What's Happened to Online Slots

I cannot start off on any smaller bets, they don't go any lower.

My luck is on the floor and RTP lower than that.

Never seem such a blatant rip off load of garbage in all my life, it is simply not random slotting, it is pure bullshit.

There is no 'D' in Bonanza and never will be unless you make videos, there are only 3 reels on DoA and Book of Dead has a very fitting name.

Rant over.
 
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I cannot start off on any smaller bets, they don't go any lower.

My luck is on the floor and RTP lower than that.

Never seem such a blatant rip off load of garbage in all my life, it is simply not random slotting, it is pure bullshit.

There is no 'D' in Bonanza and never will be unless you make videos, there are only 3 reels on DoA and Book of Dead has a very fitting name.

Rant over.
True, never got the D in bonanza today. :)
 
I cannot start off on any smaller bets, they don't go any lower.

My luck is on the floor and RTP lower than that.

Never seem such a blatant rip off load of garbage in all my life, it is simply not random slotting, it is pure bullshit.

There is no 'D' in Bonanza and never will be unless you make videos, there are only 3 reels on DoA and Book of Dead has a very fitting name.

Rant over.
The biggest clue that something has changed is the fact that even the supposedly lower variance slots are playing like the high variance of yesteryear.

Bonus rounds seem to have all but vanished.

Remember when 150-200 spins was deemed to be an unlucky session if you didn’t hit a bonus within them??

Remember the days of an actual base game??

Games like Immortal Romance, Finer Reels etc were deemed high variance monsters. They seem like a cake walk when looking back ?

True, peak wins were probably of lower value, but somehow it was more enjoyable having a balance that you could often recycle for multiple sessions. You could play for hours too without stupid pop ups and constant reminders about how long you’ve been playing for. So, on the rare occasions you do manage to preserve a balance you get bombarded with that crap…the irony being it’s at a time you least need an RG reminder. Go figure.

The whole set up is more hostile to players now…from RG crap right through to game mechanics and payouts.
 
I already posted this over here:

NetEnt: Wild Worlds - WTF??? - Casinomeister Forum

However it probably belongs better in this thread. It's basically my 'Why I've decided to quit online slots' post.

One thing I didn't include was that on balance, with things as they've become online, I'd rather just have a punt on the slots that can be found in our local pubs. For sure the percentages aren't great (92-94%) but they're really low volatility with a max pay of 250x/500x, and I'm happy enough to lob a few £20 notes at them and try my luck on £1 spins.

Obviously they're a losing proposition overall, but I've had quite a few decent wins on them over the years, and they remove all of the ballache and hassle associated with playing online these days too.

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The thing for me is there are other activities I like to do in my spare time, not anything particularly noble or interesting, but I love playing videogames (I've got basically all the consoles and a high-spec gaming PC), or watching something on the telly, or even just reading a book.

The limiting factor for me, honestly, is not money but time. As an adult bloke with a full time job and family and friends and whatnot, I only have so much spare time, so I like to do something with that spare time that I find enjoyable and presents the minimum of friction.

I like a gamble, I like a punt, but there is a threshold it can cross into being disagreeable or a pain in the arse where I will just stop doing it, and say, 'You know what, fuck it, I'll play a videogame instead'. (Or something else.)

Online slots are starting on a sticky wicket in that you're not 'buying' anything in the traditional sense, there is no product that you own once you've handed over the cash, you're paying for the excitement of having a gamble via what are (hopefully.....) well made games with high production values that are able to engage you as a player, you know, like the ones Microgaming used to make. Of course you can win some money along the way, which is the other big selling point, but when there's a permanent house edge of ~5%, one doesn't need to be a mathematical genius to work out where that one will ultimately end up - so in my books, online casinos have to be 'selling' something pretty good to justify that.

In the last few weeks I've started playing Warcraft Rumble on my tablet, it's a fun little game where you put together a cute army of 'minis' and go up against either AI opponents in campaign style missions, or other human beings in PvP matches. There's a lot of pay to win in there with the game throwing up obvious barriers that spending some money will get you through, and to date I've spent a modest chunk of cash on it, but honestly, at least I feel like I'm getting something for my money, even if it is only a digital collection of (endearing!) little digital units that don't even remotely exist outside the game. (And which will most likely get turned off at some point.)

Compare and contrast with VS, who despite taking money off me over many years (and looking at my lifetime account stats, they've had a solid chunk of cash off me), have seen fit to pull the rug from under me on a nice little one-liner that was making money for them, just not enough money, apparently - so they decided to stick the better part of another 70% onto their house edge, and not tell me about it when I loaded the game in.

Against that backdrop, and the increasingly player-hostile landscape of online slots in general (some of it regulatory, but an awful lot of it from the 'industry' itself), I find myself over that threshold where I just don't want to do it any more, I don't feel it's a worthy recipient of either my time, or my money.

There is an element of 'straw that broke the camel's back here', obviously, Double Fancy 7s getting nerfed hasn't immediately and violently made me throw my toys out of the pram whilst wailing 'NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR'. As many members here at CM will personally attest to, the world of online slots and online casinos today is very different (in a bad way!) to what it was ten years ago.

Even places where the casino and the games are totally solid, such as 3Dice, what with the crypto faff (and expense), or trying to sign up for something like Mifinity which fucked up on the registration process and left me in a weird sort of limbo where I can't get access to my account without emailing a support address, has now left me thinking 'I'm not sure I can be bothered with this any more', I've got pretty slick at buying and transferring crypto now, but it's still a lot of hoops to jump through, with multiple authenticators and verification steps just to get a deposit into a casino, and using Revolut because HSBC decided they didn't like crypto and either stopped my card working (debit card) or told me off for 'withdrawing cash' (credit card). The latter showed up as a negative indicator on my otherwise spotless credit report, hence the move to Revolut.

It's not the end of the world, and in many regards it was fun whilst it lasted, but as with many things in life, there is a point at which the correct decision is to walk away, and do something else.
 
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Well over last year I would say well up on slots.

Plenty playtime and withdrawals. Guess it all depends on the slots you play and where you play them.

Use Lottomart most and in profit there. But more importantly get lots of playtime.

Made first deposit in ages at VS on Thursday. Simple £20 deposit with 100% bonus that gets added as you play it.

Normally end up forfeiting it but this time cleared the full wagering also got XP for battles for full month and WB for Friday . Not to mention hours of play and a nice £450 withdrawal. Mind you a £420 win on the new sticky bandits slot from 20p bet helped.

Also had few good wins at Paddy Power over last week on that 2wild2die slot.

Like I say maybe it's just the games I play but I find deposits last same as always. Some lose others win with good playtime. But then again i mainly stay away from most megaways slots except diamond mine 2 which I do okay on. Also mostly stay away from Pragmatic and slots like dead or alive as they are boring and unless you get wildline just eat balance.
 
I much prefer the old days like 2008 to - 2016 Friday nights taking the 100% bonus match at most casinos like the Everymatrix brands and playing the old Netents, Microgaming etc many times I managed to cashout between 1k - 2k you couldn't win huge but often you got a reasonable cashout, nowdays they are all blatantly scripted game mechanics that you can shout out what's going to happen and be correct 99% of the time...I seen one person post on another well known forum that they have had over "20 max wins this year" as in 2023 I have played for over 20 years i have done millions of spins and wagered millions of ££££ and never had a max win on any slot, nowadays it's just scripted spins (want a great example of this play the new Gargantoonz slot, watch how many times you are on 15,16,17,18,19 and you just need 1 more connection from the drop down of new symbols and it misses 99% of the time, every now and again it will drop 2 wilds in side by side and miss 99% of the time) oh and go try the new Coba game from Elk, 1 symbol away from reaching the meter fill up and just need the correct symbol to drop down and connect it will miss 99% of the time in the same way as Gargantoonz, Golden Glyph games are the same, they are clearly heavily weighted to keep needed a symbol hit from new appearing symbols but miss 99% of the time oh and shit paying bonus rounds, dead spins and base games, I would go back to 2010 - 2014 in a heartbeat.
 
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Well over last year I would say well up on slots.

Plenty playtime and withdrawals. Guess it all depends on the slots you play and where you play them.

Use Lottomart most and in profit there. But more importantly get lots of playtime.

Made first deposit in ages at VS on Thursday. Simple £20 deposit with 100% bonus that gets added as you play it.

Normally end up forfeiting it but this time cleared the full wagering also got XP for battles for full month and WB for Friday . Not to mention hours of play and a nice £450 withdrawal. Mind you a £420 win on the new sticky bandits slot from 20p bet helped.

Also had few good wins at Paddy Power over last week on that 2wild2die slot.

Like I say maybe it's just the games I play but I find deposits last same as always. Some lose others win with good playtime. But then again i mainly stay away from most megaways slots except diamond mine 2 which I do okay on. Also mostly stay away from Pragmatic and slots like dead or alive as they are boring and unless you get wildline just eat balance.

For me though, the issue is with how adversarial the relationship has come to feel. I started this thread about playing at VS, and documented how, if you're prepared to have a poke around, you can still find a decent library of slots with solid RTPs and non-crazy variance.

Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works - Casinomeister Forum

I'm not saying it's impossible to have a decent experience, but when as a player you go to the time and effort to find some games you're comfortable with, and share that with other folks here at CM in case it's useful information for them too, and off the back of that VS go to the trouble to pull the 97% maths model of a game and replace it with the 95% maths model (a near 70% increase in the house edge) - for me personally, that's the point at which I decide to get off the train.

It's a toxic dynamic, and I won't encourage it with my money, the 97% version of Double Fancy 7s made a profit for VS as an absolute mathematical certainty, but someone made the decision that it should make more. That's fine, as a business that's their prerogative, but as a player it's also my choice to decide I've had enough, and spend my spare time and money on something else.

If other people treated you like that, you'd cut them out of your life. I've decided to do that with online casinos.
 
Lends us your time machine will you please. There is no way what you describe happens anymore.
It does actually.
I made a deposit at VS in July which I was still playing with in December when I made another deposit to claim another 100% bonus.
Over that time span I have withdrawn 7x my deposited amounts - and I am still playing with the residue.
I have no idea how I have gone on so long, except I did have 2 massive wins in August (1616x on Road Rage & 1754x on Sugar Rush) plus lots of smaller good wins.

During the same time, I tried MrV... and my deposits there disappeared in a POOF of smoke :(

KK
 
It does actually.
I made a deposit at VS in July which I was still playing with in December when I made another deposit to claim another 100% bonus.
Over that time span I have withdrawn 7x my deposited amounts - and I am still playing with the residue.
I have no idea how I have gone on so long, except I did have 2 massive wins in August (1616x on Road Rage & 1754x on Sugar Rush) plus lots of smaller good wins.

During the same time, I tried MrV... and my deposits there disappeared in a POOF of smoke :(

KK
That's because Mr. Vegas runs the 'steal my balance' RTP. Play'n Go is 91% the last time I checked.

I don't have an account there anymore, can anyone verify?

Nate
 
That's because Mr. Vegas runs the 'steal my balance' RTP. Play'n Go is 91% the last time I checked.

I don't have an account there anymore, can anyone verify?

Nate
no they change long time ago to 94% same RTP as videoslots
 
IMO, bonus buy features broke the games. It's been downhill ever since. Coupled with the fact that most casinos have slots on middle or low rtp settings.

And you can instantly see it when playing on lower rtp settings. Take book of dead for instance. Within 50 spins without even looking at the rtp setting you know if you're playing on lower settings. It's instantly noticeable.

Everything's worse for the player nowadays. Fewer and shittier bonuses, higher wr, lower rtp settings, bonus buy games. Then if you happen to win you're going to have to show every bank transaction you ever did the last 6 months. And some casinos ask for stuff they have no legal grounds to ask for like third party information etc.

It's a shit show, but still we play. :axeman2:
 
Your Rainbow Treasure of £ 0.28 for last week play at Mr Vegas has been credited to your account.

Well, that’s tonight sorted then. :rolleyes:
You need to speak to that leprechaun. Looks like he's been splitting all that gold with everyone else... and playing you ...

He's probably employed by BTG :p
 
It’s a shit show, but still we play. :axeman2:

I wonder for how much longer though?

I have cut my deposits down by around 75% and quite frankly I can’t be arsed with it anymore.

They say, “when the fun stops, stop” Well, I don’t see any fun in playing against underhanded providers who are manipulating games on the fly to rob you blind. Predatory programming in BTG’s case.


The volume of cash and players is on the decrease. Players are signing up to Gamstop in their droves and the ones who are left are being shafted to compensate for it.
 
IMO, bonus buy features broke the games. It's been downhill ever since. Coupled with the fact that most casinos have slots on middle or low rtp settings.

And you can instantly see it when playing on lower rtp settings. Take book of dead for instance. Within 50 spins without even looking at the rtp setting you know if you're playing on lower settings. It's instantly noticeable.

Everything's worse for the player nowadays. Fewer and shittier bonuses, higher wr, lower rtp settings, bonus buy games. Then if you happen to win you're going to have to show every bank transaction you ever did the last 6 months. And some casinos ask for stuff they have no legal grounds to ask for like third party information etc.

It's a shit show, but still we play. :axeman2:
good thing about crypto you dont need to cashout , you just send money from casino to casino find games they run on high RTP
 
I wonder for how much longer though?

I have cut my deposits down by around 75% and quite frankly I can’t be arsed with it anymore.

They say, “when the fun stops, stop” Well, I don’t see any fun in playing against underhanded providers who are manipulating games on the fly to rob you blind. Predatory programming in BTG’s case.


The volume of cash and players is on the decrease. Players are signing up to Gamstop in their droves and the ones who are left are being shafted to compensate for it.

Or not, as the case may be. (Taken from the latest issue of Private Eye, which takes a keen interest in the number of MPs who lobby on behalf of the gambling 'industry'.)

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IMO, bonus buy features broke the games. It's been downhill ever since. Coupled with the fact that most casinos have slots on middle or low rtp settings.

And you can instantly see it when playing on lower rtp settings. Take book of dead for instance. Within 50 spins without even looking at the rtp setting you know if you're playing on lower settings. It's instantly noticeable.

Everything's worse for the player nowadays. Fewer and shittier bonuses, higher wr, lower rtp settings, bonus buy games. Then if you happen to win you're going to have to show every bank transaction you ever did the last 6 months. And some casinos ask for stuff they have no legal grounds to ask for like third party information etc.

It's a shit show, but still we play. :axeman2:
Some of us don't. Games up for me in the UK. Zero enjoyment and even the crypto sites are rubbish as well. Think its the change to these ridiculously volatile games that's the problem.
 

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