Questioning Online Casino Rng's

Rapid_Reaper

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Just wondering if anyone can shine some light on this.
It's a fact that there is no such thing as random so that's not even up for debate. My question is why do Rng's use algorithms to produce results and what exactly are they based on? i suspect a lot of sinister programming going on.
A slot for example will payout its true rtp overall as this is regulated but what's to say algorithms aren't controlling everything with the aim of turning every player into daily depositors to maximise profits.
You see if i wanted to create a fair system that produced a result that neither myself or the player had any control over then i'd simply program it to cycle through every possible result at a very high fluctuating speed so that the timing of the player pressing spin would determine the result. This couldn't be manipulated, it's simplistic and transparent and the maths would ensure the rtp so why do they opt for all the cloak and daggers if it's all legit?
 

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You'd do well to do a little research on this subject as it's been discussed and debated more times over the last 20 years than ET and alien abductions. Seriously, poke around, you'll find that this has been done to death over and over and over again. A few examples:

How gaming companies utilize their RNG - Casinomeister Forum
Random Number Generators - Casinomeister Forum
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rng-is-not-always-random-thus-beatable.8244/
General question about RNG - Casinomeister Forum
RNG versus Program - Casinomeister Forum
A random question on the randomness of random RNG - Casinomeister Forum
RNG - Casinomeister Forum
RNG ? - Casinomeister Forum
RTP / RNG Question? - Casinomeister Forum
How does RNG work? - Casinomeister Forum
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rng-on-online-casinos.71404/

In technical terms there are a number of ways to produce rather good pseudo-random numbers, meaning that if you have a large enough sample set some patterns (often of negligible significance) can be detected. Truly random numbers are a little harder to come by but in practice that's more of a philosophical question than a practical one.
 
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Rapid_Reaper

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You'd do well to do a little research on this subject as it's been discussed and debated more times over the last 20 years than ET and alien abductions. Seriously, poke around, you'll find that this has been done to death over and over and over again. A few examples:

How gaming companies utilize their RNG - Casinomeister Forum
Random Number Generators - Casinomeister Forum
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rng-is-not-always-random-thus-beatable.8244/
General question about RNG - Casinomeister Forum
RNG versus Program - Casinomeister Forum
A random question on the randomness of random RNG - Casinomeister Forum
RNG - Casinomeister Forum
RNG ? - Casinomeister Forum
RTP / RNG Question? - Casinomeister Forum
How does RNG work? - Casinomeister Forum
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rng-on-online-casinos.71404/

In technical terms there are a number of ways to produce rather good pseudo-random numbers, meaning that if you have a large enough sample set some patterns (often of negligible significance) can be detected. Truly random numbers are a little harder to come by but in practice that's more of a philosophical question than a practical one.
Thanks, but i've just read all of those and none of them answer my questions.
Seems like the player just has to accept what operators say about fairness. It's smoke and mirrors that require faith just like religion and this pandemic.

1. They say each spin is independent yet i can give many examples where a result can only happen if something has occurred on a previous spin, so that's a proven lie. Eggomatic slot for example.
2. Casino's have the ability to alter rtp, why on earth is this allowed? This proves casinos have to ability to rig the whole game if they wanted to.
3. What's in those algorithms? and why even use them when i've already explained they're not needed to produce and fair result that can't be manipulated by either side?

It's a shame we can't run a test where we spin a result on a slot then go back in time 10 minutes and spin again, i'm sure it would result in an identical spin as the whole game is predetermined and the algorithms are based on players personal tendencies, credit checks, play time, deposits etc.
The live games use different methods for control, for example the wheel on Crazytime is legit but it's funny how the multiplier wheel doesn't stop until it's had enough time to predict where the big wheel will land.
Please prove me wrong.
 
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