clogs VS the casinos (rigged rtp, etc)

[clogs]

I play this game called shinning crown, it's such a scam. You hit a 10x an miss the next 10 spins, You hit a 50x, you miss the next 45 spins. I've had hundreds an hundreds an hundreds of sessions on this game an it just happens all the time, the bigger you hit, the more spins you will then miss, il never ever be convinced each spin is random, I've seen too many patterns of big hits then instantly machine goes deader than dead.

Another thing I noticed. Say I go from 50 to 200, it will eat everything until I go back down to 50 again an then hover around there for ages then just dead spin me out till I have a few spins left then hover around the 10 spins mark.

The game is 96.63% but I always lose, simply because as soon as you hit it just takes it all back immediately an then at some point you will get 10% rtp for 300 spins an you get wiped out

Shining crown an burning hot 20, one day the scandal will break that it's patterns of spins an not random individual spins an il say I knew it, I knew it, I knew it

Lets be honest, they're no way 96.63% is real when you lose every penny 95/100 times

 

[hubbadubbadingdong]

The RTP are exactly that or the fines places for cheating would be astronomical , you have to remember the RTP, is based on VLN Theory (VeryLarge Numbers) and not saying you spining 100 or 1000 or 10,000 Spins- You are looking at payouts over 10,000 of you spinning 10,000 times each second and then think of 10,000 players as a single set ; and then running 100,000 of these sets over a period of 4+ years , and RTP is averaged out over that time period.

While I do agree some slots the back end can be compremised; this would be site specific not so much legitimate verisons of the same recognized slot, Avoiding scams like anything is down to the end user , would be what site you play ?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Yes.

 

[The Reel Story]

Outside of (properly) regulated markets, anything is possible. Inside (properly) regulated markets, it's incredibly unlikely and also pretty pointless when considering the risk vs reward.

 

[clogs]

I play shining crown an burning hot 20, the problem is every 10 sessions you can build a good balance, but you never know when because say you double your balance the machine can easily give you back 10%rtp on the next 150 spins an because it's volatile you don't know to leave after 20, 40, 80, 100 dead spins because it could have dropped in a nice hit or stopped dead spinning at some point an you keep building.

Honestly it's the most demoralizing game, 1 second you are hitting 1/5 spins, next minute you can't hit 1/50 an then you hit a 10x an think ok it's stopped dead spinning, an then you miss the next 50 again.

Just wiped me out, built $900 profit all night, took it all off me in 15 mins, feeling so low.

 

[L&L-Jan]

Bounce after 5 of a kind melons/plums/sevens hit

 

[snorky510238]

I find the best rule of thumb is cash out when your balance drops by 10%. I only apply it to balances of £100 or more.

So once you have a balance of £500 (dreaming I know). Don’t go below £450, etc.

You would have cashed at £810.

 

[Deanna]

Ack, I know that feeling! I had almost $2300 last weekend off a $35 deposit. Ask me how much I cashed out? But that being said, I had hella fun playing on it for a few days.

 

[slotmaster]

Oh wow, $900 I am cashing out at least $500 but maybe more depends on how much more I want to play but do put too much back in now and again and probably everyone does.

 

[KasinoKing]

Oh wow, $900 I am cashing out at least $500 but maybe more depends on how much more I want to play but do put too much back in now and again and probably everyone does.

Just remember, if we all won and cashed-out all the time - there wouldn't be any online casinos!

KK

 

[slotmaster]

Just remember, if we all won and cashed-out all the time - there wouldn't be any online casinos!

KK

Brings back memories for my local casino where they added a hotel and my grandma asked wonder where they got the money? My dad goes it was not built on winners. All the people who lost money.

 

[OliverCooper]

I can imagine how overwhelming it was in the moment. But don't think about it for long. Unfortunately there is no single working scheme. Most often you have to rely on chance

 

[clogs]

Yeah, up an down on an insanely tense all over the place sessions,, went down from a grand to 30 a few times an crash saved me, then sods law when I was 200 from my withdrawal goal crash took it back

Ironically on my last roll I went from 30 to 250 on crash to try to get to 1300, but got to 1150 an lost it all, but that crash went to 50x an I could a had it all then but bottled it even though I said just let it go up an up an see what happens

So gutted, was a win I needed to cover some future loses, an I just blew it

I never capitalise on lucky streaks where I'm up big after being saved a few times after battling for hours an hours, I always give it back in a short period once my brain is fried an I've upped the stakes but my luck has turned to dust an I can't appreciate to just take the win that was 90% of my top amount

Hate it when you lose 90% of the balance an you miraculously get back to touching distance to call it a night but it all goes

Worse is I was looking at shoes when Id withdrawn 700, which I later put back on an lost, an now google adds constantly showing me those shoes

 

[snorky510238]

@clogs, who needs shoes?

 

[clogs]

What are the odds that after you hit a 36x hit on a fruit game you get back a total of 10x from the next 100 spins. Anytime you build a bit of momentum and get your balance in profit your rtp drops to 10% for the next 200 spins an it just wipes you out. Seen it happen again an again an again. The uk was eating horsemeat in every supermarket product for years, so companies rigging slots would be no surprise.

 

[snorky510238]

Online gambling is a *>!~~*g disgrace. Absolutely blatant cheating going on and nobody can (or chooses not to) do a thing about it. The stats are disgusting. Not a cat in hells chance that you’re getting a fair game. It’s absolute bullshit!

 

[clogs]

I truly think it's rigged, not a chance these online casinos have 96% rtp games, give back 2% rtp in rakeback. An use the remaining 2% to pay all the providers, the live staff, the security teams, the internet providers, the power companies, the taxes, ,the backroom staff like, the lawyers an accountants, an then make a profit

 

[snorky510238]

And they used to give out 100% bonuses, like confetti, bonus spins and pay affiliates. Yeah go figure! It’s time to call foul (long overdue actually) on this cheating, scamming industry. It’s filth!

 

[Lemon]

You've got base games than return 30-40% RTP everywhere these days - of course your money's going to go down at a quicker rate. It's to entice you into committing to playing for a bonus, as that's where the money is. If the bonus hit rate is 1 in 150 spins, they want an average of 150 spins' worth of money in total play from you every time you load the game up.

The base game will not sustain your balance in any way on today's slots. Years ago you could easily float around the break-even mark on some base games for a reasonable amount of spins if you were lucky. You might get in front and leave early, and that's not what online casinos want.

Not a fucking chance in hell of that today; the base game is nothing more than a front-game where you pay for the bonus. Give us your fucking money quickly and we'll chuck a bonus at you, a lot of which are high-variance as well. There's nothing to match the feeling of losing £35 at 20p a spin in Sugar Rush to get a bonus that goes for £0.73 is there?

 

[clogs]

Sugar rush has been good to me lol, but shining crown which doesn't have bonuses is supposed to be 96.37%, but at times over 300 spins you are left with 10% of your balance

 

[snorky510238]

You've got base games than return 30-40% RTP everywhere these days - of course your money's going to go down at a quicker rate. It's to entice you into committing to playing for a bonus, as that's where the money is. If the bonus hit rate is 1 in 150 spins, they want an average of 150 spins' worth of money in total play from you every time you load the game up.

The base game will not sustain your balance in any way on today's slots. Years ago you could easily float around the break-even mark on some base games for a reasonable amount of spins if you were lucky. You might get in front and leave early, and that's not what online casinos want.

Not a fucking chance in hell of that today; the base game is nothing more than a front-game where you pay for the bonus. Give us your fucking money quickly and we'll chuck a bonus at you, a lot of which are high-variance as well. There's nothing to match the feeling of losing £35 at 20p a spin in Sugar Rush to get a bonus that goes for £0.73 is there?

Yes, that is partly the problem and of course, because the all games nowadays are pretty much, high variance, their backs are covered all ways. If you hit 7 or 8 complete shockers in a row that pay less than x20, that could easily have cost you 1k, they just say, it’s to be expected with HV.

 

[clogs]

I'm not saying you never get in profit but if you get up 150x all of a sudden instead of bouncing around like you have been for 30 mins the slot just dies an in 200 spins it's just taken back every penny of profit, it's so rigged

 

[snorky510238]

Yep, just like a compensated slot would do. Which is exactly what these heaps of shit are. It’s just that sometimes/most-times, they forget to give you any compensation.

 

[clogs]

Each spin is supposed to be independent, yet suddenly I miss 50 spins after hitting a 50x, I just don't believe it

 

[snorky510238]

Each spin is supposed to be independent, yet suddenly I miss 50 spins after hitting a 50x, I just don't believe it

It’s complete and utter bullshit. Not a chance that each spin is independent. Providers try their best to disguise the FACT that they are compensated but you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.

To the trained eye, it is impossible not to see what is going on. Some days, you can do thousands of spins and every result seems like it’s been pulled from the rng from hell.

Well guess what, that’s because it has. On certain days, the Hollywood spins are not even available. The mother compensator or whatever you want to call it, ensures that the game makes the required profit before spitting a bit back.

I guarantee this is how it works. Nothing random about it at all. But of course, the way it’s all set up means that these scamming, cheating thieves can never be questioned or have to answer to anybody.