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RTG return to player percentages

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by 4 of a kind, Dec 8, 2009.

    Dec 8, 2009
  1. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    I hope Im wrong here, but I just cant help but to wonder why a more serious response wasnt taken after Casino-Jack a well known casino rep on this site bluntly told us that RTG is rigged in the thread titled Playfair Casino

    1) First he tells a poster in this thread that was complaining about how tight the site was, to p.m. him his favorite 3 games, and he will make sure they are on the max RTP setting the next time he plays giving him a better chance for a good session. Basically what this means is that if youre connected with a rep. you obviously can get a better game then anyone else simply by complaining. I wonder what Casino-Jack could do for me if I was his personal friend, or family member? His lame explanation for this (at will) manipulation of the RTP, was that everyone that played these same games while the RTP was tweaked up, would also benefit the same. The problem with this is that no one would know except the player that p.m.d him. So if Im on the site the same time the privileged informed player is, while Im getting my butt kicked playing Green Light set at 90%, hes playing Texas Tycoon at 97.5%. Not that I wouldnt get my butt kicked playing Texas Tycoon, but I certainly would have a better chance. So, its obvious that lame explanation that we all have the same RTP was just a line of bullshit trying to cover his tracks.

    2) Since he made it clear as an operator that he has the power at will to tweak the machines up or down any time he wants, I then asked him another question. I asked if I spiked a hit for 10k, and felt it was my lucky day and instead of cashing out started to surf the site and play assorted machines of course raising my bets, could he follow me around and lower the machines I decided to play in an attempt to help the casino get its money back? His response was yes that could be done. But he didnt know any operators that did that. ARE YOU FN KIDDING ME???!!! Try telling that to the million posters here that have been complaining about RTG especially after a decent hit and going completely blank afterwards for the last two years.

    3) I asked him if he could lower the RTP to 60% if he wanted. He said hes pretty sure he could only lower it to 90%, but it would depend on the game, and that he would have to look into it.

    This conversation was completed some where around 7pm last night. Since that time this thread is fading into the night without any serious responses. Not one of the many affiliates on this site that promote RTG weighted in on this topic with any input what so ever.

    The important information in this thread is not being recognized along with several real important ones in the past that got forgotten and eventually drift far away. Pinababy69 was a warrior for this site and always stood up for what was right and demanded answers. As you could see she is one of a few good posters that no longer post here. Her last argument was the reels missing symbols, and the progressive jackpot that went bye-bye along with the game both at RTG casinos. Where were the symbols and where did the jackpot go? She had them backed into a corner. First they admitted there was a problem with the game, and that the jackpot would be returned. Then as time went by, everything was being denied, and to this day there are still no answers. As you could see she faded away just like that thread.

    Yet all the casino reps here are still getting there daily spam cleverly in. Look at casino-jack, after he dropped the bomb last night he suddenly is laying low. I saw him online several times but he never made another post, probably checking on the thread hoping it went away just like it did. But he still couldnt resist the opportunity to spam. A player bragged about how quick he got paid at one of his sites. His only post since last night was Congrats! We are pretty fast; I didnt even have a chance to look into it SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM.

    When the shit hits the fan here all the reps. and the affiliates are no where to be found till the smoke clears.

    This is all the proof you need to confirm RTG is rigged. Better yet just let it fade away so we could go on debating the next thousand or so posts complaining about why they think RTG is rigged, and getting the ole responses from affiliates and reps. on how it was just bad luck, and prove it with a million hands or some stupid crap like that.

    I certainly could go on here, but really dont want to write a book. God knows what they could really do, obviously this slipped out by mistake.

    You want proof, well here it is. I would assume this thread also will vanish...
     
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  2. Dec 8, 2009
  3. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt

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    this aint rtg but it shows as we all probobly seen this on games we bought .

    but is it this simple to do world wide please tell me it's not this easy ------------->

    //[​IMG]
     
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  4. Dec 8, 2009
  5. casinojack

    casinojack Dormant account

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    I was on often look at new posts. When one asks questions and draws their own conclusions there is nothing left to say.

    Being my explanations were "lame" as you put it, there is nothing more for me to add. I was trying to help in sharing knowledge, and instead you had your own agenda.

    The games are WELL above what is legal in any casino in the USA.
    I was hoping with the threads I had participated in for something unique for players, to offer unprecedented information.

    Seems your mindset is all games are "rigged", no matter what I say.

    I wish you well in your endeavors,I will not reply anymore.
     
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  6. Dec 8, 2009
  7. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Thanks I corrected.
     
  8. Dec 8, 2009
  9. vegetagirl2008

    vegetagirl2008 Mafia Wars Level 472

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    Now the cats out of the bag, where do we go from here? When he made those statements in the other thread not only he threw his own casino under the bus but a whole lot of other RTG casinos as well.


    As far as Pinababy69 is concerned sometimes real life take precedence over the virtual world and we have to respect them for it. Its alright to be Joan of Ark but even she needs a break.
     
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  10. Dec 8, 2009
  11. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

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    Wow are you serious...they control the payout??? ok sorry for the sarcasm... of course they can change the payout ...so can every other casino including B&M casinos...now of course they dont follow you around in B&M and switch it, but i do sometimes wonder when they open my machine for a tilt...or better yet all the slots are on a main computer in the casino...i wonder if they can change it from the control room at the B&M casinos...i do appreciate jack giving out that info even though its not a surprise...and at the same time changing percentages in the minimal sense such as 91-97% wouldnt even probably make a difference to me ,,now down to 60% that would make me mad, but i swear ive played on 30% payout both online and in B&M...
     
  12. Dec 8, 2009
  13. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

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    IM not going to get into this one to much but have a couple of things to add.

    If I'am at a B&M casino and play a slot machine and win and then I decide to move to another machine then it is like iam sitting at a brand new slot with no memory of my previous play at the other slot so it should not have any bearing of the previous play..

    Playing online I really dont think that is the case- IT really seems if you have luck on a machine and then move on those stats will move over to the next machine your on, this shouldnt be the case.

    Mind you this isnt only RTG either I have noticed this with Microgaming etc.
     
  14. Dec 8, 2009
  15. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Some very interesting information here....and apparently 'straight from the horses mouth' as it were. Im not going to post anything much until I read all those posts for myself, but I cant see this thread going away anytime soon.

    Didnt this happen at a Top Game Casino, not RTG?? Im pretty sure Im right here, but Im happy to stand corrected.
     
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  16. Dec 8, 2009
  17. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    Just to throw a wrench in the works - if you're playing B&M slots and have your players card inserted, anything is possible...But with all the audits that are done on those machines, they'd pick up on it if the software was doing stuff like that.
     
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  18. Dec 8, 2009
  19. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    Actually, as most gamblers know, the casinos are ALL rigged - they are rigged so that the casino wins over the long-term, with extremely few exceptions (I don't mean they are giving individual players exceptions, but rather that there are a very few games which are positive expected value for the player, and I think blackjack single deck is one, right?). I know you knew that, but I just thought I would remind people that what casinos provide is entertainment, not a way to make a living.

    I did pretty well this weekend on Bodog's casino. Does that mean that the odds on their slots are now in my favor? Of course not. They never will be. What it does mean is that variance is paying me back now some.
     
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  20. Dec 8, 2009
  21. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    Not since it went to 6:5 pay on blackjacks.
     
  22. Dec 8, 2009
  23. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

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    im sorry IIRC Pinababy was upset about a Topgame Jackpot I believe in the amount of $157K vanishing an IIRC the game was Doogies delight

    also when they post an they get no respect for what they post they go silent as they get tired of saying the same thing over an over an no 1 listend

    Cindy
     
  24. Dec 8, 2009
  25. TOC

    TOC Dormant account

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    Christmas time at Casino Meister with another RTG attack! :) Looks like everyone is hearing what they want to hear from casinojack about RTG but I think his intention was to convince you that the (1) ONE casino he promotes at affstorm.com affiliate program was a HOTTER Christmas gift than the Zhu Zhu Pets this year. :eek: Merry Christmas to everyone but I think you're all being Casino Jacked and only hearing what you want to hear or wished to hear. This guy isn't working inside the Casino, he's with affstorm.com from my observation. I haven't read all the threads but other than maybe him e-mailing the casino about a complaint or e-mailing the casino about free chips what has he done around here to make you think he's in charge of the back end operations of this casino? In one of the links below he boasts about their RTG is set at the highest %, wonder where he got that idea and then he offers a back end tour of RTG, right. Maybe I'm wrong but in his profile he states that he's in sales, I agree a good salesman and sold some of you. Get as many people to his casino as possible, no matter what they want to hear or where he needs to post it. I'm surprised he wasn't banned for spam, he's all over the net! Think about it folks while searching through the few links I've posted below. Does this look like a guy that can change percentages at any online casino? I'd say only the big guy can do that even if it's possible and that's not casinojack so really again we don't really know do we? Enjoy the links with casinojack in ACTION! Many more if you search real good... Oh and if I'm totally out of line with this response I personally challenge casinojack to take me on the Back End tour! :p

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  26. Dec 8, 2009
  27. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    This is not the point at all. Of course you have to lose in the long run. I've been losing gambling my whole life having a ball. Just because I cashed out $4500.00 from RTG a couple weeks ago don't make me a winner, other then that day I cashed out and didn't reverse it. Who the hell is talking about a casino game with positive expected value for the player? Being rigged from the get go for all is one thing. Changing it on the fly (at will) is another.

    Niffty29:
    Yes, you are correct. I hunted down that thread and it was Topgame. I thought it was RTG. I stand corrected and like to add, that's two software providers to stay clear of.

    Winbig:
    The only centralized B&M's slots are the mega slots linking all casinos together for Jackpot. The few and newer video slots that are now being offered at race tracks etc. do have a centralized server, and already at Yonkers Race Track in N.Y. was already a scam exposed. All the other slots at B&M's have to be done manually with a chip being replaced.

    I can't believe the posts already avoiding the point and in a way giving credence to what was said.
     
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  28. Dec 8, 2009
  29. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Then somebody from RTG should get over here and clear this thing up. And if they did attempt to clear it up, why should we believe them?? Just because Casino-Jack and just about every other Rep. here is a spam artist, doesn't mean they can't slip up. Don't forget they have to sign a top secret (hush) form to work for them or risk losing their job and probably charges being brought against them. It's not about being righteous with these people, it's about feeding their family's.

    There was once a post here from an operator who quit and exposed some of the shady crap going on behind closed online casinos doors. I vaguely remember reading about it. That thread is so buried I wouldn't have a clue on how to find it.
     
  30. Dec 8, 2009
  31. TOC

    TOC Dormant account

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    All I want for Christmas is my RTG back end tour!

    Well I doubt anyone from RTG will clear this up because it's just a conspiracy theory. I'm just an affiliate, so I have no power just like all the other affiliates here either, sorry. I agree there is several spam artists here on this board but not me, I don't even promote my site. Watch the ones that promote.. If there is really a "Top secret form as you have stated" then why has casinojack deceived you? Personally my Christmas scrooge of 2009 is casinojack unless he can take me on the RTG back end tour for Christmas.. :)
     
  32. Dec 8, 2009
  33. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Just an FYI.

    I'm in the process of getting some straight answers on this. As far as I know, Casinojack has been making some false claims - and yes, he is an aff manager - not an operator.

    @ 4 of a kind: I wouldn't be getting to riled up about this - and the reason why this thread hasn't received the responses you are hoping for is because it is relatively new. Sometimes it takes time to get the ball rolling.
     
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  34. Dec 8, 2009
  35. Westland Bowl

    Westland Bowl Tin Foil Hat Club Member CAG PABnonaccred

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    I've been playing blackjack online for about 5 years now. While I won't say that blackjack is rigged, I do notice that the casino software does recognize any betting strategy I use, whether it's RTG, Microgaming, Playtech, etc.:mad:

    If I use the Martingale strategy, I soon will notice MANY longer losing streaks.:what:

    If I lose during the back and forth streak (WLWLWLWL...), I will start seeing a LOT of those.:what:

    If I wait until I get two wins in a row before betting higher for the (hopefully) third win, I'll eventually see a lot of two-win blocks throughout my play. :what:

    It does "figure you out" while at the same time try to appear as random as it can.:mad:

    I always keep statistics after each session to gauge whether the blackjacks are even between me and the dealer; whether my double-down wins are close to the statistically normal 55% and the same for splits. But in the end, I always lose when I deviate and start emotional betting and don't preserve my capital. :mad:

    So far, I've found only one accredited casino that I suspect of being unfair as the statistics where way off from normal.:what:

    As far as slots are concerned, I saw many times what appears to be a set of free spin symbol disappear in a blink of an eye.:what: But I don't keep statistics on slots as I do blackjack.
     
  36. Dec 8, 2009
  37. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Admin Warning: making false claims

    So far responses from two operators, and they are telling me what I already know - operators cannot manipulate the software via the backend at will.

    I'm also awaiting word from RTG on this.

    Looks like Casinojack has some explaining to do.
     
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  38. Dec 8, 2009
  39. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    From another operator:

     
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