The Day Has arrived for The UK

[geordiecolin]

As much as I like you gambling-wise I despise your stance regarding the EU.

English and Welsh fear mongered peasants have made their choice. It was a good time with you it will be a better time without you.

Germany would take that stance because Germany benefit from being in the EU more than anyone

 

[mimi26]

As much as I like you gambling-wise I despise your stance regarding the EU.

English and Welsh fear mongered peasants have made their choice. It was a good time with you it will be a better time without you.

EH? I aint no peasant and I am had no 'fear' of staying in the EU, People are capable of viewing the world around them without being persuaded by the media, its all about how your life is it was a very personal choice for me and one that divided our household and I for one think its an excellent result. I am sorry that Brussels will no longer be garnished with our millions but the people have spoken and I predict a number of others will follow

 

[geordiecolin]

As much as I like you gambling-wise I despise your stance regarding the EU.

English and Welsh fear mongered peasants have made their choice. It was a good time with you it will be a better time without you.

I second that hedgehok!

And this is just the beginning:

"The British pound crashed to a 31-year-low and stock market futures plunged. Global markets are tumbling.

Economist Samuel Tombs characterized the event as “an act of economic self-harm with global ramifications."

But what happened after Black Wednesday when the markets crashed spectacularly and the doom mongers said we where in deep shit? The economy grew and grew for years and performed better than most Counties in the World.
This was bound to happen in the short term.

 

[goatwack]

As much as I like you gambling-wise I despise your stance regarding the EU.

English and Welsh fear mongered peasants have made their choice. It was a good time with you it will be a better time without you.

C'mon Hedgehok, you know better than to make statements like that. To state that it was peasants that made this choice is quite offensive and generalized. I voted out, does that make me a peasant?

More likely scenario is that many Brits have had enough of deaf, passive politicians and have seen negative changes on their doorstep. And yes, that includes the swarm of free-moving illegal immigration, I mean 'migration' (!) that has had people feeling pissed off.

Brits have had a chance to vote for themselves and it has involved many decent, honest citizens that may not have great affluence and hide in their Kennington pad or bury their head in the sand.

And let's not forget that this was a choice for Britain first and foremost, and then the EU. Other member nations have believed they can tell us how to run this country, coupled with a sense of entitlement and a dash of presumption. We're not just here to make Merkel feel better about herself.

On the plus side, I'll let your comments slide because you like Sonic the Hedgehog

 

[maxd]

@ Maxd & PaaskeDKnowUK (and anyone else in the same boat): Get your application for British Citizenship in now, just in case.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way, you're not free to apply whenever you like. In my case, holder of an EU "Right To Remain" Residence Card I (previously) had to wait for the card to approach its expiry date before I could apply for Citizenship. Who knows what the Brexit rules will be.

I believe that you Scots ( I know your not a Scot) are in for a very bumpy ride because although the Scot's Nationals have been bleating on about wanting to leave they actually know they can not afford to do so. They have just been using the threat of it in order to get as much out of the UK as possible.

From what I've seen and heard since arriving in Scotland I would have to say that you seriously misunderstand the situation here. A look at the voting map from last night would, I think, strongly support that statement. But hey, time will tell.

 

[dunover]

C'mon Hedgehok, you know better than to make statements like that. To state that it was peasants that made this choice is quite offensive and generalized. I voted out, does that make me a peasant?

More likely scenario is that many Brits have had enough of deaf, passive politicians and have seen negative changes on their doorstep. And yes, that includes the swarm of free-moving illegal immigration, I mean 'migration' (!) that has had people feeling pissed off.

Brits have had a chance to vote for themselves and it has involved many decent, honest citizens that may not have great affluence and hide in their Kennington pad or bury their head in the sand.

And let's not forget that this was a choice for Britain first and foremost, and then the EU. Other member nations have believed they can tell us how to run this country, coupled with a sense of entitlement and a dash of presumption. We're not just here to make Merkel feel better about herself.

On the plus side, I'll let your comments slide because you like Sonic the Hedgehog

A spiritual WTG.....

It's a German philosophy so let Hedgehok have his moment of pique while us 'peasants' drive our horses and carts to the local inn to imbibe the local mead...

The only 'fear mongering' was the remain side predicting apocalypse if we left, and spending millions of taxpayers' pounds telling us so with propaganda leaflets in the mail. Then the media, the employers, the unions and every z-list nonentity joining in too. Big mistake us Brits do NOT like being told what to do!! When I look back on the concerted efforts made to make us remain, I am even more surprised at the outcome. I got it right (if you read further back) when I said 52-48% - but for the other side!!

 

[jetset]

Wow! I did not see this one coming, but my surprise is clearly not exclusive.

I've just been watching the prime minister's address on the issue and I think he's doing the right and responsible thing to first stabilise the situation and then bow out of leadership, leaving it to a presumably exit-committed future leader to initiate the departure from the EU once a handover is completed in October.

And Max, there was a comment in the Cameron address that should give you comfort...can't remember the exact words but it indicated that folks already legally settled and working in the UK should not be disturbed.

The early panic on the pound and the LSE (and internationally for that matter) will imo subside as everyone gets used to the idea of brexit and starts to think logically. Britain still has an awful lot going for it and has always been resilient.

But this result has once again illustrated how wrong bookies and polls can be.

 

[hedgehok]

C'mon Hedgehok, you know better than to make statements like that. To state that it was peasants that made this choice is quite offensive and generalized. I voted out, does that make me a peasant?

More likely scenario is that many Brits have had enough of deaf, passive politicians and have seen negative changes on their doorstep. And yes, that includes the swarm of free-moving illegal immigration, I mean 'migration' (!) that has had people feeling pissed off.

Brits have had a chance to vote for themselves and it has involved many decent, honest citizens that may not have great affluence and hide in their Kennington pad or bury their head in the sand.

And let's not forget that this was a choice for Britain first and foremost, and then the EU. Other member nations have believed they can tell us how to run this country, coupled with a sense of entitlement and a dash of presumption. We're not just here to make Merkel feel better about herself.

On the plus side, I'll let your comments slide because you like Sonic the Hedgehog

Fair enough. Sorry for my unreflected rant before my morning coffee.

What I always ask myself is what these notions about the evil Merkel and those other countries that tell you how to run your country are all about. I don't say that the EU as an organisation is the pride of (political and economic) creation. Though isn't it a great thing when I can choose to go to say Sweden or Poland and create my own business there or strive for a better standard of living as an EU citizen? Isn't the Polish worker the same value than the British worker? Of course this has to be within reason but most of the comments I've read here are essentially "Britain first and British first".

I don't deny that some people are worse off with the EU but all in all it creates wealth - the task is to distribute this wealth fairly. Another factor is that Europe gets more and more marginalised by other big players (US, China) and a Brexit is a step in the complete wrong direction IMHO. I rather want to have Britain as part of a big European family than an outsider on your island.
I certainly don't agree with the political establishment in Brussels in all points but to LEAVE entirely? Blimey...

But what we can agree on is the fact that there is no easy solution to fight all the issues we currently face. I only think it's a very selfish way to think that leaving is the way to go.
A very sad day for Europe.

 

[dunover]

Fair enough. Sorry for my unreflected rant before my morning coffee.

What I always ask myself is what these notions about the evil Merkel and those other countries that tell you how to run your country are all about. I don't say that the EU as an organisation is the pride of (political and economic) creation. Though isn't it a great thing when I can choose to go to say Sweden or Poland and create my own business there or strive for a better standard of living as an EU citizen? Isn't the Polish worker the same value than the British worker? Of course this has to be within reason but most of the comments I've read here are essentially "Britain first and British first".

I don't deny that some people are worse off with the EU but all in all it creates wealth - the task is to distribute this wealth fairly. Another factor is that Europe gets more and more marginalised by other big players (US, China) and a Brexit is a step in the complete wrong direction IMHO. I rather want to have Britain as part of a big European family than an outsider on your island.
I certainly don't agree with the political establishment in Brussels in all points but to LEAVE entirely? Blimey...

But what we can agree on is the fact that there is no easy solution to fight all the issues we currently face. I only think it's a very selfish way to think that leaving is the way to go.
A very sad day for Europe.

You've just summed up the Marxist dialectic in one line. That's why I called it the E-USSR. A philosophy of patriarchal socialism. A failed philosophy if there ever was one. With 100% say in our own house we have independence. With 1/28 of the say in ours and another 27 houses we don't even live in, we don't.

 

[geordiecolin]

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way, you're not free to apply whenever you like. In my case, holder of an EU "Right To Remain" Residence Card I (previously) had to wait for the card to approach its expiry date before I could apply for Citizenship. Who knows what the Brexit rules will be.



From what I've seen and heard since arriving in Scotland I would have to say that you seriously misunderstand the situation here. A look at the voting map from last night would, I think, strongly support that statement. But hey, time will tell.

Ok. Let us see how Sturgeon plays her cards. I believe that Scotland are not financially ready to join the EU. I think the timing for joining is the worst possible yet the Scots Nat's seem to have committed to seeking joining it.

The UK leaving is the end of the EU as far as I can see it

 

[maxd]

And Max, there was a comment in the Cameron address that should give you comfort...can't remember the exact words but it indicated that folks already legally settled and working in the UK should not be disturbed.

Thanks, but he is about to hand the reins over, presumably to BoJo, and that is not a comforting prospect. I believe the future of legal non-nationals (like me) currently in the UK is very much TBD. I think it all depends on who bangs the "anti immigrant" drum in the coming months and how hard they go at it. It might be no big deal, but there's more than a little reason to worry that it might just as easily go very badly indeed.

TBH I'm in a much better situation than most in that my wife is a UK citizen, we've been married for almost 20 years, and I'm from a Commonwealth country (in the past that meant something). The bottom line is that if I get screwed over on this I'm not going to be alone, there's a lot of people here with far fewer rights and claims than I. Not that that will matter much if I'm one of those that has to queue up on expulsion day, should that ever come to pass.

... With 100% say in our own house we have independence. With 1/28 of the say in ours and another 27 houses we don't even live in, we don't.

"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. ..." Nationalistic rhetoric has proven debilitating to many a country in the past. Let's hope England hasn't just poisoned their own chalice.

 

[geordiecolin]

A spiritual WTG.....

It's a German philosophy so let Hedgehok have his moment of pique while us 'peasants' drive our horses and carts to the local inn to imbibe the local mead...

The only 'fear mongering' was the remain side predicting apocalypse if we left, and spending millions of taxpayers' pounds telling us so with propaganda leaflets in the mail. Then the media, the employers, the unions and every z-list nonentity joining in too. Big mistake us Brits do NOT like being told what to do!! When I look back on the concerted efforts made to make us remain, I am even more surprised at the outcome. I got it right (if you read further back) when I said 52-48% - but for the other side!!

Will there be busty wenches at this Inn?
I feel very proud of the UK for the first time since I swallowed the bollix that we were the greatest Country in the world during school assembly.
Oh, and I got it right after the first 3 results came in so Na na na na na

 

[maxd]

The UK leaving is the end of the EU as far as I can see it

That seems to be a fairly common belief in the UK today. I reckon there are rough 400 million Europeans whose opinion -- as of today -- matters a whole lot more, on that subject at least.

As to Scotland leaving ... meh, we'll see what we see. The Scottish are not the gormless children that many south of the border seem to think they are.

 

[mimi26]

Max you will be fine, I understand your worry but I would bet my house on it, No leader however right wing will expel people from other nations who are here working and contributing to our system its just not going happen

 

[hedgehok]

You've just summed up the Marxist dialectic in one line. That's why I called it the E-USSR. A philosophy of patriarchal socialism. A failed philosophy if there ever was one. With 100% say in our own house we have independence. With 1/28 of the say in ours and another 27 houses we don't even live in, we don't.

What I was alluding to is that big corporations that benefit from free trade don't absorb all of this additional wealth for themselves but to help distribute it to the people with minimum wages, harmonised taxes in the EU etc.

 

[geordiecolin]

Fair enough. Sorry for my unreflected rant before my morning coffee.

What I always ask myself is what these notions about the evil Merkel and those other countries that tell you how to run your country are all about. I don't say that the EU as an organisation is the pride of (political and economic) creation. Though isn't it a great thing when I can choose to go to say Sweden or Poland and create my own business there or strive for a better standard of living as an EU citizen? Isn't the Polish worker the same value than the British worker? Of course this has to be within reason but most of the comments I've read here are essentially "Britain first and British first".

I don't deny that some people are worse off with the EU but all in all it creates wealth - the task is to distribute this wealth fairly. Another factor is that Europe gets more and more marginalised by other big players (US, China) and a Brexit is a step in the complete wrong direction IMHO. I rather want to have Britain as part of a big European family than an outsider on your island.
I certainly don't agree with the political establishment in Brussels in all points but to LEAVE entirely? Blimey...

But what we can agree on is the fact that there is no easy solution to fight all the issues we currently face. I only think it's a very selfish way to think that leaving is the way to go.
A very sad day for Europe.

I have a different view. Back in 73 we where assured that joining the EMS was purely a deal to improve trade and nothing to do with closer integration of rules that govern us. It was a complete lie. Since then,and without being given a vote on it,being in Europe meant becoming more and more governed by a self serving unaccountable body. The EU dictatorship has been given the boot at the first opportunity we where given.

 

[maxd]

Max you will be fine, I understand your worry but I would bet my house on it ...

Excellent! Send me the deed to your property and I'll feel a whole lot better.

Seriously though, thank you for your words.

 

[elrudo]

We'll see how this all plays out.

Congratulations and hope we (Netherlands) are next to leave the EU

 

[Dinahnana]

So it will be Boris and Trump now, whats wrong with this world.
Will the Scotts vote for staying in the eu and will we se a united Irland?

/Slotaholic

I have to think that the Scot's are rather pissed off this morning since the main sticking point for Scotish vote to remain part of the UK was the EU. So I think there are many angry people this morning.

Don't know what will happen but it will take 2 years for UK to exit the EU and I think people are calling for a revote so everything is uncertain.

As far as Northern Ireland goes I have no idea what will happen there. What I fear the most is that this whole situation could erupt and unforeseen things might happen. I know that Gerry Adams will want to use this situation in order to try and get a unification for Ireland but there are many people in Northern Ireland who want to remain with the UK. I just hope no matter what happens that the transition goes peacefully. The British Pound took a beating this morning so I know there has to be some sweating with investors and such.

End times are here.

 

[geordiecolin]

We'll see how this all plays out.

Congratulations and hope we (Netherlands) are next to leave the EU

Junker,Merkel et al will be shitting themselves because I honestly believe that the UK will prove that independence from the EU is a very positive step

 

[geordiecolin]

Huh. Scotland and the Mayor of London are seeking a common cause in staying within the EU? Is Sturgeon suggesting that London will seek independence? What bollix

 

[dunover]

I have to think that the Scot's are rather pissed off this morning since the main sticking point for Scotish vote to remain part of the UK was the EU. So I think there are many angry people this morning.

Don't know what will happen but it will take 2 years for UK to exit the EU and I think people are calling for a revote so everything is uncertain.

As far as Northern Ireland goes I have no idea what will happen there. What I fear the most is that this whole situation could erupt and unforeseen things might happen. I know that Gerry Adams will want to use this situation in order to try and get a unification for Ireland but there are many people in Northern Ireland who want to remain with the UK. I just hope no matter what happens that the transition goes peacefully. The British Pound took a beating this morning so I know there has to be some sweating with investors and such.

End times are here.

The Scots are always pissed-off. Think why. They've had their 2-day summer already on 14-15 June. They've got to sit in watching England, Wales and N.Ireland reaching the knockouts in the Euro football. And now they've have to listen to bug-eyes whining on for months about how unfair she thinks it all is.

 

[geordiecolin]

The Scots are always pissed-off. Think why. They've had their 2-day summer already on 14-15 June. They've got to sit in watching England, Wales and N.Ireland reaching the knockouts in the Euro football. And now they've have to listen to bug-eyes whining on for months about how unfair she thinks it all is.

I was told that the Scots where all conceived via anal sex,but personally I think that is very harsh

 

[vinylweatherman]

C'mon Hedgehok, you know better than to make statements like that. To state that it was peasants that made this choice is quite offensive and generalized. I voted out, does that make me a peasant?

More likely scenario is that many Brits have had enough of deaf, passive politicians and have seen negative changes on their doorstep. And yes, that includes the swarm of free-moving illegal immigration, I mean 'migration' (!) that has had people feeling pissed off.

Brits have had a chance to vote for themselves and it has involved many decent, honest citizens that may not have great affluence and hide in their Kennington pad or bury their head in the sand.

And let's not forget that this was a choice for Britain first and foremost, and then the EU. Other member nations have believed they can tell us how to run this country, coupled with a sense of entitlement and a dash of presumption. We're not just here to make Merkel feel better about herself.

On the plus side, I'll let your comments slide because you like Sonic the Hedgehog

This is where the politicians have fallen down. No amount of rhetoric about "economic growth" or "migrants benefit the economy" isn't going to make a GP appointment suddenly become available before August, which is the kind of "on my doorstep" negative consequence most people have seen. Worse, most of the "positive consequence" is sitting in some offshore bank account, not making everyday standards of living higher.

For decades, the economy has been benefitting from migration, even before the free movement principle brought in the surge from Eastern Europe, but also for decades fewer new houses, fewer schools, fewer infrastructure projects, fewer hospital beds, GPs, etc than needed have been provided. For much of that time, even raising this concern was not permitted, and any who tried were branded "racist" in order to shut down any kind of debate.

This meant that the UK was like a pressure cooker, and it blew some while ago and brought us such things as the Rotherham scandal, the school "Trojan horse" scandal, along with "Muslim Patrol" followed by "Christian patrol". Once discussion was allowed, there was a need to address decades of built up problems, but progress was always slow, and we were often told by the politicians that "we would love to, but the EU won't let us".

The less affluent areas suffered a disproportionate amount of the negative consequences of all this, whereas the most affluent areas saw most of the benefits. However, it's one vote per person, not one vote per £1000 in the bank, so the remain camp had a big fight on their hands, and despite this, Junker wouldn't keep his trap shut just for one more day, and had to tell the UK right before the poll that Cameron would NEVER get any further reform, so any carrots he dangled in front of the electorate based on further discussion and reform if we were to remain were suddenly declared void.

 

[geordiecolin]

This is where the politicians have fallen down. No amount of rhetoric about "economic growth" or "migrants benefit the economy" isn't going to make a GP appointment suddenly become available before August, which is the kind of "on my doorstep" negative consequence most people have seen. Worse, most of the "positive consequence" is sitting in some offshore bank account, not making everyday standards of living higher.

For decades, the economy has been benefitting from migration, even before the free movement principle brought in the surge from Eastern Europe, but also for decades fewer new houses, fewer schools, fewer infrastructure projects, fewer hospital beds, GPs, etc than needed have been provided. For much of that time, even raising this concern was not permitted, and any who tried were branded "racist" in order to shut down any kind of debate.

This meant that the UK was like a pressure cooker, and it blew some while ago and brought us such things as the Rotherham scandal, the school "Trojan horse" scandal, along with "Muslim Patrol" followed by "Christian patrol". Once discussion was allowed, there was a need to address decades of built up problems, but progress was always slow, and we were often told by the politicians that "we would love to, but the EU won't let us".

The less affluent areas suffered a disproportionate amount of the negative consequences of all this, whereas the most affluent areas saw most of the benefits. However, it's one vote per person, not one vote per £1000 in the bank, so the remain camp had a big fight on their hands, and despite this, Junker wouldn't keep his trap shut just for one more day, and had to tell the UK right before the poll that Cameron would NEVER get any further reform, so any carrots he dangled in front of the electorate based on further discussion and reform if we were to remain were suddenly declared void.

What he said. Fabulous post.