I always knew the advertised rtp is a lie!

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I will try to keep this as short as possible, I am addicted to online slots, I lost alot and I won alot. Past 2 years I dont play as much as I used to be because my deposits dont last anymore. 200 can be gone in 20 mins playing 0.4 spins. The very few times I made a profit its when I hit something like 5000x and then there will be absoulitly nothing for a long time. Slots became So volatile Even the games that used to be low/meduim volatility I feel like the math was changed or something. Now its not uncommon to go 700 spins without a bonus to finally land one that pays x10 or less ?

I own a phone repair shop, I have a customer who brings me lots of phones for repairs, he became loyal to the shop since I once repaired his phone for a very low fee and within 5 mins when another two shops asked fpr a big sum. A week ago I hit an outstanding 14500x on zeus vs hades from buying a super bonus, As I was discussing this win with a fellow friend in my shop, this loyal customer overheard us. He didnt day anything at first but when he came back to collect the tablette, he approached me and asked if he can go behind the counter. The dude sat next to me, took his phone and told me: Plz stop gambling, you will lose all your money. You have a good heart please dont ruin your life. Im gonna show you something that maybe can make you stop.

In his phone he proceed to show me the stats for the last year for the freaking most popular online casino in my country. He is the owner. Slots rtp are 79% with the biggest offenders being pragmaticplqu at 74% and hacksaw at 76% then wazdan at 77% then playngon at 80%... I couldnt believe my eyes. He proceed to show me the stats for the year before and 3 years ago and then 4 years ago... The overall rtp 4 years ago was 88% then it kept declining over the years. From what I was shown the only provider that had a fair consistent rtp was pg soft with 95% and there is 3oaks/boongo with 92%


The amount wagered every year is so big that its impossible to bring the rtp to the claimed numbers shown on the games. I was absoloutly in shock, when he left I reopened every damn pragmaticplay game on his casino and every single slot was claiming max possible rtp version 96% and over.

If 4 years are not enough to make the slots hit something close to the advertised rtp then how much time is needed? How is it legal to advertise 96% when the real rtp is way below that?? If someone familiar with pragmaticplay servers, in this casino when you play a game it connects to a server named: agp-dk3.pragmaticplay...
Yes I inspected the games and they are not fake. I focus on pragmatic because its the most popular provider in my country and the amounts wagered over 4 years is do big that I could possibly buy half my city with it if not all of it ?.
 
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He owns a casino but worries about repair costs for his phone? Sounds likely
Why is he bringing you lots of phones to repair? Does he have a sideline of refurbishing used phones, along with his ownership of the most popular casino in your country?
Also, this males no sense "The amount wagered every year is so big that its impossible to bring the rtp to the claimed numbers shown on the games"
Billions are wagered on roulette every day and the rtp is always 97.3%. That's because the rtp is inherent in the game
Slots are very much more complicated but still the rtp is inherent in the game. No one is trying to "make it reach the rtp". If you have a million possible spin variations and the total payout of all those spins would equal 95% of the money wagered, then the rtp is 95%

To put it short, unless you can provide adequate proof that slots are paying out at 80% rtp longterm then this is just another nonsense post making silly claims with no basis
 
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To put it short, unless you can provide adequate proof that slots are paying out at 80% rtp longterm then this is just another nonsense post making silly claims with no basis
Pretty much this - while some providers offer sub-90% math models, they're not that common yet and of the big names I can only think of PlayNGo (84%, 87%) and LnW (88%) off the top of my head.

For this story to have any basis in reality, either all the providers are bent (one of them might be, all of them is a significant leap), or the casino itself is bent; or much more likely the "owner" is making it up...

I don't for a minute believe that gambling is as clean as some in the industry may suggest - its history goes hand in hand with criminality, and we see plenty of it to this day (fake streamers, rogue operators, pirated games etc).

But for all of those moving parts to orchestrate a crime with no evidence at all? Many of them couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery...

Now if the OP had suggested they are skimming a couple of percent off the top - that's very likely given modern slot design... and TRTP not being fit for purpose is a recurring discussion on here.
 
Slots are absolutely rigged

Imagine someone saying until you hit that 1 in 15 million hit your going to be running at 80% and until you hit that 1 in a million your going to be running at 75%, and until you hit that 1 in 100,00 your running at 70% and until you hit that 1 in 10,000 your running at 65%

Most people lose their whole balance 9/10x they play, deposit after deposit after deposit.

Easy to go on repeated cold death runs when you don't get those nice top up wins, which is where they bankrupt people.
 
Some experts below are explaining very clearly how RTPs actually should work ;)


A fair point but wholly out of context unless you mention deviation parameters - those are the most important factor when considering slot performance based on a fractional part of the huge number of spins the games are (allegedly) tested across. That of course is then related to overall volatility.

Sounds like he expects to put $1 in the slot and get out 96c in the payout tray every spin.
 
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