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- Nov 18, 2016
1. INTRO:
Have you ever been on a run on Bonanza, where you just don't seem to hit anything - regardless of the unbelievable 117 000 possible megaways? Have you gone trough thousands of spins without getting a bonus? What if I was to say, you are playing against a predefined REELSET, not a random reelset generated by 1-7 reels with 10 (+1) possible symbols. The reason for writing this post, is the constant claims by casino representatives when doubting the games true randomness. Some comments found on the web on quick lookup:
'Every online slot uses a random number generator (RNG) to determine the outcome of each spin. This ensures that the results are completely random every time; each spin has the same chance of winning as the next and is not influenced by past results.'
(taken from accredited, LeoVegas owned site: 21.co.uk). You can also ask ANY casino if every spin has the same chance of winning as the next and is not influenced by past results and the answer will be same.
On this post, I will proof this comment is wrong. Thus, online casinos are lying.
The following tactic may apply to other games aswell, but I only studied Bonanza as I have reading Bonanza thread on casinomeister.com (as I have had all the same experiences as other players complaining about this game).
2. HONEST WAY TO CREATE A MEGAWAYS GAME:
On this section, I will try to explain how an honest, truly random megaways game should be created (and all the players seem to think they work this way). The game has following reels:
- 6 reels, with 2-7 symbols in total.
- possibly an additional wheel on top with 4 symbols in total (as in Bonanza).
So, the amount of possible combinations should be HUGE (beyond my math skills). Basically, only the standard block reels would take 60 different results:
- 9,9 | 9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9,9,9,9 on single reel
- 10,10 | 10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10,10,10,10 on single reel
- J,J | J,J,J | J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J,J,J on single reel
...
etc. We have all seen these blocking reels.
We could simply create such game with RNG, randomizing the amount of 'blocks' per each reel -> randomizing the symbol to fill this 'block'. At this point, it doesn't matter if the results are 'weighed', for instance a chance to get a diamond on single block could be 1/1000 000. But, by creating a megaways game like this would result in every possible win combination, no matter how unlikely it is. the RTP could be controlled with the 'weighing', eg. change to get full row of diamonds would be nonexistent. This doesn't even take to account the possible, additional wheel or reactions.
Bonanza, however doesn't work like this. The game has a VERY limited set of reels, proven in next section:
3. BONANZA (BTG) WAY TO CREATE A MEGAWAYS GAME
First of all, the RNG is tested and verified. RNG itself, is a complex code to generate a random number. I don't have doubts the RNG is random, however what is important is WHAT IS DONE WITH THE NUMBER.
Bonanza uses predefined reelSETS of maximum 200 variations. So, each block on each reel is NOT randomized, but each reelSET is randomized. For example:
- a reel of two 9s get a number 27
- a reel of two 10s get a number 28
- a reel with 2 diamonds, 3 red gems and 2 Js get a number 29
...
etc. So, there truly isn't a chance in getting any possible win combination EVER. I will prove this in the next section. This might be legal still (honest and moral, not so sure) as the RTP is controlled this way. HOWEVER the big problem comes with the predefined reelsets. As we are told by casinos:
'every spin has the same chance of winning as the next and is not influenced by past results.'
Bonanza proves this wrong, as the reelsets stay the same for at least hundreds of spins at a time. Imagine a situation, when you get a set of predefined reels that have no winning combinations? Or, as frequently discussed on Bonanza thread, a reelset without the infamous 'D'. Would you then say 'each spin has the same chance of winning...' when you don't have a chance to get free spins until the reelset is changed? Imagine playing for hours with 10e bet without a chance in winning, which could cause serious damage to a person's life.
When are the reelsets changed? I am not sure (long pauses on play or technical error springs to mind), but as you can see, online casinos are blatantly lying about a chance to win on each spin.
4. PROOF / YOU CAN TEST THIS YOURSELF
I strongly urge everyone to test this, and also gather data as it will not be long, before Bonanza and other games will get a new 'update' Here is how to proof this:
- open Bonanza on Firefox -browser
- press F12 -button to open the developer tools
- on the toolset, click ACCESSIBILITY
- just on top of the Filter output, click XHR
- press SPIN on Bonanza
as you can see, every spin returns OPTIONS and POST -variable.
- Open the POST -variable by clicking the arrow besides it.
- select RESPONSE
when you copy the response, it looks like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><GDMRESPONSE><OGS_RC>0</OGS_RC><SUCCESS>true</SUCCESS><PAYLOAD><![CDATA[&MSGID=FREE_GAME&B=99990&VER=2.6.56-2.7.3-2.6.3-2.5.2526-264-4&RID=6&NRID=0&BPR=1&RB=6&RS=21|15|89|148|100|163|&TW=10&WC=0|0|0|&IFG=1&MUL=1&SUB=0&GSD=RSID~1#RTW~10#CS~9;3;5;10#SF~4;3;3;2;5;2&GA=1&AB=99990&FRBAL=0&SID=Free:cm7b6phq2ntue9hnkul90ra19gg&]]></PAYLOAD></GDMRESPONSE>
there are some variables here, but the ones we are interested in are:
RS=21|15|89|148|100|163|
this is the reelset. as you can see, there are 6 numbers all telling us the randomized 'representation' of the reelset. If the game was made as I explained on section 2, there would be a LOT more variables. But as there are 6 numbers, the whole reelset is predefined. As I said, this might still be legal, BUT, when you examine the rounds further, you can see the SAME reelset is in place for A LOT of spins. I tested this yesterday, and focused on the two 9s block on first reel. I played for forty minutes, and the NUMBER was the same (meaning reelset hadn't changed in 40 minutes).
RS=36|149|26|123|109|42| = 3 9s reel (36)
RS=36|87|92|67|53|75|&TW= 3 9s reel (36 first, approx 40 minutes later)
here is some other data I collected when testing for two hours straight:
first session
RS=15|75|71|117|25|133| = 6 kings reel (15)
RS=36|134|28|60|137|99| = 7 9s reel (36)
RS=144|105|84|106|146| = 6 queens reel (144)
RS=18|87|122|46|153|129 = 3 kings reel (18)
RS=39|66|22|117|156|69 = 4 9s reel (39)
RS=84|140|155|50|140|86 = 5 queens reel (84)
RS=38|54|66|17|173|22| = 3 9s reel (38)
RS=29|36|91|0|141|2| = 7 queens reel (29)
RS=38|112|40|137|136|147| = 3 9s reel (38)
second session:
RS=25|80|19|93|11|75| = 3 9s reel (25)
RS=78|86|61|102|158|72| = 3 kings reel (102)
RS=39|96|67|87|61|41| = 3 9s reel (39)
RS=63|150|64|17|27|23| = 3 kings reel (17)
RS=19|128|89|12|63|64| = 3 kings reel (19)
RS=19|124|49|12|109|105| = 3 kings reel (19)
RS=88|20|115|17|125|66| = 3 kings reel (17)
RS=25|103|26|68|149|103| = 3 9s reel (25)
third
RS=65|149|34|72|146|167| = 3 9s reel (72)
RS=38|17|104|122|63|25| = 3 9s reel (38)
RS=36|149|26|123|109|42| = 3 9s reel (36)
RS=109|139|37|76|53|92| = 3 9s reel (76)
RS=104|106|130|122|75|99| = 3 9s reel (99, last)
RS=167|49|1|76|107|131| = 3 9s reel (76 fourth)
RS=36|87|92|67|53|75|&TW= 3 9s reel (36 first, approx 40 minutes later)
The representations change on different reels. WORST CASE SCENARIO would be that several numbers on the POOL of 200 was assigned to same reels (I didn't think to test this).
You should all test this yourself to see. As I said, I don't know when or if the reelset change during one session, but as the two 9s on first reel within proofs, the reelset wasn't changed for at least 40 minutes. Totalling two hours of testing (thousands of spins), there were no number above 200. This means the possible reelsets per reel are limited to 200. You will see the winning combinations are WAY MORE impossible to hit than you would've believed with 'possible 117000 megaways'
5. OTHER OBSERVATIONS
- As I said, I don't know when the reelsets are changed. They might be changed on:
- only on game restart
- technical 'error' (unexplained)
- how many times have you gotten ERROR after hot streaks? Be on alert for this, as this would be ILLEGAL if the reelsets are changed between a good run by made-up-error!
- long pauses
- this data proofs the existance of hot/cold streaks. There are plenty of posts on Bonanza thread discussing about:
- no wins at all (most common)
- no GOLDs (second most common)
- two or three GOLDs in quick succession (the reels contain GOLDs and max. 200 possible variables obviously create more free spins)
- several 117 000 MW in quick succession (same as before)
- But what if the reelsets are profitable?
- might happen. I, myself have gotten some good runs (800xbet being the max win ever). However, that doesn't undo the FACT that every spin doesn't have equal chance in winning which should be the case.
- I don't have the access to backend code (thus haven't done anything illegal by hacking to their server). I am only using tools provided for everyone by browser.
- So, I don't have any proof of compensation or if the reelsets are calculated differently for different players/bet sizes
6. CONCLUSION
The way Bonanza is built, is to make it seem HUGE wins were possible. This data proofs that is not the case as every combination is not possible. I don't know if this is illegal or not (highly immoral in my opinion). However, which is Illegal is the fact that online casinos CLAIM every spin has an equal chance of winning. As I said before, imagine playing for hours on 10e bet - looking for that one big win. However, if the predetermined reelsets don't even offer you a chance for this, you might lose A LOT (and the casinos would keep lying to you).
7. PS
The reason I am posting this on this forum is because everything EVERY casino HELPDESK says is straight from providers. When asked for PROOF about the games randomness (eg. who reads the source code of the games), they tend to go quiet (and possibly even close your account accusing you of gambling addiction). MGA even said the games are ENTERTAINMENT when complaining about different game.
Also, If Bonanza is created like this, what is there to proof other games (Megaways and others) don't have something shady going on?
8. PPS
Anyone can prove me wrong (BTG, any casino REP, MGA). I mean PROOF, not empty promises. I still don't know the names of any testing agencies (as everyone has blatantly refused to tell me), but I wonder how this game has gone trought their bulletproof testing (I guess they only follow the RTP).
Have you ever been on a run on Bonanza, where you just don't seem to hit anything - regardless of the unbelievable 117 000 possible megaways? Have you gone trough thousands of spins without getting a bonus? What if I was to say, you are playing against a predefined REELSET, not a random reelset generated by 1-7 reels with 10 (+1) possible symbols. The reason for writing this post, is the constant claims by casino representatives when doubting the games true randomness. Some comments found on the web on quick lookup:
'Every online slot uses a random number generator (RNG) to determine the outcome of each spin. This ensures that the results are completely random every time; each spin has the same chance of winning as the next and is not influenced by past results.'
(taken from accredited, LeoVegas owned site: 21.co.uk). You can also ask ANY casino if every spin has the same chance of winning as the next and is not influenced by past results and the answer will be same.
On this post, I will proof this comment is wrong. Thus, online casinos are lying.
The following tactic may apply to other games aswell, but I only studied Bonanza as I have reading Bonanza thread on casinomeister.com (as I have had all the same experiences as other players complaining about this game).
2. HONEST WAY TO CREATE A MEGAWAYS GAME:
On this section, I will try to explain how an honest, truly random megaways game should be created (and all the players seem to think they work this way). The game has following reels:
- 6 reels, with 2-7 symbols in total.
- possibly an additional wheel on top with 4 symbols in total (as in Bonanza).
So, the amount of possible combinations should be HUGE (beyond my math skills). Basically, only the standard block reels would take 60 different results:
- 9,9 | 9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9,9,9 | 9,9,9,9,9,9,9 on single reel
- 10,10 | 10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10,10,10 | 10,10,10,10,10,10,10 on single reel
- J,J | J,J,J | J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J,J | J,J,J,J,J,J,J on single reel
...
etc. We have all seen these blocking reels.
We could simply create such game with RNG, randomizing the amount of 'blocks' per each reel -> randomizing the symbol to fill this 'block'. At this point, it doesn't matter if the results are 'weighed', for instance a chance to get a diamond on single block could be 1/1000 000. But, by creating a megaways game like this would result in every possible win combination, no matter how unlikely it is. the RTP could be controlled with the 'weighing', eg. change to get full row of diamonds would be nonexistent. This doesn't even take to account the possible, additional wheel or reactions.
Bonanza, however doesn't work like this. The game has a VERY limited set of reels, proven in next section:
3. BONANZA (BTG) WAY TO CREATE A MEGAWAYS GAME
First of all, the RNG is tested and verified. RNG itself, is a complex code to generate a random number. I don't have doubts the RNG is random, however what is important is WHAT IS DONE WITH THE NUMBER.
Bonanza uses predefined reelSETS of maximum 200 variations. So, each block on each reel is NOT randomized, but each reelSET is randomized. For example:
- a reel of two 9s get a number 27
- a reel of two 10s get a number 28
- a reel with 2 diamonds, 3 red gems and 2 Js get a number 29
...
etc. So, there truly isn't a chance in getting any possible win combination EVER. I will prove this in the next section. This might be legal still (honest and moral, not so sure) as the RTP is controlled this way. HOWEVER the big problem comes with the predefined reelsets. As we are told by casinos:
'every spin has the same chance of winning as the next and is not influenced by past results.'
Bonanza proves this wrong, as the reelsets stay the same for at least hundreds of spins at a time. Imagine a situation, when you get a set of predefined reels that have no winning combinations? Or, as frequently discussed on Bonanza thread, a reelset without the infamous 'D'. Would you then say 'each spin has the same chance of winning...' when you don't have a chance to get free spins until the reelset is changed? Imagine playing for hours with 10e bet without a chance in winning, which could cause serious damage to a person's life.
When are the reelsets changed? I am not sure (long pauses on play or technical error springs to mind), but as you can see, online casinos are blatantly lying about a chance to win on each spin.
4. PROOF / YOU CAN TEST THIS YOURSELF
I strongly urge everyone to test this, and also gather data as it will not be long, before Bonanza and other games will get a new 'update' Here is how to proof this:
- open Bonanza on Firefox -browser
- press F12 -button to open the developer tools
- on the toolset, click ACCESSIBILITY
- just on top of the Filter output, click XHR
- press SPIN on Bonanza
as you can see, every spin returns OPTIONS and POST -variable.
- Open the POST -variable by clicking the arrow besides it.
- select RESPONSE
when you copy the response, it looks like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><GDMRESPONSE><OGS_RC>0</OGS_RC><SUCCESS>true</SUCCESS><PAYLOAD><![CDATA[&MSGID=FREE_GAME&B=99990&VER=2.6.56-2.7.3-2.6.3-2.5.2526-264-4&RID=6&NRID=0&BPR=1&RB=6&RS=21|15|89|148|100|163|&TW=10&WC=0|0|0|&IFG=1&MUL=1&SUB=0&GSD=RSID~1#RTW~10#CS~9;3;5;10#SF~4;3;3;2;5;2&GA=1&AB=99990&FRBAL=0&SID=Free:cm7b6phq2ntue9hnkul90ra19gg&]]></PAYLOAD></GDMRESPONSE>
there are some variables here, but the ones we are interested in are:
RS=21|15|89|148|100|163|
this is the reelset. as you can see, there are 6 numbers all telling us the randomized 'representation' of the reelset. If the game was made as I explained on section 2, there would be a LOT more variables. But as there are 6 numbers, the whole reelset is predefined. As I said, this might still be legal, BUT, when you examine the rounds further, you can see the SAME reelset is in place for A LOT of spins. I tested this yesterday, and focused on the two 9s block on first reel. I played for forty minutes, and the NUMBER was the same (meaning reelset hadn't changed in 40 minutes).
RS=36|149|26|123|109|42| = 3 9s reel (36)
RS=36|87|92|67|53|75|&TW= 3 9s reel (36 first, approx 40 minutes later)
here is some other data I collected when testing for two hours straight:
first session
RS=15|75|71|117|25|133| = 6 kings reel (15)
RS=36|134|28|60|137|99| = 7 9s reel (36)
RS=144|105|84|106|146| = 6 queens reel (144)
RS=18|87|122|46|153|129 = 3 kings reel (18)
RS=39|66|22|117|156|69 = 4 9s reel (39)
RS=84|140|155|50|140|86 = 5 queens reel (84)
RS=38|54|66|17|173|22| = 3 9s reel (38)
RS=29|36|91|0|141|2| = 7 queens reel (29)
RS=38|112|40|137|136|147| = 3 9s reel (38)
second session:
RS=25|80|19|93|11|75| = 3 9s reel (25)
RS=78|86|61|102|158|72| = 3 kings reel (102)
RS=39|96|67|87|61|41| = 3 9s reel (39)
RS=63|150|64|17|27|23| = 3 kings reel (17)
RS=19|128|89|12|63|64| = 3 kings reel (19)
RS=19|124|49|12|109|105| = 3 kings reel (19)
RS=88|20|115|17|125|66| = 3 kings reel (17)
RS=25|103|26|68|149|103| = 3 9s reel (25)
third
RS=65|149|34|72|146|167| = 3 9s reel (72)
RS=38|17|104|122|63|25| = 3 9s reel (38)
RS=36|149|26|123|109|42| = 3 9s reel (36)
RS=109|139|37|76|53|92| = 3 9s reel (76)
RS=104|106|130|122|75|99| = 3 9s reel (99, last)
RS=167|49|1|76|107|131| = 3 9s reel (76 fourth)
RS=36|87|92|67|53|75|&TW= 3 9s reel (36 first, approx 40 minutes later)
The representations change on different reels. WORST CASE SCENARIO would be that several numbers on the POOL of 200 was assigned to same reels (I didn't think to test this).
You should all test this yourself to see. As I said, I don't know when or if the reelset change during one session, but as the two 9s on first reel within proofs, the reelset wasn't changed for at least 40 minutes. Totalling two hours of testing (thousands of spins), there were no number above 200. This means the possible reelsets per reel are limited to 200. You will see the winning combinations are WAY MORE impossible to hit than you would've believed with 'possible 117000 megaways'
5. OTHER OBSERVATIONS
- As I said, I don't know when the reelsets are changed. They might be changed on:
- only on game restart
- technical 'error' (unexplained)
- how many times have you gotten ERROR after hot streaks? Be on alert for this, as this would be ILLEGAL if the reelsets are changed between a good run by made-up-error!
- long pauses
- this data proofs the existance of hot/cold streaks. There are plenty of posts on Bonanza thread discussing about:
- no wins at all (most common)
- no GOLDs (second most common)
- two or three GOLDs in quick succession (the reels contain GOLDs and max. 200 possible variables obviously create more free spins)
- several 117 000 MW in quick succession (same as before)
- But what if the reelsets are profitable?
- might happen. I, myself have gotten some good runs (800xbet being the max win ever). However, that doesn't undo the FACT that every spin doesn't have equal chance in winning which should be the case.
- I don't have the access to backend code (thus haven't done anything illegal by hacking to their server). I am only using tools provided for everyone by browser.
- So, I don't have any proof of compensation or if the reelsets are calculated differently for different players/bet sizes
6. CONCLUSION
The way Bonanza is built, is to make it seem HUGE wins were possible. This data proofs that is not the case as every combination is not possible. I don't know if this is illegal or not (highly immoral in my opinion). However, which is Illegal is the fact that online casinos CLAIM every spin has an equal chance of winning. As I said before, imagine playing for hours on 10e bet - looking for that one big win. However, if the predetermined reelsets don't even offer you a chance for this, you might lose A LOT (and the casinos would keep lying to you).
7. PS
The reason I am posting this on this forum is because everything EVERY casino HELPDESK says is straight from providers. When asked for PROOF about the games randomness (eg. who reads the source code of the games), they tend to go quiet (and possibly even close your account accusing you of gambling addiction). MGA even said the games are ENTERTAINMENT when complaining about different game.
Also, If Bonanza is created like this, what is there to proof other games (Megaways and others) don't have something shady going on?
8. PPS
Anyone can prove me wrong (BTG, any casino REP, MGA). I mean PROOF, not empty promises. I still don't know the names of any testing agencies (as everyone has blatantly refused to tell me), but I wonder how this game has gone trought their bulletproof testing (I guess they only follow the RTP).
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