RTP / RNG Question?

4 of a kind

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Multi-denomination machines mean a machine that gives the player the options of choosing between different denominations, be it pennies, nickels, quarters, or dollars.

In both Atlantic City and Las Vegas, the game program chip in multi-denomination slot machines includes separate programs for each different denomination. Each game has its own theoretical payback percentage, as chosen by the casino. Casinos almost always choose higher payback programs for each higher denomination. They have the option to have them programmed with all the same RTP settings or of course for each denomination everyone could be set different. Regardless what the settings are for each denomination, they still require their own separate program for each. This includes stand alone machines and server based machines.

My question is when we play the “Real Series Slots” at any RTG casino which is a multi-denomination slot machine; do each different denomination also have their own program with individual RTP settings like land based casinos?

I remember Dogboy once explaining the more you bet the more chances you have of hitting the random, but I don’t recall him saying anything about each denomination running off of their own program and setting.

We’ve been told that RTG only have the options of 3 different settings, although I also recall they might have added another one. Does this mean that whatever setting they choose from their options that all the different denominations are running off that one program option and all are using the same RTP? If they do in fact run off their own program, meaning individual programs for each denomination, are they only limited to the 3 or 4 settings available for each individual program?

It would be refreshing if any casino rep could clarify at least with this one system, how in fact different denomination machines work with online casinos.
 

jod5413

Is That Better?
Really good question and one I would love to be answered, preferably in language I can understand. I never thought of it being a separate program for different bet sizes.

I loved Dogboy's posts, but I often had to ask others help in deciphering them. I didn't understand why a higher bet should increase the odds of winning a jackpot. It makes sense but I didn't get the how-to-do-that part.
 

takethemoney

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I used to deposit larger amounts, say $500, vs. $50. When playing with $50 I tend to bet no more than 20c, maybe up to 40c, if I am up. A 1$ bet will get you higher yields, while a 20c bet is considered scared money and will act like it. I believe the casinos have programmed their worst payouts into the lower echelon of bets. Vegas payouts indicate this, but this is not a hidden fact. Your best odds are at the $2-$5 level on slots at RTG, but most will not play at that level and cannot afford to do so. The casino makes most of their money on the $50 "grinds", because the vast majority of them will lose all of their deposits and most of them are most likely bonus players who seek the largest bonus so they can enhance their playing time. Seldom do they make playthough on their bonus. A $50 depositor should never take a bonus, but really, nobody should, in all reality. I would lay odds that the casinos make most of their money from the low rollers.
 

Nate

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I asked the exact same question a year or 2 ago. I cannot recall who answered it, but I was told that it remains the same irrelevant of Coin Size.

Nate
 

4 of a kind

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I asked the exact same question a year or 2 ago. I cannot recall who answered it, but I was told that it remains the same irrelevant of Coin Size.

Nate
If that is true under what format do you think would give the casino a better edge?

Might be a question for the Wizard.
 

WB_Carter

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Some people will say the bet size doesn't matter. I tend to disagree. More often then none. I can play a slot the is paying well at .25 to .75 range. And as soon as I hit $1.25+ all goes to hell in a hand basket. That this will with a $350+ Balance from betting .50 early on.
 

quber

Senior Member
Not sure about the coin size changing RTP but regards the Random JP and higher stake:

When the JP resets it chooses at random the next payout amount, lets say $5,432.10, this will pay to the player who plays the spin that puts the bonus on to that figure.

If, for example, 10% of a the stake is added to the jackpot then a player playing at 20c will be adding 2c to the jackpot so his window of opportunity is small, the JP would have to be 08 or 09 in the cents column for this player to hit it whereas a player playing at $10 a spin is contributing $1 so his window of opportunity is a lot larger.

Slightly related to this is the question of whether to use the stop button when the reel is spinning, even though stopping the reels doesn't affect the outcome of any individual spin, if the JP is about to pay then you will have more hits at it than a player playing at normal speed but this would only help if you knew when it was going to pay. :D
 

4 of a kind

Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll
Not sure about the coin size changing RTP but regards the Random JP and higher stake:

When the JP resets it chooses at random the next payout amount, lets say $5,432.10, this will pay to the player who plays the spin that puts the bonus on to that figure.

How did you find this information out as confirmed fact?
 

Repro

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How did you find this information out as confirmed fact?
Actually casinopeople explained this to me a very long time ago.

It seems the jackpot hits at a "random predefined" amount of "signals". Let's say it hits at 10 million signals. A player who spins at $1 sends 10 signals to the jackpot (each spin), while a player who spins at $10 sends 100 signals to that same jackpot.

You just have to be the lucky one to send the right - 10 millionth in this example - signal, couldn't be easier :p
 

Nifty29

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Actually casinopeople explained this to me a very long time ago.

It seems the jackpot hits at a "random predefined" amount of "signals". Let's say it hits at 10 million signals. A player who spins at $1 sends 10 signals to the jackpot (each spin), while a player who spins at $10 sends 100 signals to that same jackpot.

You just have to be the lucky one to send the right - 10 millionth in this example - signal, couldn't be easier :p
Yes, dogboy said something about the software basically asking "Yes or No" after each spin and that it did work similar to the above. However, I can't remember the exact explanation.

Might have to check out the backend for that one.
 

zap987

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The simplest way to program this is that a chance to hit the jackpot is set, lets say 1 in 10.000.000, this number decides how often the jackpot will be hit on average.

When you spin, the server rolls a random number between 1 and 10.000.000. It then compares this number to your bet, for example if you bet $1 you will win the jackpot if the random number is from 1-100 which would give a 1 in 100.000 chance to win on each spin, while if you bet $5 you would have 500 chances in 10.000.000 (1 in 20.000) to win the jackpot.
 

Nate

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If that is true under what format do you think would give the casino a better edge?

Might be a question for the Wizard.
Difficult to say. I would assume that the lower denominations bring a better profit to the Casinos in that they have a lower RTP - They also outnumber the high denomination slots, so it would be safe to assume they bring in the majority of the money. This remains true in Brick and Mortar Casinos.

The philosophy behind upping the RTP on higher denominations is that you DO NOT want to rape your patrons with an 8% hold percentage. People wouldn't play these machines at higher stakes if their returns were so poor.

Maybe you could PM a Rep from an Accredited Operation and pose the question?

Nate
 

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