Providers moving the goal posts

[goatwack]

How do you react with the "haha" thingy?
I only have "thanks" and the normal thumbs up.

It's in the Smiley thread Bryan started......you need to have posted a certain amount or have been a member for so many years

I think

 

[Kroffe]

It's in the Smiley thread Bryan started......you need to have posted a certain amount or have been a member for so many years

I think

Who is Bryan? Are you talking about Stern-man?
Its gonna take me years to make my account a few years older, i cant wait that long.
If i pm you when i wanna emoji-laugh at someones post, maybe you could do it for me?

 

[goatwack]

Who is Bryan? Are you talking about Stern-man?
Its gonna take me years to make my account a few years older, i cant wait that long.
If i pm you when i wanna emoji-laugh at someones post, maybe you could do it for me?

Deal

 

[Kroffe]

Deal

Neat!

 

[trancemonkey]

How do you react with the "haha" thingy?
I only have "thanks" and the normal thumbs up.

If you're on a phone, hold your finger on the like. If you're on the computer, you need to hold ctrl, shift and del at the same time and then click "Shutdown". Then you will see a list of reactions. I think.

 

[judgenico]

Inconsistent... as if it were somehow random?

i see my wording can read like that trance maybe what i should of said was the inconsistence between the two versions pre html and the later i just feel they play different im not complaining about my lack of luck as i understand randomness,take my expieriance on doa 2 for example pre html version had loads of wildlines, since latest version ive not hit one and ive hammered that game but still i feel this game plays the same

 

[IM_SPORTS]

i believe u mate ive had thunderkick games go completely dead on me at the past , thousand spin on a game no bonus nothing really. its like they flip a switch.

 

[chuchu59]

You can say they are wrong and even unethical but so long as the overall rtp is what they advertised they are not moving the goalposts. I recall some years ago RTG toyed with some of their slots (t-rex comes into mind) and the number of free spins in the bonus rounds were reduced significantly especially when you got 5 eggs. After the revamp, the reels were not spinning in the same way as before. No problem with that but the number of free spins were not the same as before. As players, the only thing we can do is either question whether the rtp has changed. Alternatively, change to other slots or slots from other providers.

 

[IM_SPORTS]

at the end of the day these providers can do whatever they want to do.

 

[snorky510238]

It just seems a massive coincidence it happened immediately after the game being unavailable. It wasn’t because they were recovering from bird flu, was it!

 

[lordblucan]

I was about to open a very similar thread a few days ago but I did not do it yet.
In my case I strongly believe Quickspin did change their slots, the way they have distributed the payouts, frequency of bonus features etc etc.
I play Quickspin a lot and have had some really nice hits on them.
Particularly I love Hot Sync and Ivan & The Immortal King and have played these slots many many many times.
--snip--

Did somebody else here share the same feeling?

I strongly believe significant changes were made to Ivan and the Immortal King since the initial release. I played it a lot and it felt completely different to the current version. I've given up on it now as it plays exactly as you describe at every casino I frequent.

 

[dionysus]

ive found quickspin, to be pretty much garbage from the get-go.....a hopefully good return being 50x

generally lower, rarely cracking 100x

 

[johnnymcc1966]

ive found quickspin, to be pretty much garbage from the get-go.....a hopefully good return being 50x

generally lower, rarely cracking 100x

If you give quite frequent bonuses,as Quickspin seem to do,its inevitable most will pay low returns.

 

[Greigssy]

For all the Megaways get a lot of stick, they don't devour a balance as fast as other slots these days.

I've been playing all day mostly Megaways and both DOA so £17.40 left after a nice WD,
Load up Napoleon 25 auto at 0.20 and not for the first time 25 dead spins, so sack that and see something shiny and new 'Raging Storms' by IGT.

Set it at 50 auto on 0.25, start with 2 walking wilds but nothing from them, finally bust out at 49 spins, 46 dead and 3 paying £0.05.
I don't know why IGT bother, why make a slot with so many empty spins, another one for the bin.

 

[Siohmy]

For all the Megaways get a lot of stick, they don't devour a balance as fast as other slots these days.

I've been playing all day mostly Megaways and both DOA so £17.40 left after a nice WD,
Load up Napoleon 25 auto at 0.20 and not for the first time 25 dead spins, so sack that and see something shiny and new 'Raging Storms' by IGT.

Set it at 50 auto on 0.25, start with 2 walking wilds but nothing from them, finally bust out at 49 spins, 46 dead and 3 paying £0.05.
I don't know why IGT bother, why make a slot with so many empty spins, another one for the bin.

Close to spot on summary of almost all new slots. Megaways, due to their structure tend to give more play, although some are still pretty brutal. Most line slots have increasingly insane dead spin runs to cover larger pays. Pretty dispiriting by and large.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I have a few thoughts on this,

A VIP employee once wrote to me, that all people's wagering (or deposits) is randomly being distributed with a RTP of approx 97%. So games are always within bound to the limit on what people wager on average. This is called server sided gaming and it makes sense. Local casino's do this for a longer time. Big blocks of 12, 16 machines, all people's wagering equally distributed or some shit. You cant really break the casino by this model, and that's exactly why they are deploying it. This goes out for the slots tho.

Some games are at the beginning very hot, being played alot, and at some point new games come into play. To make the new games now more hot, the RTP is being set a tad more positive to the new games, and the older games gets less. This seem to be in effect from games from one and the same provider. I can get a really good shot at one game, and have a terrible result on another game. I used to play one particular game by Pragmatic, this fun pretty much ended not so long ago which kind of made me force to play another game.

Trust me, i came back with a bankroll big enough to last as long as possible, to be finally beat down and have the worst day of my life feeling. You know they changed something when you cant hit spacebar anymore which make the spin instant stop. You have to kind of sit it out. A important element is taken out of the game, and thats when you know, they've touched it and mangled it down.

The game with the cups, i dont know the name, but i've punched nummerous (buying) sessions and finally getting wrecked over. Out of 50 buys only one retrigger with a lowzy, 5 extra spins came along. Bonus buys in between 100 and 2000 euro. That game was nerfed as f. So yeah if a casino states we offer 97% RTP, and as long as it counts in the numbers its legal, right? The way they implement that is up to them. To me it sounds very unfair if these where practices that are slowly evolving, just to keep a longer hold-up time, just to extend players playing some more, and more important, depositting more. The variance online is just crazy.

Landbased i could tell hey this will hit in less then 5 minutes. Online? Geezus.

 

[trancemonkey]

For all the Megaways get a lot of stick, they don't devour a balance as fast as other slots these days.

I've been playing all day mostly Megaways and both DOA so £17.40 left after a nice WD,
Load up Napoleon 25 auto at 0.20 and not for the first time 25 dead spins, so sack that and see something shiny and new 'Raging Storms' by IGT.

Set it at 50 auto on 0.25, start with 2 walking wilds but nothing from them, finally bust out at 49 spins, 46 dead and 3 paying £0.05.
I don't know why IGT bother, why make a slot with so many empty spins, another one for the bin.

That IGT game is nothing to do with me, before anyone points fingers... the feedback I gave on that game was less than positive.

 

[Greigssy]

That IGT game is nothing to do with me, before anyone points fingers... the feedback I gave on that game was less than positive.

Yeah it's not great although I've been playing Pyramidion and that seems quite good.
The main FS bonus doesn't come in often but the respin bonus triggering on 2 scatters comes in fairly often and usually pays ok, I had 100x which is more than I got for the one and only FS bonus I've had in 600 spins.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yeah it's not great although I've been playing Pyramidion and that seems quite good.
The main FS bonus doesn't come in often but the respin bonus triggering on 2 scatters comes in fairly often and usually pays ok, I had 100x which is more than I got for the one and only FS bonus I've had in 600 spins.

Glad you enjoy it! Again, nothing to do with me though

 

[snorky510238]

Okay I asked a couple of the casinos mentioned at the start of this thread to look into this issue for me. Not that I expected for one second for them to side with me, more just to see their response.

I know it’s over a relatively short period but seasoned players know when something is out of order so to speak.

My rtp at Casumo over about 4 weeks and around 12 deposits plus money won from other games came back at 43%. Similar at Unibet came out at 32%. I eased off the game a lot but decided to give it a few more tries just to see if it was going through a lean spell.

My latest at Bet Victor left me in no doubt whatsoever the game has been altered drastically. £160 of my own money (plus recycled) mainly played at 50p and a few spins at £1 brought me 2 bonuses at x22 and x16 before I went £120 straight plus recycled without a bonus. Best wins were x23, x22, x16 and x11 all others below x10. My rtp was 17%.

This is not just enough to stop me playing this particular game altogether but enough to make me ask myself if it’s worth bothering at all.

 

[Guntis]

Okay I asked a couple of the casinos mentioned at the start of this thread to look into this issue for me. Not that I expected for one second for them to side with me, more just to see their response.

I know it’s over a relatively short period but seasoned players know when something is out of order so to speak.

My rtp at Casumo over about 4 weeks and around 12 deposits plus money won from other games came back at 43%. Similar at Unibet came out at 32%. I eased off the game a lot but decided to give it a few more tries just to see if it was going through a lean spell.

My latest at Bet Victor left me in no doubt whatsoever the game has been altered drastically. £160 of my own money (plus recycled) mainly played at 50p and a few spins at £1 brought me 2 bonuses at x22 and x16 before I went £120 straight plus recycled without a bonus. Best wins were x23, x22, x16 and x11 all others below x10. My rtp was 17%.

This is not just enough to stop me playing this particular game altogether but enough to make me ask myself if it’s worth bothering at all.

Seems like we are paying to casinos to let us play on their platforms without the financial return...

It's becoming very expensive entertainment for us gamblers...

 

[snorky510238]

Seems like we are paying to casinos to let us play on their platforms without the financial return...

It's becoming very expensive entertainment for us gamblers...

I have only been playing online a fairly short time but in that period I have seen a massive change. I am not imagining it I have a very good memory. A few years ago it really felt like you were playing slots with 96% rtps. You had a decent chance of winning imo.

Nowadays it doesn’t feel like that at all. It feels no different than playing an AWP with an 85% payout. The main thing I can’t help noticing is that your sessions are hot or cold, never a mix. You either seem to win or lose instantly. It just feels very sinister.

 

[nutnut]

The casinos no longer wish to give plays fun time. It's simply take your money as quickly as possible.

 

[Spikie]

@snorky510238

Personally i feel the hot and cold sessions are due to the higher volatility games that are more in favour nowadays. I have turned small deposits into thousands , and also lost many deposits in seconds

People need that excitement from big hits . The trend in game design is going towards the bigger hits. So there must be a counter reaction in what feels like colder sessions.

 

[snorky510238]

I pretty much gave up going to the casino as online used to be better value. I have decided to switch again now as the tide has turned.