Wow! RTG! Unbelievable!

[dcimp3]

Everyone that knows me here, knows that I back a certain RTG casino. When I have nice things to say... I don't mind naming them! But right now I am pretty upset.

I made a $250 deposit and requested a 75% coupon. They cheerfully gave me the coupon. That gives me $437.50 to play with. Well, I hit... and hit... and hit. I was well over $4000!

At one point the slot keeps turning and a box pops up saying it was unable to communicate with the server. After a while, I contact the support. They tell me that RTG is updating ALL casinos at that time and they would be back up within 15 minutes.

When the casino came back up... I lost with a CAPITAL "L". 3 bonus rounds in 3000 spins. Very little winning after that "update". Normal casinos payback 95% or so. Meaing, for every $100 I spent out of my withdrawable balance, $95 in winnings goes back in. Well... at this point... for every $100 I spent, if I was lucky I won $8. I feel robbed!

 

[vinylweatherman]

This sounds bad on circumstantial evidence alone. Try asking a different RTG if this really was an RTG wide update. If you find the casino lied about the cause of the loss of connection, it is likely they could have done something to you.

RTG can do lots of things, they can alter the payouts of their games, and increase the number of decks in card games. It is possible to do this in a manner that is bad for the player, but to do so they have to disconnect the sessions of all players to make the alterations active, just as you sometimes have to reboot your PC after changing some software and windows features.

To further your case, how many spins did it take to eat your $4000 after the disconnect? If you were still betting high, the experience can still be down to bad luck, but if you were betting low ($1 or $2) and had the entire $4000 steadily eaten at around 10% payout, things would look bad for the casino. 3000 spins without a bonus also seems a bit odd, RTG bonus rounds are not as good as MG, and even 700+ spins without a bonus round on an MG slot is highly unlikely (it happens so rarely, that it warrants a post when it does as players feel something is wrong).

 

[lnspin]

you know the same shit happened to me from 8-9 tonight . made a 500 deposit and hit some nice slot hits , brought it up to almost 5k , then it started that update bullshit . and in less then 2 hours and about 1300 spins lost it all . Now i have another place ill never play again .

It is my own fault thou i should have cashed out but wanted to make it to 5k to even out for the past few weeks .

 

[chuchu59]

Hmmm. Seems to be quite serious. Can other players with similar experiences post here as well. BTW, Phyngster, if you are reading this, please shed some light on this abnormality.

 

[Kaynos72]

We heard these kind of stories very often about RTG. It would be suprising if it was just a coincidence.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Was this at clubworld by any chance, because same thing happened to me at the same time. message pops up saying game is closing for maintenance, offline for 10-15 mins and then backup and i too noticed that after this update they wernt playing the same.

 

[dcimp3]

Not going to say... but you are very hot!! They have since given me managers bonuses totaling well over $200. Lost on all those too.. Time to take a break!

 

[AudiManinBoro]

I joined Clubworld myself not so long ago actually and am enjoying my time their much more so than at any other RTG casino ive tried. Although far from comparable to an Mg casino where ive had big wins before from being a low roller I havent yet once seen any similar strokes of luck from an RTG, but i do enjoy the games and i play them mainly for fun and the hope of hitting one of those RJ which I think in all probability isnt likley to happen. At least not any time soon. I know the slots can pay nice wins on a low rolling coinage and ive had a couple of what can be classed as `nice` wins but nothing `nice nice` if that makes sense which i get fairly often on an Mg casino. i think in my opinion the only way of walking away truly up from an RTG being a low roller is if you hit one of the RJ`s.

Secondly I dont really see the point intaking out a club world deposit bonus either seeing as your totally limited to a max cashout of i think its 10 times isnt it? Just whats the point if you know that ultimately any REALLY nice win is going to be null and void anyway. thirdly, i didnt realise that RTG takes AWAY your initial deposit bonus if you come to withdraw. This is something totaly new to me being a primarily MG player, i was quite shocked lol i think clubworld has been the only RTG casino to actually allow me the chance to cash out anything at all anyway so its the first time ive noticed it.]

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

I strongly suggest that everyone quit playing RTG software. Except those that dont have milk money or their house just burnt down. Better to give your money away somewhere else than to flush it down the toilet with RTG.
THIS MANY RESPECTED POSTERS WOULD NOT BE COMPLAINING THIS MUCH FOR THIS LONG WITHOUT SOMETHING MAJOR CHANGING WITH RTG.

 

[just play]

I'm confused......how come all of a sudden it's ok to say there's something fishy about online casinos?

Before any time a player would say something like this most people here would go ape sh*t, but now it has changed.

I believe what has been posted, I always have, but didn't say much on the subject because long time members would really get on people for saying such a thing.

Why has it all of a sudden changed?

 

[Janek12]

I'm confused......how come all of a sudden it's ok to say there's something fishy about online casinos?

Before any time a player would say something like this most people here would go ape sh*t, but now it has changed.

I believe what has been posted, I always have, but didn't say much on the subject because long time members would really get on people for saying such a thing.

Nearly everyone (save for a very few posters, I highly appreciated the answers by AKA23 and KasinoKing) ignored my posts and speculations about the fairness of on-line casinos; two of the long-time members made several completely OT posts in the thread after my post, in which I questioned the fairness of on-line casino games, until they filled approximately one whole page with them and then the thread "died"... It was the thread started by the highly unpopular Thodorisk (I admit that some of his claims might have been a little peculiar, but he might have a point in some of his posts, IMO), titled something like "How much do online casinos cheat?".

In my opinion, it is safest to play live casino games at an online casino.

 

[lnspin]

Was this at clubworld by any chance, because same thing happened to me at the same time. message pops up saying game is closing for maintenance, offline for 10-15 mins and then backup and i too noticed that after this update they wernt playing the same.

Yes it was

 

[kakata]

Some times they give you a coupons with only 10x or 15x wagering. without withdrawal limit......you have to ask for it thou......

 

[jerseykingpin]

i know the feeling

Well i know the feeling o so well. Same thing happen in slots plus had it up to 5k which i dp $50 without a bonues i got booted log back in lost 3k cashed out 2k and as im writing this im looking at the check which it took over 3 weeks to get but i got lol just in time for the weekend down A.C my other bank where i always dp but cant withdraw GOOD LUCK ALLto main street group

 

[phynqster]

How come all of the horror stories start " I was on such a hot streak, everything was hitting", if that is the case than why is it so strange when a player starts losing. If a player hits a big payout with in their first few spins, does that mean it should always happen? or was the machine set wrong? The machines are pre programed and there will be ups and downs.
The "RTG" casinos can not set or change results for individual players, when they make a change it is for everyone in casino. When the casino changes the decks of cards on BJ it is more to interrupt flow than to change outcome. The difference between 12 or 13 decks that reshuffle after every hand is minute. It is more like a floor man comming over and start talking to you, or the dealer reshuffling sooner, just things to change the flow of the players good luck.

 

[aka23]

When the casino changes the decks of cards on BJ it is more to interrupt flow than to change outcome. The difference between 12 or 13 decks that reshuffle after every hand is minute. It is more like a floor man comming over and start talking to you, or the dealer reshuffling sooner, just things to change the flow of the players good luck.

You mentioned 12 or 13 decks for BJ in the post above. Was this just an arbitrary number of decks you selected to make a point, or are some casinos using that many decks for BJ?

 

[lojo]

Zaqwert, a recently former software programmer for RTG, stated that the slots couldn't be set to <sic> "anything as crazy as 80%" in house.
I guess we'd have to know what occurs inhouse and what if anything occurs on the main RTG servers to speculate.
As Phyngster noted, it can be set in the casino, casino-wide, but not 'on the fly'. Do we know if it can be set @RTG? I don't.

I get tired of stating that it isn't necessary for a casino to cheat, that if I thought they did I wouldn't play, that luck - good and bad - comes in "clumps", etc. etc. if paranoi and superstition are to rule the day, so be it.

Three softwares that have been assured to be fair, even to the point of paytables not being changed in relation to betsize are:

• Microgaming circa Thunderstruck, Tombraider and newer. per Ed Ware and independent testing by Meister Members
• 3Dice per Enzo
• Playtech (@xxlclub) per their rep here

If I'm going to play on any other software, I'm gambling more than my wagers and will only do it for entertainment or to catch a streak (clump of good luck) and quit while I'm ahead. And though in the past I've said there must be something up with RTG (because I'm a sore loser and went through a few grand with a quickness) I'm not going to speculate or spread rumors without something more than anecdotal evidence, and if I tend to think it's fixed, I'll simply not flush my money down the hole.

 

[phynqster]

aka23,
12 or 13 decks was just an arbitary number of decks. The casino could set it from 1 to 270 decks. I personally never had it set for more than 8 decks and would sometime change it to single deck. I played once when at a casino that had it set to 270 decks and got a 9 card 20 2,1,2,1,1,5,3,2,3. That is when I realized it was stupid to use that many decks. I can say from experience that I have seen streaks of players winning and losing upwords of 19 out of 20 hands, and there is almost nothing you can do when you get on either streak. I will say I have seen much more bad streaks than good ones, I once had a player loose 12 straight hands where he played perfect strategy. I did give him a manager bonus, but as stated I have seen players win into the high 5 figures on many occassions with plain flat betting.
I will say this I think that the RTG software is as fair as possible and the results mirror the same % that a land based casino would have. I think the main problem is the operators!!!!! If you have a casino that you enjoy and trust than stay there, do not test the waters out there. Hopefully you will be in the right place when Lady Luck looks down on you and you have that big win, but till than remember it is just a game and have fun.

 

[lnspin]

You Say 'I will say this I think that the RTG software is as fair as possible "

But before this you say "I will say I have seen much more bad streaks than good ones"

In an honest enviorment wouldnt these numbers be about equal

 

[kakata]

Hopefully you will be in the right place when Lady Luck looks down on you and you have that big win, but till than remember it is just a game and have fun.


In my case, maybe lady luck gets dizzy looking down at me, thats one of the reason she never does...........

 

[cyprean]

[sarcasm]Well we could ask Ted and his henchmen at Virtual Casino Group for instructions on how to "make tricks" with players money with the RTG software. I am pretty sure they would know, and maybe they could give us a lesson for a reasonable amount of money.[/sarscasm]

I am seriously leaning towards that RTG casinos can pull off these tricks if they wish to do so.

 

[Atlanta]

i just dont trust rtg plain and simple

 

[winbig]

i just dont trust rtg plain and simple

So I guess everyone that posts winning RTG screenshots are shills? C'mon...just because there's a few bad apples doesn't mean the whole barrel is bad.

 

[Atlanta]

So I guess everyone that posts winning RTG screenshots are shills? C'mon...just because there's a few bad apples doesn't mean the whole barrel is bad.

Those are your words not mines. I said "I DON'T TRUST RTG." If anyone else decides they like RTG. More power to them!

 

[steinhaug]

So I guess everyone that posts winning RTG screenshots are shills? C'mon...just because there's a few bad apples doesn't mean the whole barrel is bad.

This is not how I read it. What I read is that several players had a very good streak, then the casino goes down. When the casino comes up again, for some reason it's a mighty loosing streak. Again - several players reported the same. In their winning streak they had winner shots, sure, but that was not the point at all.