair will discriminate based on a name!
 
Colin,

Consider this. You lost money from your bank account. The bank says you purposely gave your card and PIN to someone else. You know for a fact that this excuse was used because of your background.

What would you do?

Of course, the first course of action would be to close you account and have no further dealings with them. After that?


No screenshot of chat. But a cut-and-paste of the the entire Live Chat conversation. I will publish in due course.

When you remove the impossibles, all that remain, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

But thats not what happened, and I can assure you 100% what I wouldn't do would be post on a forum saying someone is racist because I didn't get the answer I wanted.
 
A quick google search states that the average UK household spend on gaming is £166 a year. Let's call it £200. Betfair (BF) will confirm that I easily spend £400 a month, a round figure, as one City contract is £800 a day, so half a day's work. In essence, I spend some 25 times the average. £400 is conservative, it can be of a different order of magnitude.

I think most in my social/professional circle are the same. If I can convince them to leave BF - and convince just 10 - that's a loss of revenue equaling 250 people spending the average.

BF lost the minute they gave me BS excuses, which I maintain, was tinged with racial prejudice.


It is now clear to me. Only online sportsbook is OK.
 
A quick google search states that the average UK household spend on gaming is £166 a year. Let's call it £200. Betfair (BF) will confirm that I easily spend £400 a month, a round figure, as one City contract is £800 a day, so half a day's work. In essence, I spend some 25 times the average. £400 is conservative, it can be of a different order of magnitude.

I think most in my social/professional circle are the same. If I can convince them to leave BF - and convince just 10 - that's a loss of revenue equaling 250 people spending the average.

BF lost the minute they gave me BS excuses, which I maintain, was tinged with racial prejudice.


It is now clear to me. Only online sportsbook is OK.

Even this isn't all that much. The average is heavily skewed because of all the non gamblers and those who might only bet on the Grand national or buy the odd lottery ticket or scratchcard are included. It may not be enough to get yourself a dedicated VIP host, who unlike the regular CS are usually better trained, and also trained to care far more about causing a VIP high rolling customer to be lost to the competition.

Places like Betfair are primarily aimed at the sports bettor, and the casino is something of a sideline. If you want a better casino experience, it's best to sign up somewhere that is primarily a casino, perhaps with a sideline in sports betting.

For example, a Microgaming casino version of this game would NEVER have folded such a hand just because there was a disconnection, it would have been stored half played until you next logged in. The length of time such an incomplete bet is stored with Microgaming is pretty much until it is resolved, or the account is closed and wiped from the servers. I have sometimes found long stored bets from months ago who's incomplete state has been down to a disconnection after I had sent the bet, but before the client told me it had even been accepted - making me think I didn't manage to make it.

If anything, the disconnection argument may simply be their way of backing down from their initial assumption that you had deliberately folded, something merely said to humour you even though they still believe you did fold, hence why the disconnection excuse is just as bizarre as the "you folded" one from earlier.

Unfortunately, being Betfair they probably won't come along to respond to the allegation that it's standard for their software to fold such hands simply because there is a disconnection, but this claim itself is yet another reason to avoid their casino - it folds winning but incomplete bets whenever the internet has a wobble.

If you played this bet from the UK, you would be covered by their UK licence, and could even force them to explain this sorry tale in court.
 
1.
A "random internet nobody" who can provide screenshots and Live Chat messages.

2.
Having moved into contracting, I have the mental capacity to earn a 4-figure daily rate... on multiple contracts.

3.
Of course it's prejudice. What else could it be? LOL! "folded" changed to "internet connection error"? If my name was John Doe, they'd investigate. properly.

4.
This was not a promotion. I have been with Betfair for years.

5.
Who loses? They do! I enjoy a game and a punt. I can afford to. Betfair knows this. They now lose my custom.

6.
Yes! Again, they were racially prejudiced. If it was John Doe, they would have investigated and when I called (Live Chat and e-mail yielded nothing), even the person on the other end felt that it was really odd - lol - to "fold with Full House" - and put down a note on my account to have it looked at. But I was having none of it. The Live Chat person was an a-hole. In my line of work, if you treat customers so horribly, even when it can be proved that it was Betfair's fault (c'mon! fold? then disconnected? why can't resume if disconnected?), you will readily lose clients.

7.
As mentioned by someone, Betfair is a rogue casino.

Sounds like you have a real chip on your shoulder. You can't prove a negative.
Show me the live chat where you were called a 'stupid Asian'?
The only thing that pisses me off more than racists are those whom assume racism where none has been shown to exist.

Or did Nick Griffin get a job on Betfair CS when he lost his MEP seat last year?

If there's a game error then the terms will state the bet is void anyway.
 
Betfair = BAD NEWS
We all know that here. :)
I wouldn't deposit 1 penny there.

But for some reason I think OP is not entirely straight forward either.
Coming on here bragging about his 4 figure deals,the money he makes.
Well for you!!!! So you can easily take the missed winnings from this hand.
What's all the fuss about.

You say you are a smart guy.
Well then I suggest,take your loss and never deposit a penny there anymore. :thumbsup:
That would be smart.
 
Irrespective of whom the OP might be, a disconnection should NOT cause a player to lose an in-play guaranteed winning wager. Normally, the game state is saved and can be continued from where play left off. This is basic good practice since the internet is inherently unstable, and the occasional disconnection is inevitable. In a player vs casino situation, there is no excuse for not resuming other than having software from the 1990's. An acceptable alternative would be to use "basic strategy" to complete a game on behalf of the player, which in this case would not be to "fold".

I play Microgaming, and the NORM with this software has always been to preserve the game state and allow completion after reconnection, and the original software WAS written in the 1990's.

Bumbling and incompetent CS at Betfair has lead to the current escalation where the OP feels they are being mocked by initially being told they had chosen to fold, and this has been taken as a racist slur as the alternative would be that the CS agent was stupid enough to accept that one of it's players would choose to fold such a hand rather than accept the possibility that Betfair's own software had malfunctioned and needed investigation.

It's not the first time that failure to invest in adequate CS has made a casino look stupid, as from the players' point of view the CS agent speaks for the company, so if a CS agent comes out with some remark that shows a lack of understanding of even the basics of the games they offer, it reflects that lack of understanding off the company as a whole.

Returning the stake is an insult. They should manually restore the game and play it through using basic strategy on behalf of the player, and this should be the outcome of the wager. They should then fix whatever bug in this game can't handle disconnections properly.

I can almost 100 % guarantee that your hand isnt played on a bf casino disconnection

Anyone who has a bf account can they please try it out?, because im sure most if not all do the above ,saving your hand

To dunover

bf can just show a disconnection and prove that your hand is saved

OP made a terrible decision and wants his money, thinking that posting on here will somehow get it back

Learn to gamble properly, or play 100% luck games
 
Hilarious. The Op giving it big time with their £10 table stakes (big whoop) and then we find its a duplicate account to give another self-aggrandising non-sensical rant about a bookmaker. I don't think gambling agrees with you my friend, maybe take up another hobby.

"...you cannot regulate human behaviour". Oh the irony;)

You have to show him respect, he had a super important conference call with singapore!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Just reading through the recent posts

What I was going to say has already been said:
VWM: "...a disconnection should NOT cause a player to lose an in-play guaranteed winning wager. Normally, the game state is saved and can be continued from where play left off."

ricky: "Anyone who has a bf account can they please try it out?, because im sure most if not all do the above ,saving your hand"
I will add to what Ricky said; if Betfair's Casino Hold Em acted like that, it's likely that we would have heard about it by now.
I doubt Betfair could operate properly if their software acted like that because it would cause too many complaints.
What OP is saying is too unlikely to be true.
 
Their is nothing rogue about Betfair, been using them for years. One of safest betting/casino site to use on the net.

As for thread starter, claiming racism was when i stopped reading your comments.
 
Admin note: accounts merged

Just an admin note that the two accounts Unhappy_Player into Non_Partisan_77 have been merged into the OP's account.
 

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