The Day Has arrived for The UK

[mimi26]

Do you really believe that Cameron went blindly for the referendum???

I would bet my last shirt that, among other things, extensive polls were done on the quiet to find out what the chances are that the "Brexit" campaign could win this vote.

To the normal person it looks like they have a say in this, whereas it is with near 100% certainty that they don't.

I stand to be corrected and will eat my words if you will leave the EU.

Well its a 50/50 chance so its not like you can say see I told you so! i.e it was a done deal. As for extensive polls being done on the quiet I dont buy it especially after the disaster of the general election polls. Remain camp have been running scared over the past 2 weeks alone. And are we not all 'normal' people who have a right how we decide to vote. I bet Cameron is reeling that he actually agreed to a referendum because amongst all other things his career could end tomorrow.

 

[mimi26]

I do a lot of work for the EU and I know how many jobs rely on us being IN.

I can't think of one single reason to leave. Unemployment is low - we need immigrants for the carers, agriculture and other work that UK citizens seem to chose not to do. People can no longer come here on benefit holidays.

There is ZERO chance of Turkey joining the EU anytime soon - and it's just rubbish to suggest otherwise. Again, I know this through my work.

Leaving the EU will cost jobs, reduce investment and achieve absolutely nothing positive that I can see. I'm glad that I'm not voting on the same side as Farage, the BNP, the EDL, Britain first etc who are all voting to leave. That's not to suggest that all leavers are racist - of course they are not - but all racists are leavers, that is clear.

Prove it!! prove everything you say and I will believe you, voting out on the other hand requires no proof for me, the NHS, my place of work, is under enormous strain we have a housing crisis, we have low wages, all this I can see, feel touch, what you are saying is just hearsay at best. We dont have 'low' unemployment', yes we need immigrants but we need to be able to take a measured approach to this.


Ok I have decided its out for me

 

[bebo67]

I'm not sure what the actions of one nutter have to do with this. OK, I'm for out. Most people I know are. If rumours are correct from those handling the postal votes made early there is a lead for the Brexit. I predict a very close one, say 52-48 to REMAIN unfortunately. Cowardice and fear of change will be decisive.

OK say we have a cul-de-sac of 28 houses (for the 28 E-USSR states) They are all detached. All independent. Bertrand the Belgian invites us all to a barbecue. He says:

"Guys, I have an idea! As we are mostly friendly, why don't we become one big happy family? We all leave our front doors open, and tear down our walls and fences. John Smith and Hans Schmidt, you two have the biggest houses and earn most money. Poor old Petr the Pole earns a third a third of your household income. If you guys chuck him some of your money, he can make it nice like yours!"

John Smith: "What the f*ck?"

Betrand: "No, listen, once you've given them all some money, they will become wealthier and might buy your goods from you!"

John Smith: "Might buy - he doesn't have to? So, I give those houses some of my own money, so they MAY buy my goods with my f*cking money! Plus if he chooses he can walk through my front door and take up one of my rooms? Piss-off Bertrand."

Hans Schmidt: "How cool Bertrand. You see, ahemm...a few decades ago we were a bit naughty and smashed-up Francois' house, Petr's house, Ruud's house, Bertrand's House, Pavel's house and a little bit of John Smith's. OK, it meant ours got totally demolished and had to be rebuilt but it is the best one in the close now. Brand new! What better way to assuage my guilt - sort of late reparations. Plus I can get you all to spend bucks with my name behind them. Right on!"

Bertrand: "That's really cool Hans, brilliant! The rest of you, I can see you all smiling"

John Smith: "So get this straight. I open my doors. I let you walk in. I pay for the privilege. You lot get to make the rules in my fucking house. You give me back half what I pay in but with the stipulation it must be spent on what you tell me. I end up poorer, with god-knows who sleeping in the room next to my kids. When my house is full I have to pay to extend it. And then you'll tell me I'm 'richer' because my house is bigger and more income is coming in? Bertrand, I built your poxy little house back in the 1800's when Francois tried to take it from you on his way to Russia."

Hans: "Come now, don't be like that. Things have changed now. We are at peace. Plus if you get short of labour we'll give millions of highly-educated and law-abiding Arabs. Afghans and Africans residency and send them over to you later. You can't lose!"

John Smith; "Bertrand, Hans and the rest of you mugs. Hans, I like your cars. Betrand, I like your chocolate. Francois, I like your wine and cheese. Juan, I like holidaying in your house. I also like buying stuff from Sam over the sea, and Wo Lok in China. You see I'm free to do all this already. I have money, and the natural will to trade and profit and buy and sell is omnipresent worldwide. I don't need to be pay to be in a club. I don't need layers of rules or restrictions. I don't need your kids to do the work my kids can do. I have enough weapons in the cellar to wipe you and most of the world out, so I don't feel unsafe without you guys. So without using two English words you'll all understand, I'll decline this crazy offer. Evening gents..."

You see, if this E-USSR nonsense had been implemented in one go and not crept uP on us, would we as a people have ever allowed it? NO - IT'S MADNESS!!!

Did you ever think of writing a book? I publish them

 

[KasinoKing]

What Dunover said x2...

I voted to LEAVE

KK

 

[geordiecolin]

What Dunover said x2...

I voted to LEAVE

KK

What Dunover +1

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well, my British friends, i am off for some "kip" and will wake up in a few hours to see that you are .........


















still in the EU :clap:

 

[dunover]

Well, my British friends, i am off for some "kip" and will wake up in a few hours to see that you are .........

still in the EU :clap:

You're right, all the powers of the state will ensure we are. Piles of 'leave' votes will quietly be disappeared from the back doors of returning centres after the count by anonymous-looking men if the 'observer' decides it's a bit too close. The 'right people' will witness the counting of the postal votes. It CANNOT be allowed to happen.

P.S. Missus just got in and surprised the hell out of me by telling me she voted 'leave'!! A hard-line liberal too!

So that's Geordie, Me, my missus and KK. So if there are any less than FOUR votes to leave I know something's up.....

 

[Jono777]

lol Harry, sleep well!

Daft question time, much more important than this EU 'debate'

Why are the no 'thanks' or 'WTG' buttons in this section

 

[mimi26]

You're right, all the powers of the state will ensure we are. Piles of 'leave' votes will quietly be disappeared from the back doors of returning centres after the count by anonymous-looking men if the 'observer' decides it's a bit too close. The 'right people' will witness the counting of the postal votes. It CANNOT be allowed to happen.

P.S. Missus just got in and surprised the hell out of me by telling me she voted 'leave'!! A hard-line liberal too!

So that's Geordie, Me, my missus and KK. So if there are any less than FOUR votes to leave I know something's up.....

and me

 

[Harry_BKK]

You're right, all the powers of the state will ensure we are. Piles of 'leave' votes will quietly be disappeared from the back doors of returning centres after the count by anonymous-looking men if the 'observer' decides it's a bit too close. The 'right people' will witness the counting of the postal votes. It CANNOT be allowed to happen.

P.S. Missus just got in and surprised the hell out of me by telling me she voted 'leave'!! A hard-line liberal too!

So that's Geordie, Me, my missus and KK. So if there are any less than FOUR votes to leave I know something's up.....

Dunover, my comments in this thread are just those of a distant observer.

I have not read a single shred or seen a piece of evidence that the government has actually made some sort of preparations in case the vote result is "LEAVE".

Similarly, i have not seen or heard anything substantiated that the "LEAVE" camp has presented a clear plan for hour "ZERO" if the vote goes their way.

We are talking about milllions of people here that will be affected if the vote is "LEAVE", you would expect that both sides have something clear and firm planned to ensure the markets don't nose dive in the morning, the pound isn't losing substantially etc. etc.

Correct me if i am wrong but i have scoured the bbc.com website for weeks now and have not seen anything that resembles a clear plan.

Does that sound to you like you are about to leave the EU?

EDIT: The only stuff i have seen/read has been scaremongering from both sides.

 

[dunover]

Dunover, my comments in this thread are just those of a distant observer.

I have not read a single shred or seen a piece of evidence that the government has actually made some sort of preparations in case the vote result is "LEAVE".

Similarly, i have not seen or heard anything substantiated that the "LEAVE" camp has presented a clear plan for hour "ZERO" if the vote goes their way.

We are talking about milllions of people here that will be affected if the vote is "LEAVE", you would expect that both sides have something clear and firm planned to ensure the markets don't nose dive in the morning, the pound isn't losing substantially etc. etc.

Correct me if i am wrong but i have scoured the bbc.com website for weeks now and have not seen anything that resembles a clear plan.

Does that sound to you like you are about to leave the EU?

EDIT: The only stuff i have seen/read has been scaremongering from both sides.

'plan' is pointless as you are planning on too many unknowns, mainly market and currency fluctuations and the degree of empty bluster from the Germans/French. Plus nothing changes for 24 months. So the ideal time for a plan would be a few weeks afterwards when the markets settle, the Germans run out of grizzling and the French get over their pique. Then we'll have 23 months to plan with the benefit of facts rather than guesswork now.

 

[KasinoKing]

So that's Geordie, Me, my missus and KK. So if there are any less than FOUR votes to leave I know something's up.....

My misses (an immigrant) got in from her 12 hour shift in the NHS today and said she was going to vote "stay"...
When I asked her just now if she's been to vote (only 100 metres from our house), she said "No - I was too scared to go in the dark!"
But she didn't ask me to go with her, the silly sausage.

So if "Leave" wins by just one vote - it's all her fault!

KK

 

[geordiecolin]

3 results in and I think that leave will win it

 

[mimi26]

3 results in and I think that leave will win it

very interesting results!! could the bookies have got it so wrong!! they ahd the leave at 10-1, odds now dropping like a brick

 

[dunover]

Yes, to hit the Betfair prediction of 55-45 remain, Newcastle was expected to be 60-40 remain. It was 50.7-49.3. Sunderland a massive 61-39 leave.
Odds now 1/10 in to 1/2. Sterling has just dropped 3c against the Dollar.

I PREDICTED 52-48 REMAIN. A few hours later at close of polling, funnily enough the pollsters said exactly the same. 52-48.

I may be way out...

MAX! Change into some more sturdy, preferably absorbent underwear!

UPDATE! Sterling now 9c down against Dollar.....

 

[geordiecolin]

very interesting results!! could the bookies have got it so wrong!! they ahd the leave at 10-1, odds now dropping like a brick

I think that maybe the Scottish may vote leave because then it will give them another chance for their own referendum for independence. Sturgeon shooting herself in the foot.
And I think in England they underestimated how pissed off working the class are with housing,jobs and immigration

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes, to hit the Betfair prediction of 55-45 remain, Newcastle was expected to be 60-40 remain. It was 50.7-49.3. Sunderland a massive 61-39 leave.
Odds now 1/10 in to 1/2. Sterling has just dropped 3c against the Dollar.

I PREDICTED 52-48 REMAIN. A few hours later at close of polling, funnily enough the pollsters said exactly the same. 52-48.

I may be way out...

MAX! Change into some more sturdy, preferably absorbent underwear!

UPDATE! Sterling now 9c down against Dollar.....

Stirling is taking an utter hammering now. Another Black Wednesday. The City does not like the figures!

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Its an utter joke I am not allowed to bloody vote!!! Lived and worked hard for now almost 8 years. Also "left" Denmark signed out of Denmark closing my national insurance etc. To put my future in United Kingdom "Great Britain" Not so great really is it? How can it be called United when so many people here living and contributing and even put their future life here are not allowed to vote in one of the most important elections in time??

I have worked hard and paid taxes now for almost 8 years as already mentioned. I am just asking you guys for your opinion? I understand if someone from other countries etc who have not been here so long will not be allowed thats fair enough but I am not happy at all

For me because of this there is NO "United" future for me here and as soon possible in a couple years time hopefully it would be possible for me to move to Malta or a different nice place with my "English" Fiancee.

PS update: On other hand in my own home country Denmark we do also not allow any foreign citizen to vote in elections like this and so I found out about all other EU countries so guess its fair enough and I just got bit to emotional lol Also I would had voted "Leave" after seconds thoughts and looking a lot into it from my first opinon vote which would had been put on "IN"

 

[geordiecolin]

Its an utter joke I am not allowed to bloody vote!!! Lived and worked hard for now almost 8 years. Also "left" Denmark signed out of Denmark closing my national insurance etc. To put my future in United Kingdom "Great Britain" Not so great really is it? How can it be called United when so many people here living and contributing and even put their future life here are not allowed to vote in one of the most important elections in time??

I have worked hard and paid taxes now for almost 8 years as already mentioned. I am just asking you guys for your opinion? I understand if someone from other countries etc who have not been here so long will not be allowed thats fair enough but I am not happy at all

For me because of this there is NO "United" future for me here and as soon possible in a couple years time hopefully it would be possible for me to move to Malta or a different nice place with my "English" Fiancee.

I doubt that your status in the UK will suffer if we do leave because there are statutes in place to protect those who have lived in the UK prior to the vote. Also,put a ring on it

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

I doubt that your status in the UK will suffer if we do leave because there are statutes in place to protect those who have lived in the UK prior to the vote. Also,put a ring on it

haha yeah I know mate. I need to think then rethink before I make post and that is also when its about gambling here PS put a ring on what?? Oh if you mean my finger or hers yes there already is but only engagement rings haha and they have been there for around 5 years now so yes think its about time. Cant wait for that expensive wedding that will never happen can we. Will let you know when time is :bubbles:

 

[geordiecolin]

haha yeah I know mate. I need to think then rethink before I make post and that is also when its about gambling here PS put a ring on what?? Oh if you mean my finger or hers yes there already is but only engagement rings haha and they have been there for around 5 years now so yes think its about time. Cant wait for that expensive wedding that will never happen can we. Will let you know when time is :bubbles:

If we vote leave how many European based casino's will pull UK players access to them?

 

[dunover]

If we vote leave how many European based casino's will pull UK players access to them?

None. Money talks. Humans trade by instinct and like to profit. There are profits to be made from the UK. Gibraltar is part of the UK, so there will be no difference. As long as Brits have money to spend, the Germans etc. will be kissing our a$$. Simples. Our money comes first to them, not our politics.

 

[geordiecolin]

None. Money talks. Humans trade by instinct and like to profit. There are profits to be made from the UK. Gibraltar is part of the UK, so there will be no difference. As long as Brits have money to spend, the Germans etc. will be kissing our a$$. Simples. Our money comes first to them, not our politics.

But when we sign up to a Euro based casino we will have to deal with the burden of having to ask the casino manager to provide a passport and driving licence before we agree to play there

 

[asm]

Prove it!! prove everything you say and I will believe you, voting out on the other hand requires no proof for me, the NHS, my place of work, is under enormous strain we have a housing crisis, we have low wages, all this I can see, feel touch, what you are saying is just hearsay at best. We dont have 'low' unemployment', yes we need immigrants but we need to be able to take a measured approach to this.


Ok I have decided its out for me

Why would these be a EU issue? Being under the impression that low wages for typical female oriented professions, such as those in the NHS or education, are somehow a EU related problem is absurd. It doesn't really matter what continent you are living in with or without the european union, the above mentioned get paid the absolute $hits and it doesn't really have anything to do with the EU.

Similarly with any financial/housing crises, the idea that a european country can separate itself from global (or european) financial events is absolutely absurd. It's not a local supermarket world anymore, we've left Kansas Dorothy. You don't have to like it (I don't either) but that's how it is.

Perhaps approaching the EU question through sovereignty or actual financial pro's/con's is more like it.

 

[dunover]

INDEPENDENCE IS UPON US!

THE GREAT EUROPEAN SCHEISSBUND IS DONE FOR!

WE'VE LEFT THE SINKING SHIP!

FARAGE SHOULD BE KNIGHTED AND A STATUE PLACED SOMEWHERE PROMINENT IN CENTRAL LONDON. :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy



Bookies have had their 1/10-on shoved up their inept arses!

The pollsters have colossally f*cked-up yet again!