Is it true that affiliates make 25%-50% off MY LOSSES?!!

[A23456789TJQK]

I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.

 

[1819]

I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.

dont know if any casino is gonna give away 50% of their bottom line.

 

[phynqster]

Think about how the casino feels, taking all of the chance if you win, and don't get full credit if you lose. Also if you keep comming back it is because of what the casino is offering you in terms of service, payouts,bonus, setup, etc. And the affiliate owns you for life. If you stop playing at the casino, and two years from now the casino contacts you, and gets you to play again, the affiliate still gets their share.

 

[dominique]

makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.

Building a site with going on 3000 pages that need to be kept current and that provide info about just about every non blacklisted casino and every game in every software is doing nothing?

Putting hundreds of articles about the different strategies in poker and other games online is nothing?

I spend 10 hours a day to achieve this, and usually seven days a week. It took over 5 years of that to make my site what it is.

And all of it is free to use for anyone.

No one I know makes 50% or even remotely that, occasionally a brand new place tries to attract affiliates by offering some ungodly amount like that, for a very limited time.

There are other forms of payment too, like a percentage of wager, or deposit, or a one time payment per player sent.

For those who do choose percentage of losses, one decent winner will wipe out income for an entire month, and it happens frequently.

On top of that, the statistics provided by the casinos are not audited by anyone and no one ever knows if they are being paid what they earned or not.

Makes me sick someone would value my work so little...

 

[thetest32]

Remember though, if a player wins the aff. gets nothing. Similarly, wins / losses are summed. So:

Player 1 = win $100
Player 2 = lose $100

Net gain for aff = $0.

However, ultimately it means casinos get thousands of players for relatively small cost. And also remember that ultimately aff. programs means money for the casino. 30% of every $100 still manes the casino makes $70 per $100 for a player they wouldn't usually have acquired.

B.

 

[soflat]

I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.

If you don't like it, here are a few things you can do:
1. Don't open spam.
2. Don't use affiliate sites.
3. Use your bonuses wisely and cashout when you are ahead.
4. Reject any affiliate who says bonuses are bad.
5. Don't lose.

 

[liquidsoap]

I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.

Dont respond to spam then. Its better that any affiliate get it then the greedy ass casinos right???

 

[lydia]

. Its better that any affiliate get it then the greedy ass casinos right???

 

[A23456789TJQK]

Building a site with going on 3000 pages that need to be kept current and that provide info about just about every non blacklisted casino and every game in every software is doing nothing?

The casinos themselves will update me, you are useless.

Putting hundreds of articles about the different strategies in poker and other games online is nothing?

They are available in the web, its not like you DERIVED yourself. Anybody coulda gotten to those using Google just like you did.

I spend 10 hours a day to achieve this, and usually seven days a week. It took over 5 years of that to make my site what it is.

You spendin how much time is 100% irrelevant. I coulda spent my whole life pushing drugs or wiping my butt but will the time itself legitimizes my act and turn my act into something MEANINGFUL?

No one I know makes 50% or even remotely that, occasionally a brand new place tries to attract affiliates by offering some ungodly amount like that, for a very limited time.

So you DO make 50%. The timeframe itself is irrelevant.

For those who do choose percentage of losses, one decent winner will wipe out income for an entire month, and it happens frequently.

Emmmmmmmm How frequent? Won't them casinos be outta business then?

On top of that, the statistics provided by the casinos are not audited by anyone and no one ever knows if they are being paid what they earned or not.

Well with all due respect that's YOUR friggin problem ain't it? Has nothing to do with whether affiliates deserve 35% of my money.

Makes me sick finding out people like you ACTUALLY THINK you deserve my hard earned money, and actually tries so hard to argue with these extremely poor defences, lol!

But I stress it again, I am not totally dismissing what you do. If you make 10%, its ok, anything more than that you don't deserve it. My opinion.

 

[Simmo!]

4. Reject any affiliate who says bonuses are bad.

Damn - I'm gonna lose all my friends now

As an affiliate myself, I can't be 100% objective on this issue but I'd still like to have my say on the original topic.

IMO it's up to the player to decide if an affiliate gives value. Yes it's the casino who takes the hit (they regard affiliate payments as a marketing cost) so it's down to the player to decide if they prefer the idea of any money they lose going to the casino or an affiliate. Before I was an affiliate, it never used to bother me providing I felt that the info an affiliate had given me was solid, honest and up-front.

My take on it is this: if an affiliate provides useful information that a player cannot find out from the casino directly, or they get a useful honest review of a casino from an affiliate that helps them decide where/where not to play, then there's some value in that.

Take Casinomeister for example - A23456789TJQK you spend a fair bit of time here and use the service Bryan provides, I therefore assume you find the site useful. Therefore isn't it fair that Bryan gets some reward for his efforts? Especially in light of the fact that it doesn't cost you anything.

I don't dispute the fact that a lot of affiliates do not put as much effort into consideration of the player as they should, but those that do in my opinion are doing a useful job. In my opinion, players themselves make the most worthy affiliates. There are "good" affiliates and "bad" affiliates, just like there are "good" casinos and "bad" casinos, or "good" players and "bad" players. At the end of the day though, every individual has a choice (unless you live in Washington ).

10%, 25%, 50% or 100% - how do you put a value on information? If an affiliate prevents you from playing a rogue casino where you'd have lost hundreds of dollars, how do you value that? Not that you'll ever know of course

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[CasinoForumu]

Ok,A23456789TJQK, I will get %85 from your losses and please pay me extra $20 each time when you visit my site.

 

[cheekymonkey]

I understand where you are coming from A23456789TJQK.

But this happens in all trades of life.

When you book your ticket with your travel agent, they can make anything from 5% - 400% commission on your ticket.

When you take out your home insurance, your broker will take around 30% commission, maybe less maybe more.

When you buy your lottery ticket, the retailer receives a commission.

All these cases have one thing in common. A service is provided. That is basically what the affiliates do - offer a service. A service that you probably would not get, by dealing direct with the casino itself. You can find out who is safe and who isn't, who they are owned by etc etc.

And (sorry affiliates) you can always go DIRECT to the site, once you have read all the reviews from various sites. (Although, I think once you have visited a recommended site from an affiliate and then you still join the casino by directly going to the site, the affiliate will still receive their commission).

Anyway, try not to get too worked up about it.

 

[Vesuvio]

I don't think I've ever joined a casino through an affiliate link (it's not really a vocation I'd choose to encourage - and you can always go direct to the website), though I've toyed with the idea of suggesting a whole forum load of bonus hunters signing up through the odd player-unfriendly affiliate. You have been warned

One option to consider is joining up through sites which give you back a percentage of the commision they get from you - searching for various letters of the alphabet followed by "points" would get you to one or two of those

 

[dominique]

Although, I think once you have visited a recommended site from an affiliate and then you still join the casino by directly going to the site, the affiliate will still receive their commission

You are talking about cookies.

They get deleted and eliminated by adware removers and overwritten and expire etc.

FOR OVER 98% OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE MY SITE AS A REFERENCE SOURCE I NEVER SEE A PENNY.

I help people find casinos that won't cheat them, pick the type bonus they like and learn how to play smart.

Almost all the work I do is a public service and I don't deserve to be slammed for it.

I am not sure what percentage thanks Bryan for his hard work by clicking his links, but I bet it's some ridiculous percentage also.

Using a link COSTS YOU NOTHING, NOT A PENNY.

The casino pays out of their advertising budget. If the casino doesn't pay Bryan or me or some other site that provides a good service for you, they pay for other types of advertising, such as spam mail with the money.

It's a budget for them, advertising, and they always spend it. You can decide whether you want spam mail or whether you want decent resources available online.

 

[rowmare]

I'd just like to make a post to show that we webmasters aren't just greedy, faceless entities. Well...not all of us. So here's my condensed story.

I've been doing gambling sites for just under 3 years now. 3.5 years ago, I left a BAD marriage in U.S. and returned to canada with a 7 month old baby girl. I was 43 at the time, and had nothing to my name but what I could fit in my car for the trip up.

I worked at technical support (msn dial-up) until I couldn't take it anymore, then I quit and started cleaning houses to earn a living. While I was cleaning houses, I built a website. Didn't know a dang thing about html or SEO, but I learned as I went along.

I thank my lucky stars every day that I seemed to have a knack for it, because now I can stay at home with my little girl, and be here to support my mom who is a caregiver to my 81 year old father.

I sponsor a mother in Kosovo via this organization: Old / Expired Link monthly, and participate in local charities. Things like this are made possible via my websites.

We webmasters aren't all nameless scraper sites. All the webmasters that I consider my friends are good, honest family people who happen to earn a living on the internet. Without it, I don't know what I would do, since I live in a tourist area and need to stay here to support my parents, and there just aren't any jobs here that pay enough to live on, housecleaning excluded.

I answer every email I get from site visitors and have helped unlock a few accounts. By clicking on affiliate links on reputable portals rather than going direct, you get our assistance should anything go awry.

And, like cheekymonkey said, there's a trickle down economy in almost every business. Might as well let it trickle down and benefit from our relationships with the casinos and their managers. That costs you nothing at all.

 

[TheBloke]

Makes me sick finding out people like you ACTUALLY THINK you deserve my hard earned money, and actually tries so hard to argue with these extremely poor defences, lol!

You may be shocked to hear this, but did you know that when you buy a can of Coke from a shop, some of the revenue goes to the shop and not all to Coca Cola!? Shocking I know - some of your hard earned money going to someone who did nothing but provide you a way of choosing which can you wanted and allowing you to buy it! Seriously, I don't know what the world is coming to.

By the way, I hope you've never clicked on any of Casinomeister's banners or Accredited List links - if so, CM is scamming you out of 25-35% of your losses! The nerve.

Finally, you're a moron.

 

[The Dude]

Just a quick admin note that a majority of the casinos that are listed here DO NOT have affiliate links. These are media buys which differ from affiliate agreements. In other words, I don't get a cut of your losses - so whether you win or lose, it don't matter to me.

So go on, go kick some casino ass!

 

[dominique]

BTW, I always use Bryan's links.

I appreciate the hospitality and want to make sure it will be here tomorrow and next year.

 

[dominique]

They are available in the web, its not like you DERIVED yourself. Anybody coulda gotten to those using Google just like you did.

If anyone takes even one paragraph of my writing on my website which is copyrighted I will be on them like hell. It's my work, and it's copyrighted.

It's available on google because I and people like me put it there for people like you to read.

Emmmmmmmm How frequent? Won't them casinos be outta business then?

When you take in 100,000 a month like a casino, and somene wins 10,000, its nothing. When you take in 100 a month, and someone wins 10,000 of which you are to absorb 25%, you are f^cked for months and months and months.

Well with all due respect that's YOUR friggin problem ain't it? Has nothing to do with whether affiliates deserve 35% of my money.

No one ever gets any of your money but the casino. They then make the decision as to whether they buy spam, scraper ads or pay to keep the info online that you can so conveniently find for free on google. Someone put it there, you know.

Makes me sick finding out people like you ACTUALLY THINK you deserve my hard earned money, and actually tries so hard to argue with these extremely poor defences, lol!

Defenses? What am I defending here? I am damn proud of my work!

But I stress it again, I am not totally dismissing what you do. If you make 10%, its ok, anything more than that you don't deserve it. My opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I figure I am entitled to make a living for the work I do.

 

[jenn1381]

Who cares how much affiliates make or don't make? You CHOOSE to use them or to go to the site directly. It's none of your damn buisness how much they make. If you don't like someone (who provided you a service, whether you see it that way or not... if it's not a service, stay off their websites) collecting money from your losses then don't use their banners and links. It's as friggin easy as that. Just as has been said time and time again... No matter what you buy, the store gets commission... No matter where you go, the money you are spending is NOT all going to where you think it is. Get over it. It's the way of the world.

Now, let's all go find something more important to argue about.

 

[jenn1381]

Oh, and a small side note.. you don't walk into Walmart and insist to know how much money your cashier is making, do you? Same idea here. The money the cashier gets comes out of your pocket, and there are some awful cashiers out there. At least when it comes to which affiliate we support, we get a choice.

 

[sneakattack]

Personally i think a good affiliate has every right to take a cut. In fact id be much happier if this site got 50% of my losses. Good affiliates are players allies while a casino is at best a friendly adversary. You are competing against the casino, this isnt poker where a site facilitates playing, you are directly gambling against the site.

I dont know if you can answer this, but what kind of cut does the site get for affiliate links.

Also i was wondering if you had ever considered posting a link to amazon or some other such vender (in a discreet location) so that those who choose to give a little to the site, can do so at no cost to themselves.

 

[A23456789TJQK]

If anyone takes even one paragraph of my writing on my website which is copyrighted I will be on them like hell. It's my work, and it's copyrighted.
When you take in 100,000 a month like a casino, and somene wins 10,000, its nothing. When you take in 100 a month, and someone wins 10,000 of which you are to absorb 25%, you are f^cked for months and months and months.

STOP LYING. I am sure most aff programs have no negative carry overs. If not if somebody hit a progressive jackpot you will dump that casino immediately as there is no hope of getting $ for life. Most casinos are smart enough to realize that and so they dont carry any negative balances to the next month.

You mentioned 'strategies', I presume it means either two things:
- narrow directions as to what to do in particular situation in a particular game, as in a Blackjack chart. Are you intelligent enough to actually MAKE a BJ chart by yourself and copyright it. Could you tell us where to start at all in making a chart like this? Don't think so!
- wide directions as to the games in general, like 'don't gamble with money you don't have', or 'if you can't spot a fish then you are the fish', etc. And I don't think anybody will actually benefit from reading useless shits like this.
Or you might still wanna argue you give guidance to players to help them avoid bad casinos. Well in that case whether your work is honorable at all depends on the assumption that there are bad casinos. If I sign up with only reputable casinos like William Hill or Ladbrokes do you think your existence is worthwhile and PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED YOU like you claim?

YOU THINK PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEED AFFILIATES?
Its the casinos who need you, not us. And on a side note, if these casinos decide not to pay you from now on, you automatically become nobody, become a piece of trash. Are you still proud of that?

 

[The Dude]

... Are you intelligent enough to actually MAKE a BJ chart by yourself and copyright it. Could you tell us where to start at all in making a chart like this? Don't think so!....And I don't think anybody will actually benefit from reading useless shits like this. ...do you think your existence is worthwhile and PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED YOU like you claim?

Memo to A23456789TJQK, watch the personal attacks. Last warning.

 

[rowmare]

Wow, A23456789TJQK feels passionately about this.

I don't understand why you're so upset about it, A23456789TJQK, if you use an affiliate link to get to a casino, it costs you absolutely nothing.

I have an idea, why don't you not click on any affiliate links? Then you have nothing to be upset about.

Here's another point to consider: Affiliates pay taxes on their earnings in their respective countries, and affiliates tend to be residents of the same countries as players. Not so for casinos.

And there ARE a lot of programs who have negative carry overs. Also, there are a lot of programs who bundle all the properties; that is, if one of their casinos has a winner, that amount is deducted from the profit to the affiliate from ALL their properties. A bit more than half of the programs do not have either negative carryovers or bundling.

Progressive wins do not come out of the affiliate's profits - they are pooled together between casinos of the same software, extracted from the lower odds on jackpot games. At least that's my understanding of how jackpots work.

 

[dominique]

STOP LYING. I am sure most aff programs have no negative carry overs. If not if somebody hit a progressive jackpot you will dump that casino immediately as there is no hope of getting $ for life. Most casinos are smart enough to realize that and so they dont carry any negative balances to the next month.

You mentioned 'strategies', I presume it means either two things:
- narrow directions as to what to do in particular situation in a particular game, as in a Blackjack chart. Are you intelligent enough to actually MAKE a BJ chart by yourself and copyright it. Could you tell us where to start at all in making a chart like this? Don't think so!
- wide directions as to the games in general, like 'don't gamble with money you don't have', or 'if you can't spot a fish then you are the fish', etc. And I don't think anybody will actually benefit from reading useless shits like this.
Or you might still wanna argue you give guidance to players to help them avoid bad casinos. Well in that case whether your work is honorable at all depends on the assumption that there are bad casinos. If I sign up with only reputable casinos like William Hill or Ladbrokes do you think your existence is worthwhile and PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED YOU like you claim?

YOU THINK PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEED AFFILIATES?
Its the casinos who need you, not us. And on a side note, if these casinos decide not to pay you from now on, you automatically become nobody, become a piece of trash. Are you still proud of that?

Lots of casinos have negative carryovers.

Odd, for a player to know this, that's affiliate jargon. Perhaps Bryan needs to compare your IP to a couple others. This is starting to feel like a targeted, personal attack. Some people have nothing better to do...

Actually, I did write the BJ strategy myself, albeit it's not in chart form. I even wrote the craps strategy myself. Although I must admit, I don't write the poker strategies myself, I pay someone better than me to do it and then own the copyright.

Apparently you need me so you have someone to target, but I sure as heck don't need you.

Anyway, you baited me and you caught me. I actually thought I was having an intelligent conversation here. You should be happy.

 

[paul02085]

You affs need to chill out. This guy is obviously doing this just to yank your chains. I think he wants to see how far in the negative he can get his rep on here. Worst thing u can do is get worked up, thats what he wants you to do.

 

[Linus]

Wow.

"Reputation Points: -73"

I don't think I've ever seen that number drop so far, so fast.

 

[Simmo!]

You affs need to chill out. This guy is obviously doing this just to yank your chains. I think he wants to see how far in the negative he can get his rep on here. Worst thing u can do is get worked up, thats what he wants you to do.

LOL. Good observation methinks Paul

I'm all for good debate on the boards but it just leaves a nasty taste in the mouth when people get personal. Nothing wrong with a bit of passion but that can be achieved whilst still maintaining a level of respect for other people. Has to be said that in general the Meister community are a nice bunch of people though

 

[karlo]

STOP LYING. I am sure most aff programs have no negative carry overs. If not if somebody hit a progressive jackpot you will dump that casino immediately as there is no hope of getting $ for life. Most casinos are smart enough to realize that and so they dont carry any negative balances to the next month.

You mentioned 'strategies', I presume it means either two things:
- narrow directions as to what to do in particular situation in a particular game, as in a Blackjack chart. Are you intelligent enough to actually MAKE a BJ chart by yourself and copyright it. Could you tell us where to start at all in making a chart like this? Don't think so!
- wide directions as to the games in general, like 'don't gamble with money you don't have', or 'if you can't spot a fish then you are the fish', etc. And I don't think anybody will actually benefit from reading useless shits like this.
Or you might still wanna argue you give guidance to players to help them avoid bad casinos. Well in that case whether your work is honorable at all depends on the assumption that there are bad casinos. If I sign up with only reputable casinos like William Hill or Ladbrokes do you think your existence is worthwhile and PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED YOU like you claim?

YOU THINK PLAYERS NEEEEEEEEEEEEED AFFILIATES?
Its the casinos who need you, not us. And on a side note, if these casinos decide not to pay you from now on, you automatically become nobody, become a piece of trash. Are you still proud of that?

I neeeeeeeed the affiliates!!!
But anyway why keep this argument going, like paul says. It is hard to argue with someone who doesn't have any arguments but just throws dirt. Just thought I would say that I really need the affiliates.

 

[nafanny29]

A23... you started a really interesting thread on a DEBATE forum, people DEBATE your thoughts and you get personal

Anyway my 2c.

If casinos didnt have "affiliates" it would be a totally different industry. There would be 10 times the number of thieving, scumbag casinos cheating proberly 100x more players than are cheated today.

There would be hardly any websites that offer advice and strategy to help lower a casinos edge, or to offer help in the event you get ripped off. Hell I wouldnt even be typing this post.

Im sure there are many other reasons why we should be glad of this system but ive only just woke up and am hungover so thats all I can think of for now.

Thank goodness for affiliates I say.

 

[Linus]

If casinos didnt have "affiliates" it would be a totally different industry.

Affiliates are people who get paid to promote casinos. Like all promoters everywhere, they're not always truthful or objective when it comes to describing the products they're promoting. Unless you drive a Ford because you heard on tv they're built "Ford Tough," or drink beer because it's "Miller Time," you should be careful about taking anything an affiliate says at face value.

If you disagree, please consider - when you read an affiliate review, why is it nowhere in the review do they disclose they're getting paid by the casino they're reviewing?

 

[nafanny29]

Affiliates are people who get paid to promote casinos. Like all promoters everywhere, they're not always truthful or objective when it comes to describing the products they're promoting. Unless you drive a Ford because you heard on tv they're built "Ford Tough," or drink beer because it's "Miller Time," you should be careful about taking anything an affiliate says at face value.

If you disagree, please consider - when you read an affiliate review, why is it nowhere in the review do they disclose they're getting paid by the casino they're reviewing?

Good point Linus, and true there are loads of sites out there that dont give a flying f**k about the players as long as they get their $$$. And one could argue that if people are willing to believe everything they read on the net they deserve to be ignorant of which sites are bs and which truely care whether the player/customer comes first. I mean its not that hard to tell really.

Being among the ignorant 3 years ago I quickly (1 month if that!!) gathered who is giving a stuff about the players and whos not. Sites like this one are absolutely priceless in the online gaming industry because they actually do have influence over casino behaviours due to their high following. Without CM for example the English Harbour "software error/new double up error/blantent cheating" (pick whickever you believe!!!) would have gone undetected for months if not years.

Just one example out of proberly hundreds if not thousands that this site alone has exposed and has had a positive impact on for us the players.

 

[A23456789TJQK]

A23... you started a really interesting thread on a DEBATE forum, people DEBATE your thoughts and you get personal

Yeah of course they are debating my thought and I love it!!!
But should you come look at my rep points, its sinking by the day. Why? Because some people are not man enough to bring the problems on the table but instead gave me negative 'reviews' with comments like 'moron', 'idiot', 'troll', etc.

I suppose this is what CM intended, keeping words like these off the boards and let them fking cowards send these hate mails in the back.

 

[NoMouthToScream]

Let me sum up this whole debate.

GOOD affiliates are good, BAD affiliates are bad.

See the difference?

 

[A23456789TJQK]

OK I AM CALM NOW

First my apologies - I started this post because I was rather amazed to learn my losses are transferred to a third party who actually had rather little to do between me and the casino.

I got out of control because you guys are all stabbing me at the back with these bad reviews and in these reviews people called me names which are nothing but personal attacks which CM would definitely not endorse. People like Slotsters, Dominik, and Casinoformu to list a few all sent me negative reviews...BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE AFFILIATES THEMSELVES! Do you guys see the funny part here? When I write something negative to their business they eff me in the back and up front they try to pretend fair. If the debate is about affiliates I think affiliates should refrain from rating the post starter in any circumstances just to be fair. Not to mention that post starter has no means to 'rate' you back (I am deprived of that priviliege as I am below zero in rep points).

And somewhere in the line somebody said I was trying to personally attack him. LOL, I did not 'target' anyone . I started this thread pointing to nobody and you are under fire all because just happened to reply, that's all.

 

[A23456789TJQK]

Between this post and my post above (5 minutes??), I just blew my last $ in my Neteller account.

I have cut my two VISAs that Neteller still accept so that means I am done gambling. I have been gambling online for 3 months and I lost a total of $700. I was actually up $5,000 the first two months. It was crazy really.

The only thing I want to say is I am glad unlike my CM rep points my Neteller balance can't be negative! And you guys can kiss my ass. Bye!

 

[lydia]

with comments like 'moron', 'idiot', 'troll', etc.

I suppose this is what CM intended, keeping words like these off the boards and let them fking cowards send these hate mails in the back.

100% agree! I don't understand if somebody who has different opinion on a subject, has no better arguments as 'stupid post' or something like that. Wenn I read such comments I always think - how primitiv, stupid yorself. You can be sarcastic, ironic, skeptic to argument but using insults puts down only the person who use them.

 

[The Dude]

Admin Note:

I'll just step in for a moment as a moderator. Reputation points can be given or taken away from and by members. Members may include notes to let you know why there are praising or disagreeing with you. No one is getting effed in the back.

When you get riled up about something, and use language that others may find insulting, then expect others feel and do the same.

BUT after reviewing A23456789TJQK's reputation comments (yes, as a moderator I am privy to these) I can conclude that overall, the forum members have restrained themselves.

Since A23456789TJQK is making an accusation that he's a victim of insults, it's only fair for me to share A23456789TJQK reputation comments associated with this thread:

Calling someone useless is a bit naughty when they're trying to help!
You are unbelievable, and have no clue what you are talking about. Grow up, or go away.
Antagonising people achieves nothing.
Personal attack on a longstanding and respected member. You need to calm down!
holy dude, calm the hell down. its your damn choice to support them or not, if you don't like it, don't support them. seriously, take a pill, there's plenty more important things to get this worked up over.
personal attack

I don't see anyone calling you a moron or using the sort of language that you've been throwing around.

Now further, there are two comments:

Bad Attitude Idiot!
for this posting here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/intercasino-uk-removed-700-from-my-account.13092/

troll
for this posting here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/intercasino-uk-removed-700-from-my-account.13092/

Since these could be considered namecalling, I'll delete these two - no prob.

Also, the last 15 members who have given you negative reputation points, only 5 are affiliate/webmasters. Please don't make accusations against fellow forum members if you can't back it up.

 

[A23456789TJQK]

Also, the last 15 members who have given you negative reputation points, only 5 are affiliate/webmasters. Please don't make accusations against fellow forum members if you can't back it up.

What you have done is to reject me by rejecting what I have said. But I didn't say anything you claimed I said- you made those up.

I said SOME gave me insults in the back not EVERY (I maintain that it is "in the back" as it is not open in the public.)

I said SOME are affiliates, I didn't say ALL.

I did 'back myself up' in both situations which you already acknowledged in your post.

But I forgive you. I take it you are too busy to read what I wrote in detail hence the misunderstanding, and you are not trying to find ways to reject/discredit me further.

Could you please explain your thoughts here, whether you think it is fair for people whose interest is in question for a particular topic, to deduct rep points for the poster? I think they should not be allowed in any circumstances as there will be some sort of conflict of interest. Not that I care anymore though. Please kindly close my account with your forum as I mentioned above I am done gambling online.

BTW, I think if my reps keep sinking eventually I'll become a hero.

 

[maxfalcon]

Personally I respect everyone's opinion here. But there's no real issue here. What is the difference between the casino manager and the affiliate? They are two humans in the "same" industry, that make money on your losses. That's all.

After, there are bad casino managers and bad affiliates, as well. But I don't think that those visiting and posting often at Meister, or that take the time to reply to insults are the bad ones.

Everyone is free to do what he/she want. Support them or not. But as long as you support casinos as a player, even directly, there will be affiliates in the middle, because this form of marketing is directly associated with online casinos, at least in the current state of things... Personally I think that the good affiliates have done a great job at unifying the industry, and have helped players as well as casinos themselves.

And affiliates are not restricted to online casinos... This is a very ancient form of marketing of the web itself... When you go to comparaison shopping site, when you visit free-content-driven sites, and that you purchase products they get a share!

Without that, why the good webmasters would care at working so much to put a good content sites (in every industry) if nobody pays them?

Do you work for nothing?

So let's be realistic.

I will also give up just one little example. As an affiliate, I also care of the image this industry is given. We (the affiliates) lately fighted a big spammer which was spamming a lot for one online casino. I've even been attacked by this jerk, personally. And I've not made that because this was a 'competitor'. I've done that because: 1), I care when spammers do a bad image to this industry, 2) because I hate spammers, 3) because I just think it's my job.

So without good affiliates, I'm sure there will be a lot more problems. Without also reponsible affiliate managers that talk with casino managers. That's a whole picture/circle, do you see it?

And (sorry affiliates) you can always go DIRECT to the site, once you have read all the reviews from various sites.

Arrggg, CM please give me his/her IP. I need to ban him.

 

[A23456789TJQK]

Now further, there are two comments:

Bad Attitude Idiot!
for this posting here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/intercasino-uk-removed-700-from-my-account.13092/

troll
for this posting here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/intercasino-uk-removed-700-from-my-account.13092/

Since these could be considered namecalling, I'll delete these two - no prob.

Addition to last post as I am not allowed to edit the post I just made:

(There is actually one more where I was called a 'moron'.)

So when people call me names, it is 'OK, I'll delete them' but when I call other names (as a matter of fact I didn't!!!!) I get -5 Rep points from everyone and the eternal condemnation?

What I suggest (not chanllenging your reign, just a suggestion) you to do to make things fair for me:
1, deduct -5 points for everyone who called me names
2, add back points deducted by affiliates WHO did not quite qualified their 'review' (i.e. give sufficient explaination as to why they think my post is bad)

Again, not that I care, just giving you an opportunity to show everybody what sense of fairness you hold.

Bye now.

 

[chuchu59]

Addition to last post as I am not allowed to edit the post I just made:

(There is actually one more where I was called a 'moron'.)

So when people call me names, it is 'OK, I'll delete them' but when I call other names (as a matter of fact I didn't!!!!) I get -5 Rep points from everyone and the eternal condemnation?

What I suggest (not chanllenging your reign, just a suggestion) you to do to make things fair for me:
1, deduct -5 points for everyone who called me names
2, add back points deducted by affiliates WHO did not quite qualified their 'review' (i.e. give sufficient explaination as to why they think my post is bad)

Again, not that I care, just giving you an opportunity to show everybody what sense of fairness you hold.

Bye now.

A-K,

First, I know that you will be incensed by whatever I post but i strongly urge you to read on.

We are not here to make enemies. Rather, we are all gamers/gamblers who want to discuss with each other on gambling-related topics and to have a good time. Disagreement is commonplace so even if you disagree with others you dont have to bear a grudge against him/her. In this very thread, Dominque tried to explain the role of an affiliate and your comments were very unkind even to the point of being insulting. Well, if you didnt like the affiliate getting such a large slice of your money, why dont you suggest getting a portion of it back if you did sign through her instead of branding her 'useless'.

At this stage, you think that everybody is working against you especially with all those negative points and comments but if you could ask a friend of yours to view all these posts, ask him for his objective opinion and whether your comments have been a bit over the top. Frankly, your posts do add some colour and spice to the forum and if you left with a bad taste in your mouth, it would be detrimental to everybody, including all members of this forum. Okay, A-K, time to mend fences.

 

[The Dude]

Addition to last post as I am not allowed to edit the post I just made:

(There is actually one more where I was called a 'moron'.)

So when people call me names, it is 'OK, I'll delete them' but when I call other names (as a matter of fact I didn't!!!!) I get -5 Rep points from everyone and the eternal condemnation?

What I suggest (not chanllenging your reign, just a suggestion) you to do to make things fair for me:
1, deduct -5 points for everyone who called me names
2, add back points deducted by affiliates WHO did not quite qualified their 'review' (i.e. give sufficient explaination as to why they think my post is bad)

Again, not that I care, just giving you an opportunity to show everybody what sense of fairness you hold.

Bye now.

A-man, the Reputation process is already fair. You can earn points just as easily as it is to have them taken away. Every member in the forum has the ability to become involved in this.

If members are upset at any comments they receive, then I'm here at their disposal to deal with this.

Also, I don't care if it's affiliates or casino owners, or whomever who are excersing their right to give/take rep points - these are forum members; there is no us vs.them crap going on here.

I deleted the two "insulting" comments and their effect. I don't see the "moron" rep comment though.

By the way, your profile says you're in Canada, but as far as I can tell - you're in Hong Kong. What's up with that?

 

[lydia]

Finally, you're a moron.

 

[The Dude]

I was looking at A-man's reputation comments. Thanks!

Back to the topic: are affiliates overpaid? And what good are they anyway

 

[lydia]

I can't say anything about affiliates, because I use their services very seldom, but I am sure glad, that there some good sites, like this one (my favorite ) and others, I would be lost in casinos 'jungles' without it. And I think not many people would do 'charity' sacrifying their time and efforts just for fun even if they enjoy it. I am not money-greedy (unfortunately), but even I wouldn't do it 'free of charge'. I think, with affiliates its exactly the same as with casinos - pure luck. Somebody said already here - there good affiliates (and casinos) and bad.

 

[KasinoKing]

Back to the topic: are affiliates overpaid? And what good are they anyway

You mean some of them get paid???

I've invested lots of money & goodness knows how many 100's of hours on my site and not seen a penny yet.

It's OK, don't cry people... no, hold it back... stiff upper lip!

 

[lydia]

I've invested lots of money & goodness knows how many 100's of hours on my site and not seen a penny yet.

Oooh, poor you - overworked and underpaid...

Just kidding, I am sure it will be coming soon - your site is

 

[Mousey]

I'm sorry, but I seem to be long winded this morning.

I'm just a player and I'm amazed that the affiliate hold from player losses can be as high as some have stated. It would appear that casinos advertising expenses are so high they couldn't dole out much in the way of real comps if they wanted to.

I've asked this question in the forum before (ages ago) but no one ever really gave me a clear answer. What are an online casinos expenses? At least this thread about affiliates clues me in on where some (a majority?) of online gaming expenses are going.

When I walk into my favorite B&M casino, I SEE a lot of their day to day expenses: 2000 room hotel with marble floors in public areas, desk clerks, housemaids, maintenance men; casino lighting and A/C, machine attendants & techs, cocktail waitresses who carry around comp booze that the casino must also pay for, bartenders, several high def TVs at each of the 3 or 4 bars, dealers, playing cards and chips, cashiers; 4 eating facilities, chefs, waiters, hostesses, etc., etc. But when I go play there 3 or 4 days, I don't pay for my room (rack rate $59 per weeknight) or sometimes a suite (rack rate $119 per weeknight) or food ($90 per day average) and I get a free dinner for two at their fancy schmancy steak house on my birthday, and anniversary, etc. ($200). And then there's the cash back on points I earn per trip (usually runs $50 - $150) that I walk out with when I check out.

Now someone is going to say I must be a high roller. Nope. I play too tight and roll too low to be a high roller even at a land based casino. Let's put it this way (without getting too specific regarding numbers)... My gambling trip stake for 4 nights B&M casino stay, is about equal to what I was spending at my 2 or 3 fav online casinos in one week (back when I could occasionally hit something). And I only go to a B&M casino 3 or 4 times per year (long drive). They don't have to give me all that stuff for free, but they do it because they want me to come back to give them another chance at my money. They trust the house edge. Even if I walk out $2000 ahead for a trip, they still want me to come back. Why? Because they can't win it back off me if I never come back or decide to take the majority of my play elsewhere.

Lest you think I'm getting too far afield... B&M casinos also have Hosts who also make a commission off their high roller players losses -- sometimes only on the 'theo' (theoretical losses or house edge). BUT.... there's only a handful of Hosts per casino (depending on the size of the facility). I think my B&M casino in the example above has about 10 Hosts, 2 or 3 are strictly for really high rollers and whales.

I think there should be fewer affilates overall. Let's face it, there's a lot out there promoting bad casinos. I would be interested in knowing how many affilates are connected to each online casino (on average).

I also think online casinos should be spending less on advertising (including affiliates) which is targeting getting new players in the door, and spending more on keeping players.

Back to mr alphabet's original question: Do affiliates make 25% - 50% off player losses? Affiliate programs actually offer that much pay back? Oh my...

KK: My condolences. Give it some time.

Now... let's all have a morning cuppa java shall we?