Major Absolute Poker Issue

[Keyser]

Ummmm... off-topic? Let's keep this thread about AP.

Sorry, I couldnt help it. I am an M.D. and his post screams "Manic depressive right here!" that I couldnt help it. But he could be faking the whole thing. Who knows.

About AP, why can't we just get a third party like the Wizard of Odds to analyze the data in question and know for sure one way or the other?

 

[lots0]

About AP, why can't we just get a third party like the Wizard of Odds to analyze the data in question and know for sure one way or the other?

That would be cool.

But who ever the independent is, CM or the Whiz, they need to see the raw data.

 

[mussy]

I'm dizzy from going backwards and forwards between sites over this, so I'm sorry if this has already been linked to, but have you seen Jennifear's analysis of the HHs

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[Adanthar]

Well I just asked Adanthar for a copy of the email in question.

Just to ease Adanthar's fears, I publicly promise that I will not release any personally identifiable information to the public. I hope that is good enough.

Now I guess I can sit back and wait for the AP hand history and the email from Adanthar.

it will be good to see some evidence.

You'll have email in a second.

 

[GaryWatson]

I think we are going in circles.

I would close the thread and give AP a week to respond.

If anything, it proves that the regulators are only tax collectors. Worthless IMO

 

[pokeraddict]

Lots0, obviously we have not seen eye to eye about this but I hope what you see will bring you to the same point the rest of us are. I assume AP has yet to email you the master hh as requested?

 

[TheZodiac]

I'm dizzy from going backwards and forwards between sites over this, so I'm sorry if this has already been linked to, but have you seen Jennifear's analysis of the HHs

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[jetset]

The Watchdog said:

"I really dislike tons of forum posters pretending to know about Poker security and everyone goes around analyzing hands and figures they don't even get."

I think you may be grossly underestimating the smarts and capability of many members of the player community.

 

[The Dude]

You'll have email in a second.

Go ahead and send me a copy. I'd like to see this.

I'll also contact the Wizard and Eliot Jackobson (who is a member of this forum) and see if they can look into this.

 

[lots0]

Lots0, obviously we have not seen eye to eye about this but I hope what you see will bring you to the same point the rest of us are. I assume AP has yet to email you the master hh as requested?

I did receive the excel file from Adanthar (Thank you).

But I have yet to see the hh from AP (I didn't really expect it until later today or tomorrow).

Looking over the file (i really hate excel files, they are so hard to work with)
it is a space delineated file, real sloppy. I have someone working on some code to get it all parsed out.

According to a press release that Jetset just posted, AP has engaged gamingassociates.com to act as a third party to investigate the accusations against AP.

I would like to add that this it's about f***** time...

 

[pokeraddict]

According to a press release that Jetset just posted, AP has engaged gamingassociates.com to act as a third party to investigate the accusations against AP.

The problem is that Gamingassociates doesn't seem to be independant. They really need to have a thrid party do the audit, not something owned or at least asociated with KGC.

 

[lots0]

The problem is that Gamingassociates doesn't seem to be independant.

What do you mean? Why do you say that?

As far as I know gamingassociates.com is one of, if not the most, trusted name in gambling.

I don't want to be nitpicky here, but just who do you think should do the audit... The Pope???

Here is a list of the consultants that GA uses:

Dr Aftab Rizvi PhD, M Phil, M Sc, BSc, Post Grad Dip, CISSP, CISM, MBA
Aftab is the world's first tester of regulated internet based gaming systems, commencing internet gaming systems testing in 1997.

Previously Director of Technology and responsible for all aspects of the technical evaluation of internet casinos for MGM Mirage, Littlewoods, Hard Rock Casino, Lasseters Online, The Ritz Club London, and a number of other operators, has exposure to more than a dozen of internet gaming and wagering products and operating environments. Aftab has also been involved in numerous gap analyses of e-commerce systems, including internet gaming systems, products and development environments, around the world.

Aftab is a principal consultant .
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Alan Pedley AssDip, AIEA
Alan pioneered all technology-based gambling regulation in the Northern Territory, establishing the world's first regulated internet gambling requirements and industry. Alan has been auditing interactive wagering control systems since the mid-1990's; consulting to some of the world's leading wagering and gaming companies since Dec-1998, in relation to information governance and risk management. Alan established the world's first internet gambling regulations enabling regulated interactive gambling industries .

Alan is recognised internationally as a leading expert of information governance in technology-based wagering and gaming industries. He has appeared as an expert witness before government reviews into technology-based gambling since early as 1995 (including the Australian Senate Review into Australia's Online Gambling Industry).

Alan is a principal consultant .
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Dr Amir Chishti Ph D, M Sc, B Sc, Dip, Post Grad Dip
Amir specialises in e-commerce systems development, evaluation, and related project management.

He has been involved in the evaluation of complex internet gambling systems since 1999 .

Amir is a senior consultant .
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Anton Robbertse Dip
Data architecture practitioner with domestic and international success in implementing data architecture principles within diverse organisations.

More than 15 years experience in the data architecture area, ranging from enterprise architecture to creating physical data models.

Demonstrated success with:
practical implementation of data architecture in adherence to enterprise architecture;
data modelling (enterprise, logical, physical and star schema) using various toolsets;
presenting proposals to senior management;
project management; and
tool selection and implementation.
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Binh Phu BSc (Comp)


Binh commenced testing slot machines and integrated slot machine systems for regulated jurisdictions in 2000. Binh was promoted to senior tester responsible for slot machine testing and certification in 2003. Binh has been performing interactive gaming systems testing - against prescribed regulatory standards - since 2002.

In 2004 Binh joined Gaming Associates and migrated his extensive disciplines in the field of regulated gambling testing exclusively to interactive systems, where he is a senior systems tester .
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Geoffrey Todd BA

Geoffrey's is a career security expert - service with the British SAS and British Constabulary.

Geoffrey has specialised in casino security and surveillance since 1985, when he commenced with Diamond Beach Hotel Casino (Darwin), as Security & Surveillance Manager .

Geoffrey later moved to the government regulatory authority as a Government Inspector and later a Senior Government Inspector responsible for security and surveillance matters. He was a principal member of the management team which migrated casino regulation to a risk management approach with MGM Grand (Darwin).

Geoffrey is a senior consultant .
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Ian Manning
Ian has previously headed the Victorian Casino Control Authority, and is expert in establishing casino regulatory methodologies, and providing casino regulatory services to government regulatory authorities.

Ian provides compliance services to casino licensees .

Ian is a senior consultant.
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Dr Nadeem Ansari PhD, M Phil, M Sc, B Sc, Dip, Cert
Nadeem specialises in the evaluation of random number generators, encryption algorithms, and games. Nadeem has applied his mathematical expertise to gambling industries for a number of years. He has been involved in the development of Gaming Associates' advanced empirical gambling analysis and evaluation system (AEGEAS) – a world's best practice gambling tool.

Nadeem is a senior consultant .
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Rodney Pickup DipLaw
Rodney has extensive experience relating to project communication, senior corporate liaison, stakeholder management, contract negotiation, regulatory processes and approvals and intellectual property matters in the technology based industries, especially technology-based wagering and gaming industries.

His technology-based gambling assignments have included: Global Gaming Services (GGS); Mikohn (Australasia); Mobilesoft Limited; NTC Samurai Gaming; TAB Limited; and Tekkorp Consulting Group. Projects have included dealings with: Telstra Corporation; KeyCorp Limited; Online Gaming Systems (OGS); GET Systems; NextGen Gaming; AWA; TABCORP Ltd; Tattersall Holdings; and others.
Rodney is a principal consultant.


Here is a list of some of the past companies GA has worked for.

Access Systems Research;
ACTTAB Limited;
Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC);
AWA Gaming; Aristocrat Leisure Industries (ALI);
Bellamy, Miller & Monypenny;
Betcorp Limited;
BetWWTS; BMM International;
BMM Test Labs;
Bodog; Boss Media;
Centrebet;
Centre Racing;
Consolidated Gaming Corporation, Cryptologic Inc;
Darwin All Sports;
Department of Communications & Information Services (NT);
Department of Industries & Business (NT);
Diamond Beach Hotel Casino;
Director of Gaming (Northern Territory);
Director of Licensing (Northern Territory);
DMR Consulting (Australia); EventsMarket Limited (UK);
Ernst & Young;
IGT (Australia);
Full Tilt Poker;
GGS-AU;
Global Gaming Services (GGS);
International All Sports;
Jupiters Limited;
Kahnawake Gaming Commission;
Lasseters Hotel Casino;
Lasseters Online;
Littlewoods;
Magna Corporation;
MGM Grand (Darwin);
MGM Mirage;
Mikohn Gaming;
Mobilesoft Limited;
Morris International;
Next Generation Gaming;
Northern Territory TAB;
NTC Samurai Gaming;
NT Treasury - Racing, Gaming & Licensing Division;
Olympic Gaming;
Pacific Casino Management;
Online Gaming Systems (OGS);
Panell Kerr Foster (PKF);
Racing & Gaming Authority (NT);
Realtime Gaming;
Ritz Interactive Limited;
Samurai Gaming;
Singapore Pools;
Sports Interaction;
Sun International;
TAB Limited;
Tasman Gaming Inc;
Tattersall Lottery Consultants;
Technical Systems Testing (TST);
The Ritz Club London;
The Ritz Club Online;
The Territory Lottery Company (TLC);
Tribeca Tables;
TST;
TVB Enterprises;
Video Lottery Consultants (VLC);
WagerWorks

Now why pokeraddict would you say they are not independent, they are in fact the essence of independence and everyone that works in the industry knows this. That is why all the big names call them when they have a problem.

 

[The Dude]

The problem is that Gamingassociates doesn't seem to be independant. They really need to have a thrid party do the audit, not something owned or at least asociated with KGC.

Gamingassociates is a good company, and I believe that they will look at this objectively without a doubt. And I'm sure it won't stop there. There is enough interest in this case that others will be involved as well. It's a big deal, and it's only a matter of time before the mainstream press gets wind of this.

Don't forget how popular poker is in the states - and I believe that quite a few of these aggrieved players reside there...

 

[lots0]

@Pokeraddict

After rereading the press release from AP... If I were you I would be praying that GA finds something... anything...

Because if they don't it looks like AP's lawyers will be paying you and a few others a visit...

 

[pokeraddict]

Gamingassociates is KGC's auditor. The comparison made is like having Arthur Anderson audit Enron. It would be good if a third party, not already involved with both AP and KGC did it. Realy I doubt it will matter anyway. The audit is only as good as he evidence not already destroyed. Auditing a month later after they are in a hole they can't dig out of and have lied so many times it's hard to believe this will resolve anything.

What the poker world wants is for the audit to show what went wrong and who was responsible. If the auditors show that then the community will likely be satisified provided refunds are given. If the auditor says "We found nothing" then it will just be pointless and the worry at this point is that AP has had time to destroy everything outside this MTT, couple that with KGC's auditor doing the audit the community doesn't feel this will prove anything. A third party not already involved would be best. Supposedly GA should have already audited AP as they do every month and they don't seem to have found anything.

Of course GA can prove us all wrong. It's a step in the right direction as this $1000 MTT is documented publicly so there is no destroying it now.

 

[lots0]

Gamingassociates is KGC's auditor.

They are also Bodog's, Full Tilt Poker's and the Australian Governments auditors... just to name a few.

If you don't want anyone that has done business with KGC to audit AP, then your going to have to go outside the gambling industry and then you get people that don't have a clue about what is going on.

The audit is only as good as he evidence not already destroyed.

Well that is not really true. IF GA does a full audit, they won't just be looking at the records, they will be looking at the system itself.

GA will be in the software looking for a backdoor, superuser accounts and to see if in fact there is a way for your opponents to see your hole cards.

These are things that can NOT be hidden or corrected in a few days or even a few weeks.

 

[The Dude]

Gamingassociates is KGC's auditor. The comparison made is like having Arthur Anderson audit Enron. It would be good if a third party, not already involved with both AP and KGC did it...

Yeah but, it is in KGC's best interest that everyone comes clean on this.

Besides, there is enough info posted online already that players can use to make their own decisions. This audit is way too late. This should have been done a month ago.

 

[pokeraddict]

Yeah but, it is in KGC's best interest that everyone comes clean on this.

Besides, there is enough info posted online already that players can use to make their own decisions. This audit is way too late. This should have been done a month ago.

Agree that the info posted already cannot be destroyed. That is the good part. It's hard to trust AP after how they handled this to cooperate fully and not have destroyed evidence.

Lots0, I was not aware they were involved in other rooms. The small research I've done makes it look like they are a part of KGC, that must not be true.

 

[lots0]

This should have been done a month ago.

So true, it would have avoided all this bad press for Online Poker.

Like I said before, I think the AP management was wishing that this story would just go away and they thought that if they stuck their heads in the sand long enough... it would. A very very bad call on their part.

Lots0, I was not aware they were involved in other rooms. The small research I've done makes it look like they are a part of KGC, that must not be true.

No it's not. On two occasions I have had the opportunity to observe GA in action. I won't go into the details, but I was very impressed with their professionalism and their understanding of the online gaming business.

I will put great weight on GA's report, lets hope that AP's Management will make the complete report from GA public.

added: I just checked and GA does not have a current certification for absolutepoker.com. This means that AP was not a current client of GA when AP asked GA to do the audit.

 

[Adanthar]

Quoting myself from 2+2 before someone else does:

More breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

AJ Green is also POTSLAMMER on 2+2, whom The Watchdog (who may or may not be Scott Tom) defends in his last ever 2+2 post that I've linked a few pages back.

Kinda puts a damper on the whole 'we did an investigation and found nothing wrong' thing.

 

[lots0]

More breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

Come on... Nameless sources at AP... Well now I'm convinced... NOT!

So far how many people have you and your friends accused of being POTRIPPER? By my count it is close to five before this revelation...

If it is in fact Mr. Tom and his best friend, then it is not current AP management. It then becomes an issue of collusion between players, one of them using knowledge gained at a past employer to cheat other players.

I also have some real questions (doubts) about that hand history file I received from you. I don't know if I believe it's from AP. Sure does not look like it to me to me. But, we are still in the process of verifying the data, so who knows maybe I am wrong.

I am sending a copy of the email to AP, I want their input on this.

 

[Adanthar]

I don't know if I believe it's from AP. Sure does not look like it to me to me.

If you believe I/we made up a 65,536 line file and made it consistent with every other HH in the public domain (probably about a dozen), including 13 additional tables that have no remote connection with the one we're talking about, there's no point talking to you farther.

 

[lots0]

If you believe I/we made up a 65,536 line file and made it consistent with every other HH in the public domain (probably about a dozen), including 13 additional tables that have no remote connection with the one we're talking about, there's no point talking to you farther.

I did not say you made it up...

I did not say you and your friends made it up. I said, "...it did not look like it was from AP to me, but I could be wrong."

As far as all those "other" hand histories that have been posted, are they not all based on this email or only one sided incomplete data from pokertracker?

In the SEO world I once saw a small group of guys (there were three of them) create over 4.2 gigs of completly false data (that could be verified as real data until close human inspection), just to fool a search engine robot. So your claims that it would be impossible to create a 9 meg excel file are kinda falling on deaf ears, at least with me.

 

[lots0]

Adanthar you should ask your nameless source from AP why the hand history file in question is in excel format.

From what I have just been told, Absolute Poker does not use excel in it's company system.

If that is in fact the case, it would be impossible for an AP employee to send anyone a company file that is in excel format... even on accident.

 

[pokerfun0000000]

I did not say you made it up...

I did not say you and your friends made it up. I said, "...it did not look like it was from AP to me, but I could be wrong."

As far as all those "other" hand histories that have been posted, are they not all based on this email or only one sided incomplete data from pokertracker?

In the SEO world I once saw a small group of guys (there were three of them) create over 4.2 gigs of completly false data (that could be verified as real data until close human inspection), just to fool a search engine robot. So your claims that it would be impossible to create a 9 meg excel file are kinda falling on deaf ears, at least with me.

Wow, you are still going at it huh?

Isnt it blatently obvious by now that this LOTSO character is someway connected to AP? Perhaps using a proxy to mask their real IP.

The evidence is clear and convincing idiot. Yes I have to call you an idiot, because it seems being civil with you goes nowhere.

 

[Adanthar]

As far as all those "other" hand histories that have been posted, are they not all based on this email or only one sided incomplete data from pokertracker?

No, actually, a good chunk of them were emailed out from/by AP. I have two or three of those in my inbox right now...in fact, I'm forwarding you those right now to save valuable 'omg this is a hoax' time.

 

[pokerfun0000000]

Nice post to my reputation lots0: "Your a fu**ing moron" he says. BTW it's you're.

Ya I'm the moron, LOL. People have presented numerous pieces of evidence. Even a hand history showing all hole cards sent to them by AP. Yet you still need more. Cmon fess up what is your connection with AP? Why does it seem you have such a vested interest in their reputation?

 

[lots0]

I'm forwarding you those right now...

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

 

[pokerfun0000000]

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT AP DOES NOT USE EXCEL????

See this is the type of insider $hit im talking about. This guy knows what programs that absolute poker uses internally but is not connected to them??

HA~

 

[lots0]

I know because I asked.

Also it has been brought up several times in this thread that I am in fact an affiliate of AP. I have never tired to hide my association with AP, as a matter of fact I do believe in my first or second comment in thread I mention that I am an affiliate of AP's. But I guess reading comprehension and cognitive thought is not your strong suit.

If you don't have anything intellegent to say or add to the conversation why don't you stfu and let the grown ups talk.

 

[Simmo!]

Keep the discussion adult please guys. Stop the personal crap public or private - it achieves nothing. If you disagree fine, but take the insults somewhere else unless you want a break.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[GrandMaster]

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

Even if they don't use Excel or files in Excel format at all, they may extract data from a database in Excel format for a player in the expectation that the player will have Excel or some other software such as OpenOffice that can read Excel files. Btw, how come you know so much about their internal computer systems?

 

[Adanthar]

Thank you.

Can you comment on this excel thing?

If AP does not have excel installed for its employees, how could this file have been sent out by an AP employee in excel format?

How the hell would I know if AP uses Excel or not? Why would I even care? FFS, where else would CrazyMarco, who's a random kid whose sole connection to this scandal was being cheated out of lots of money by a call with ten high heads up, have gotten this thing from? It doesn't even cover the final table or any of his own hands with Potripper.

Wanna do a blind test? Email 10 random addresses from that file. I bet they all go to legitimate boxes. Or did we make that up, too?

 

[happygobrokey]

if AP has some degree of guilt in this, something to hide, then maybe it makes sense that the person you asked might lie about them not having excel? who doesn't have excel? what do they do their accounting on? it's a business, it's excel. come on now.

 

[lots0]

Btw, how come you know so much about their internal computer systems?

Because I asked.

they may extract data from a database in Excel format for a player in the expectation that the player will have Excel

How can they format an excel file without the excel software? I don't think that is possible.

I don't use excel or any windows office software and I know a lot of folks in IT that don't.

 

[pokerfun0000000]

Keep the discussion adult please guys. Stop the personal crap public or private - it achieves nothing. If you disagree fine, but take the insults somewhere else unless you want a break.

Cheers

Simmo!

Fair enough Simmo, I will refrain from insults per your request.

The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

 

[Simmo!]

Fair enough Simmo, I will refrain from insults per your request.

The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

For what its worth, my opinion is that lots0 has been here some time and I've never seen him defending AP before this thread, or done anything remotely shill-like that I can remember, from memory at least, so I am not in agreement he has a vested interest, but its speculative and I dont agree with everything he's said - or the way he's said it

Anyway please continue, minus personal jibes

One further comment/piece of advice for everyone, not just you: if you are angry or emotional over another's post, step away, cool down for a bit, and consider a more dignified response that adds to the debate rather than takes it off-track. And by all means report the post.

 

[spearmaster]

How can they format an excel file without the excel software? I don't think that is possible.

Simple comma separated values are good enough for Excel.

Failing that, there are any number of tools that can read and write Excel files - many of them for free. OpenOffice would be one of them.

By the way, the IP address argument is invalid. The "shared" IP happens to be at a bar in Pavas named Zulu.

 

[lots0]

The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

I never said I was an independent observer.

So what is your stake in this? Do you have anything of value riding on this? Or are you just talking out your ass?

I have a stake in this, first my reputation is on the line, then I have a business stake (it has been known to kill a business to promote a crooked casino or poker room). So I am involved no matter if I like it or not. So why are you here? Just to condemn or to find the truth?

I'm into finding out what the truth really is.

 

[lots0]

Simple comma separated values are good enough for Excel.

Have you seen this file? it is space delineated file.

By the way, the IP address argument is invalid. The "shared" IP happens to be at a bar in Pavas named Zulu.

Which argument is that?

 

[Mousey]

Simple comma separated values are good enough for Excel.

Failing that, there are any number of tools that can read and write Excel files - many of them for free. OpenOffice would be one of them.

By the way, the IP address argument is invalid. The "shared" IP happens to be at a bar in Pavas named Zulu.

I know I'm just supposed to keep my mouth shut and read to try and keep up with this stuff but --- what??

 

[The Dude]

...The only problem I have, is that LOTS0 is coming off as an independent observer when he/she is not. The simple fact that he/she has a vested interest in the success or failure of absolute poker makes their statements pertaining to the case null and void.

This is not necessarily true, and I wish people would quit ragging on others in this forum because of a possible "vested" interest.

When casinos that are listed on this site mess up, they are removed; the Fortune Lounge and Minivegas groups for instance. Let lots0 ask his questions and leave it be. If he's not convinced, he's not convinced. He's big enough to make his own decisions, so quit telling him what to do.

And why the she/he? If you know so much about him, why don't you address him properly.

Bottom line - keep the personal crap out of here. Thank you.

 

[spearmaster]

Have you seen this file? it is space delineated file.

A file with any delimiter, including a space, is fine for Excel.

Which argument is that?

Not yours, one posted by Adanthar implying that the Watchdog and Scott Tom were one and the same.

You know what, I'm not done with you yet, Scott.

Pokermachine:

Login Name: scotttom
Display Name:
Member Title:
Name Color:
Real Email Address: [edited]
Display Email Address:
Full Name:
Registration / First IP: 02/26/04 08:54 PM - 196.40.37.120
Last Post / IP: 06/22/07 06:32 PM - 196.40.67.178
Member Rating: Not Rated

The Watchdog:

Login Name: the watchdog
Display Name:
Member Title:
Name Color:
Real Email Address: [edited]
Display Email Address:
Full Name:
Registration / First IP: 08/14/07 01:51 PM - 196.40.67.178
Last Post / IP: 10/10/07 01:22 PM - 196.40.67.178

If you're not Scott, it might be best to find a new network to post from.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/major-absolute-poker-issue.19995/

 

[Adanthar]

Not yours, one posted by Adanthar implying that the Watchdog and Scott Tom were one and the same.

So those IP's were merely from the same bar? Good to know.

Okay, in that case, there's a good chance The Watchdog is not Scott Tom (but pokermachine obviously is and the two are clearly related somehow.) What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that the IP's in the file have been traced to Scott Tom's residential modem and that POTSLAMMER, whom The Watchdog defended on 2+2, was AJ Green. The emails and login names used for 2+2 give the latter away.

 

[Pinababy69]

I'll also contact the Wizard and Eliot Jackobson (who is a member of this forum) and see if they can look into this.

This is what I've wanted to happen for awhile now. I hope they're willing Bryan.

 

[Eliot Jacobson]

3.14 cents worth of contribution

Greetings,

I did get an email from Bryan suggesting I consider looking at this situation, and coincidentally I was reading the thread for the first time when the email arrived.

As I now understand it, Gaming Associates and Absolute Poker have come to an agreement about a security audit.

It is my belief in these types of situations that one should not be too quick to jump to a conclusion. This is not a question of non-payment or bonus play. Often programming and security errors are very difficult to find, even for a careful auditor. And, if and when errors are found, they are usually due to incompetence or negligence, and not malice. Finally, most decent companies will make some sort of restitution if an error is discovered and proven.

I don't know the specifics of this case very well, but the case now appears to be in good hands.

Regards,

Eliot

 

[The Watchdog]

Hello!!

I saw some serious post threating me to pay...

Is really amazing to see how people have become seriously focused and have believed I actually use different aliases on several forums...

Anyways, I dont have to convince anyone I am not who they think I am but for the people who have never come to Costa Rica, there is a pretty good explanation for the ip addresses and all that paranoid stuff that has been going around.

Gambling in Costa Rica

Probably along with Antigua, is the country with most gambling operations in the world.

If you have been here, you probably know that you cant walk a block without stepping into someone familiar. So, everybody knows everyone here.

Also, if you have been here you would know that since we are a small country, thousands of operations share the same building, sometimes the same floor... examples:

Mall San Pedro: Former house of BetonSports, also within the same building millenium, mvp, gibraltar, several casinos and poker sites shared probably same satellite connection.

Building no. X in Oficentro: House of companies such as Youwager.com, Bodog,com and the mostly beloved BetRoyal.com also The Dragon Room is located there among with probably 3 more poker sites and several casinos

Sabana Sur Building: House of industry leader BetCRIS.com, Bookmaker.com, Betmaker.com, eHorse among with casinos and pokersites as well. Most recently ActionPoker among with its twenty something brands and casinos moved just next to them.

Plaza Mayor: to mention some, Nine, sunset, Tropical poker and Jazz were part of the 2nd floor here.

If you check my ip history here at Casinomesiter, I guarantee you will find at least 100 different ip addresses

Anyways, I really dont care who thinks what, I have posted here for a while and will always respect this site as a reliable source for the online gambler on where to and where no to do buisness. Amazing forum which should be even more popular than 2+2, eog or therx.com

For those still having dillusions of my identity, come over Costa Rica, send me a PM at any time and will be more than glad to sit with you for a while enjoying a Heineken and talking about all the fucked up things that happens in this industry, which is incredible and one of my biggest passions but unfortunately with thousands of flaws...

Take it easy, I wont be posting more on this thread for to avoid pissed hot heads killing their liver. Feel free to PM me at any time.

 

[pokeraddict]

Fair enough The Watchdog, I never much believed you were the same as you have seen from earlier posts. There was only some relationship which I feel you have explained.

Because if they don't it looks like AP's lawyers will be paying you and a few others a visit...

Yeah reporting findings from another forum with my opinions stated clearly will get me sued by some offshore company that the U.S. courts would almost certainly consider a fraud. I'm shaking. In case you have not noticed I am not the accuser, just the messenger and I have made my opinions known as well.

Also there have been several other excel master hh's that have surfaced that AP apparently sent out. It looks like Adanthar is sending you some of those too.

I have seen Lots0 one other time defend AP in a thread where JerryG was quasi spamming his site over the BBJ Calvinhobbes hit. Lots0 accused me of having an agenda because I called AP rogue for all their retroactive changing of terms on bonuses and their changing of rakeback and affiliate pay on existing players including going from dealt to contributed and taking 5% off the top of all U.S. players for BS fees. I have also called them out all year, including the account seemingly associated with one of the accused, for all of their spam at 2+2. Of course he has posted in many other threads not relating to any of this and has been active here at CM.

 

[chuchu59]

Keyser I never pretended to be stupid. I did not pretend anything.

Who's depressed you idiot? Me that I hope to defeat ageing or you that you believe you stop existing after death? Therefore who is most optimistic and cheerful?

Oh, and your morons psychotherapists cannot heal anyone from depression, they are depressed themselves. Most people get depressed because of poverty or because they are ugly or old, and mainly because they believe they dont exist after death. Unless a cure is found for these, depression cannot be cured. You are the stupid ones who believe they can cure you.

Thodorisk,

Control yourself. You can argue till the day wears off but please dont insult others. Contrarian views are always welcome but restraint must be made in your choice of words on others.

 

[chuchu59]

Wow, you are still going at it huh?

Isnt it blatently obvious by now that this LOTSO character is someway connected to AP? Perhaps using a proxy to mask their real IP.

The evidence is clear and convincing idiot. Yes I have to call you an idiot, because it seems being civil with you goes nowhere.

Well, I dont think he is an idiot, just someone who requires a much higher standard of proof. No matter what people think or say, you have to remain civil, dont you think?