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Document verification - POLL

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by chayton, Jun 17, 2011.

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Document Preapproval - mandatory or not?

  1. As is - Docs are sent when I make a withdrawal.

    36 vote(s)
    50.7%
  2. Not let me deposit unless my docs are approved.

    35 vote(s)
    49.3%
    Jun 17, 2011
  1. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I know this has come up several times but I couldn't find a poll. I just wanted to find out what the percentages are.

    If you had the opportunity to change the way casinos handle verification documents, would you vote for mandatory pre-approval or leave things as they are?

    EDIT: Ran out of space on the poll, but the first option (As is) also should include that if you want your docs approved before playing, you can always contact the casino to do it.
     
  2. Jun 18, 2011
  3. P.V.

    P.V. Senior Member webmeister

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    I voted no before reading your message below.

    I think it should be the players preference whether they want to be pre-approved or during the withdraw.

    Of course this is for hard doc. verification, doesn't include internal data base checks during auto. registration, or additional back ground checks after the fact.
     
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  4. Jun 18, 2011
  5. Dangerous53

    Dangerous53 Experienced Member

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    Definitely before withdrawal, sometimes I will sign up to a casino and not like it after a small deposit. If I don't plan on returning to play there, why would I send in docs?

    One pet peeve I have is the speed they pay out at, when I deposit with moneybookers. I guess they can't grasp the concept of the slower they pay, the less I'll play.
     
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  6. Jun 18, 2011
  7. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Especially if it's a new casino - imagine if someplace like JH or one of those other rogue casinos that's popped up in the last few years had your info...? After all, the really scummy rogue casinos don't balk at selling email addresses, imagine what could they do with your name and address and CC numbers!

    Actually there was once a casino I wanted to try, I can't remember which one it was, but it was one of those that you play in your browser (no download) and you had to enter a CC number to even sign up. I contacted them and said, "I don't use credit cards to gamble, I'll be using moneybookers or neteller only." They said it didn't matter, they still wanted a credit card number to even open an account. Maybe I'm paranoid but that sounded fishy to me, so I said no thanks.

    I'd probably trust the casinos on the accredited list here to send docs for preapproval though - but if I wasn't depositing with a credit card and they asked for one anyhow I'd find it peculiar too.
     
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  8. Jun 18, 2011
  9. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Quick question chayton......did u want everyone to see who voted for what for a reason? Just wondering as it's unusual. :)
     
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  10. Jun 18, 2011
  11. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Thanks Nifty, I didn't know that I had. I must have done something wrong when I set it up, this is only the second poll I've ever done so I'm kinda lame at it. :oops:

    Does it matter, do you think? Will anyone care if everyone can see which way they voted? If anyone does maybe we can get one of the mods to change it, I don't think that I can...or can I?
     
  12. Jun 18, 2011
  13. H1_Roller

    H1_Roller Non-Gambler

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    A. I prefer to send Docs when they are requested.
     
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  14. Jun 19, 2011
  15. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    Before deposit would mean every dang crap casino would have my docs too so I'd rather have it remain as is but I never waited till a win to send them except when the win was immediate which was twice.
    I'm trying to decide now if I should renew my docs at the few choices we have or just hang for awhile.
    Thanks chayton
     
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  16. Jun 19, 2011
  17. greasemonkey

    greasemonkey Banned User - flaming

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    USA
    If we truly had the choice here wouldn't you rather send in your docs and get approved PRIOR to playing rather than having them go through your info with a fine toothed comb looking for any loophole NOT to pay you? Plus the delay that adds to an already slow process seems silly. If they want to inspect you before paying you then they should inspect you before accepting money from you. It seems clear to me that you give them much power by deflecting docs until cashout rather than having them commit to you as a player prior to getting your money.
     
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  18. Jun 19, 2011
  19. H1_Roller

    H1_Roller Non-Gambler

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    I agree with your point, I would just be a bit funny about giving my personal information to every single casino I register at before I know if I'm going to remain a player there.
    But it's a double-edged sword because I often find it odd that certain casinos will happily accept countless deposits from me day after day without batting an eyelid, yet put the barricades up as soon as I request a withdrawal. The very same casinos will actually still accept further deposits whilst a withdrawal is 'pending verification' (I've tested it out).
    They need ID to pay me, but not to get paid BY me....
     
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  20. Jun 19, 2011
  21. luarod

    luarod Experienced Member

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    Madrid
    poll

    I don't like my docs flying around the web. I prefer to send them when they request me to do it. Although I have to agree that if you are preapproved there will be less "getting the money" problems.
     
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  22. Jun 19, 2011
  23. brucake

    brucake Banned User - player fraud - flaming troll

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    I would rather have my docs flying around than my money being on hold. It is no contest for me. Accept prior to taking money. Anything else is wrong. You should not give these casinos power to back out of paying you should they choose to find some obscure detail odd. If they accept money and accept your bets then they should pay. Period.
     
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  24. Jun 19, 2011
  25. Repro

    Repro Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

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    I think security checks are done very intensive these days and most of it already happens when a player signes up. They verify/check for double streetnames/zipcodes/etc but also ip-adresses/macadresses. Most of the crap/abusers SHOULD be filtered this way before the player even opened a game.

    With this in mind i think it's not needed to ask for docs before a cashout and even than i think docs should only be asked in case of realistic doubts about the player OR a law that demands it in some countries.

    I mean, why did i never had to send in docs at 32RED and 3DICE ? It's because they did a check and found that i really was a new player. On top of that i deposit with NETELLER so all the id-checks have already been (intensively) done.
     
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  26. Jun 19, 2011
  27. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    I guess as long as it is an accredited casino or referred to me by another player I trust then yes, I'd prefer to start playing with everything in order and be good to go. But then again, if a casino decides it can't pay you for some reason or another, your docs wont matter since they'll just find another reason or maybe even go so far as to fabricate a reason. They might even change their name 2 weeks later.:mad: oops sorry :D
     
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  28. Jun 19, 2011
  29. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Some good points here. :thumbsup:

    I think it is important to note that pre-verification doesn't necessarily mean that a cashout will be free of delays and scrutiny e.g. bonus requirements. It would also be an issue if the player decided to use another payment method.

    The real problem isn't that pre-verification isn't doable, its that it would be incredibly time consuming and would turn away far more players than it attracts.....unless every casino adopts it simultaneously, which isn't going to happen. Considering that doc verification as it stands can sometimes take a day or two, you can imagine how long it would take if the casino was going through every players docs at once (which would happen at a new casino and upon implementation at an existing one). I'm not sure about anyone else, but I wouldn't be prepared to wait 2-3 days to make my first deposit.

    The way things are now, the only players who have anything to fear from reputable operators are those who break the rules or try to run some kind of scam. In the case of the inetbet player in the other thread, there is no gaurantee that pre-verification would have uncovered the rule breach as the OP had previously used other methods (unless the casino does a lot of cross-checking which means even more delays).

    I am yet to see a case where a genuine player who followed the rules at a reputable casino has had their winnings confiscated, which tells me that when it comes to verification and security screening it really is a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". People have to accept responsibility for their own actions and stop expecting everyone else to "stop" them from doing the wrong thing. If you think a rule is unfair, don't play. If you do play, then accept the consequences if you break it.
     
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  30. Jun 19, 2011
  31. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    More good points. The time it would take to check and verify before deposit would be a pain to both player and casino. Maybe the next Poll should be 'Are you willing to hold off playing X amount of time while the casino verifies your docs?' I think most would go elsewhere. So we either wait before depositing or during a cash-out. Or do like me:p and send your docs thru right after your 1st deposit since by then I usually know if I'll be going back there or not. Geez, sometimes the more we talk about this stuff the better a land casino sounds. :confused:
     
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  32. Jun 20, 2011
  33. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    I'd be in favor of a central doc site. You could upload all your stuff, update as necessary, then a casino could retrieve this info, once authorized with a PIN# from you.
    This site, would, of course need to be secure. Frankly, I'd rather not have more documents in people's hands than was absolutely necessary.

    I vote NO to the question.
     
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  34. Jun 20, 2011
  35. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

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    What I would like to see, as with many casinos they have sister sites, so they all use they same support, have 1 data bank for all of them. I have sisters site ask for documents already approved at another sister site and when I pointed out that they were already approved, I was told that the site asking for them doesn't have them and they need them.

    I think if RTG had a data bank, Microgames had their own and all other platforms, this would do each of them a service, and cut down on the red tape and headaches.

    LH
     
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  36. Jun 20, 2011
  37. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    From their end they probably already have a central data base but from our end they want to appear independent of each other, otherwise we might only go to one instead of trying them all. just my opinion. :)
     
  38. Jun 20, 2011
  39. Papa-ya

    Papa-ya Dormant account

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    I didn't vote as I am getting tired of this whole document thing. I can purchase and pay for anything, even my bills on the internet without having to send in a copy of my drivers license, front and back copy of my credit/debit card, recent utility bill.

    I didn't even have to go through all this to open my bank account.

    If I deposit with my debit card and win, then the only place the money should be paid back to is the means it came from. I know there are arguments against this thinking, but that is my opinion.

    Over the years I have played at so many casinos and sent in docs and much of my info is at crappy casinos as well, including good casinos that went bad, casinos that closed to US players, casinos that just closed. If this document thing is not obviously ridiculous then I don't know what is.

    I know we get manipulated in many things into thinking, "it's for your protection", but seriously, the more information I give, the less protected I feel and for online casinos? Just give me a secure means of depositing/withdrawing and let me protect the rest of my private information.

    I can walk in a B&M, play all day, cashout and walk away and never have to show anything to prove I won fair and square.

    The whole document thing is just outdated IMO.
     
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