BTG feature buys no longer in the UK

[sufferinsilence]

Mixed feelings about this. The bonus buys where you can gamble your spins/multiplier are probably the worst kind while on White Rabbit for example you're atleast guaranteed the feature you just bought. But since it's easier to just blanket ban any and all bonus buy I get it they don't make a distinction between the two. On the other hand, people who want to do their bollocks in will still do them... You don't need bonus buys for that.

To be honest, what I hope is that they will just roll out versions without bonus buys to all jurisdictions and in the mean time do something about bonus frequency. Idle hope most likely...

 

[L&L-Jan]

Anybody know when this is in effect from?

Well the game providers already informed to action. So it us now up to the operator. I'm pretty sure some will extend it as long as possible,until the game provider starts to threatened them - they will action.

I have all the thrust in blueprint being fast to remove the feature buy, however, I finished the removal of the games for UK customers upon login.

These megaways/multiplier games are left to play:
- Rainbow riches megaways
- Bonanza
- Diamond Mine
- Bar-X Safecrackerwhore (dont copy/paste)
- Batteship Direct Hit MEgaways
- Irish Riches Megaways
- Kingmakers megaways
- Primal Megaays
- Raging Rhino Megaways
- Slots O Gold Megaways
- Tiki Treasure megaways
- Bonanza
- Who wants to be a millionaire
- Diamond mine
- Danger High Voltage
- DOnuts
- Lil devil
- Final of countdown
- Dragon Born
- Holy Diver
- Kingmaker Megaways
- Opal Fruits
- Queen of Riches
- Starquest

 

[shadow123]

How many are going ?
Suggest players check for part paid bonus buys before the games dissapear everwhere

 

[Reelsoffun]

More to the point what happens to the ones that you have lowered the buy in on like white rabbit, chilli ??

My mate always saves them down to about a £1 on stakes 20p,40p,60p,80p, £1 and then buys them all for £1 each on a weekend !

I best warn him they could go at anytime? !

 

[slotter999]

I wonder why the UKGC don't simply revoke the certification of these slots and eliminate the problem at source?

It seems slightly contradictory that they are instructing casinos to remove games which are presumably still certified?

But in regards to the decision - the UKGC are showing once again that they are a regulator focused on protecting players. Bravo!

I am personally a fan of bonus buys and big bets but understand they have the potential to cause responsible gambling issues, therefore, I support this decision for the greater good.

 

[thr0b]

“Don’t copy/paste” @L&L-Jan - too late!

 

[shadow123]

Quite suprized they have the power to introduce this out the blue considering how long it took to reduce the fobt stakes.
Actually think its unfair on the developers, they produce a game that conforms to the existing regulations then have the rug
pulled out from under them with no warning.
Personally i will miss the bonus buys, never went silly enough with them to cause problems,but I realize some players may have
tilted big time with them.
It will kill off some of the games as the base play can be dire and removing a means of getting a feature without
going brain dead is going to put players off.I also think the streamers may have played a part in this decision as
anyone watching multiple buys at 1k a pop may well think there is a problem here
One game that will suffer is Chilli,it will be close to impossible to gamble up to 24 spins when it could take hundreds
of plays to achieve a feature it the first place.

 

[thr0b]

One game that will suffer is Chilli,it will be close to impossible to gamble up to 24 spins when it could take hundreds
of plays to achieve a feature it the first place.

I suspect it won’t affect that many people; the bonus buy is so expensive and returns so poor, would regular players serious risk the gamble that far?

Playing it on BTG’s demo server, the feature buy would genuinely just about break even on average. Usually the win would be less than the buy-in though, which is logical; a big win from a 20p spin natural feature is one thing, but once you’ve paid 100x that about for the same feature, the win isn’t so good.

 

[colinsunderland]

But in regards to the decision - the UKGC are showing once again that they are a regulator focused on protecting players. Bravo!

I am personally a fan of bonus buys and big bets but understand they have the potential to cause responsible gambling issues, therefore, I support this decision for the greater good.

Thats pretty much my view too, I am in control and aren't going to (I hope) go mental on buying bonuses, however, I can see how easy someone could. When XC came out I took a £20 deposit up to around a £4k withdrawal buy only doing bonus buys, starting at £10, until at the end I was doing £500 ones. I've rarely touched it since then, but on the times I have, have had 10+ losing gambles in a row on more than one occasion. I can see how easy it would be to start chasing losses. I've said since the day it was released that I thought it would get banned as I thought it was as far from responsible gambling as was possible.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Quite suprized they have the power to introduce this out the blue considering how long it took to reduce the fobt stakes.
Actually think its unfair on the developers, they produce a game that conforms to the existing regulations then have the rug
pulled out from under them with no warning.
Personally i will miss the bonus buys, never went silly enough with them to cause problems,but I realize some players may have
tilted big time with them.
It will kill off some of the games as the base play can be dire and removing a means of getting a feature without
going brain dead is going to put players off.I also think the streamers may have played a part in this decision as
anyone watching multiple buys at 1k a pop may well think there is a problem here
One game that will suffer is Chilli,it will be close to impossible to gamble up to 24 spins when it could take hundreds
of plays to achieve a feature it the first place.

TBH there is no real reason to lose Chilli, rabbit etc all they have to do is take away the ability to buy it early or at all, the coin meter could still stay.

 

[goatwack]

The feature buy ought to stay on the likes of White Rabbit for one, albeit perhaps just at minimum stake and to be 'used' a certain number of times, if the UKGC were in any way interested in minimising harmful tilt-ey gambling.

But being the experts they are they've decided to napalm the feature altogether

-because that'll solve Problem Gambling

All the likes of BTG & co will do is incorporate in-game gambles, i.e "Congratulations! You've won 50x stake! Wish to gamble for a bonus?"

 

[slot_zombie]

All the likes of BTG & co will do is incorporate in-game gambles, i.e "Congratulations! You've won 50x stake! Wish to gamble for a bonus?"

This is genius. BTG career offer incoming?

 

[colinsunderland]

All the likes of BTG & co will do is incorporate in-game gambles, i.e "Congratulations! You've won 50x stake! Wish to gamble for a bonus?"

So just removing the bonus buy then

 

[snorky510238]

I think providers already knew this was likely to come. Haven’t Btg already counteracted this effectively with Lil Devil. You can’t buy the feature outright admittedly but you are paying for the accumulation of hearts that trigger the bonus. It has to be factored into the rtp. It’s effectively the same as collecting coins in Chilli and commits you to the game once you have collected a few.

 

[Nate]

In the letter it stated: ....

Which offer the option of staking significant amounts of money to access a bonus feature without playing the initial stages of the game. These additional stakes can be many times the maximum ‘base’ stake of the game. It is this option of purchasing the bonus feature for significantly more times the base stake which causes concern.

I think this pretty much sums it up. BTG allow 20 to 40 Eur as a maximum bet in their base games.

On the other hand, they then allow you to purchase a feature for 2000 Eur.

Wheres the consistency in that?

Remember how committed they were to RG by limiting your spins to 100 @ a time ?

On the other hand when quizzed about the feature buys, the CEO always disappeared or avoided the subject altogether.

BTG are the biggest bullshitters you will ever come across. All their slots employ some cheap mechanic to entice their players to keep playing longer ...

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My early take on things.

 

[colinsunderland]

I think this pretty much sums it up. BTG allow 20 to 40 Eur as a maximum bet in their base games.

On the other hand, they then allow you to purchase a feature for 2000 Eur.

Wheres the consistency in that?

Remember how committed they were to RG by limiting your spins to 100 @ a time ?

On the other hand when quizzed about the feature buys, the CEO always disappeared or avoided the subject altogether.

BTG are the biggest bullshitters you will ever come across. All their slots employ some cheap mechanic to entice their players to keep playing longer ...

Nate

I remember Nick banging on in an interview, about how responsible they were by not allowing you to skip the pay count up screens in Bonanza or use quickspin, as he didn't think it would be very responsible to allow someone to spend their money any quicker.
They then brought in feature buys, allowing someone to spend 50x stake in one spin. Still waiting for him to answer how exactly that is responsible, taking into account his previous statements.


Also, love the way casinogrounds have pretty much used the first page in this thread as their story on this, can they not do their own research.

 

[jaywas]

Well this explains it....
I had an email midweek from Miduar with a 200% match bonus advertising BTG,Extra Chilli etc.
So tonight think why not, log in and no chilli to be found, strange thing is though they have removed DHV aswell.
Only BTG they have left is Bonanza and Millionaire .
Why would they remove DHV???

 

[Andy Walker]

Not ones to miss an opportunity, all this has done is motivate BTG to tout their next groundbreaking mechanic-

NoBonusBuyWays (™)

You heard it here first

and MegaNoWays

 

[Reelsoffun]

My early take on things.

I agree with most of what you say but I think people should have a choice to play the games like lil devil, you know what your getting into more at least with those as you can make that decision as soon as you start playing and TBH i play very few of them esp the yggdrasil ones, however bring back chilli with the buy removed but can still work towards a free one with coins i dont think is at all bad.

The reason why I dont believe all "chase mechanic" type games you say should be banned is where do you draw the line?.... as you would technically have to lose Immortal romance as well given that you have to work through loads of feature triggers to open all the free spin modes........ There is many more games that effectively would have to go if you had your way on banning all slots with any kind of progression just saying.....

 

[colinsunderland]

I agree with most of what you say but I think people should have a choice to play the games like lil devil, you know what your getting into more at least with those as you can make that decision as soon as you start playing and TBH i play very few of them esp the yggdrasil ones, however bring back chilli with the buy removed but can still work towards a free one with coins i dont think is at all bad.

The reason why I dont believe all "chase mechanic" type games you say should be banned is where do you draw the line?.... as you would technically have to lose Immortal romance as well given that you have to work through loads of feature triggers to open all the free spin modes........ There is many more games that effectively would have to go if you had your way on banning all slots with any kind of progression just saying.....

I mainly agree with that too (wtf is happening, I'm agreeing with people far too much )
The chase type ones I don't have a problem with and nor, I suspect, will the UKGC
The one like the new microgaming on where you have to pay ridiculous amounts (compared to stake) to respin 1 reel, good luck with that gaming providers

 

[deleted_user-20231116]

good i hate the feature buy, no need for it and should have never been allowed by the UKGC in the first place. even worse when BTG had a gamble with the buy feature.

and i will admit i did complain( by email) to the UKGC, my local mp and to gambling related harm appg ( the people behind the fobt's lower stake)

I had email from UKGC that said it was up to the casino to watch players dont spend to much on feature buys and to check if players are changing there patterns on spending and depositing due to the buy feature. i replied to them with proof off one casino accredited on here that allowed a player to spend over £1000 on feature buys in a day and who normally only spends £50 - £100 a month ( on just spins not buy features) and UKGC never got back to me.

so contacted gambling related harm appg and sent them a copy of the UKGC email.
gambling related harm appg did contact me back and i had nice conversation with a person associated with them. and they did say they would be contacting the UKGC. and will be looking in to the buy feature.

so i hope i had something to do with it.

So just because you don't like it, nobody else should either? There are plenty of responsible players buying bonuses, without spending their life savings. I don't even live in the UK, but what you said is the most selfish thing i have seen anyone write on this forum.

I don't see the problem with feature buys, and recently we have had some lower cost feature buys on games like Safari Gold Megaways for just 20x the stake, which i really like.

Buying a feature you can gamble is something i can understand people having issues with, but not the normal feature buys. Many of the current games can go 1000 spins without giving you a feature, and usually end up costing more than just buying it.

 

[goatwack]

Seems a lot of casinos want to save a few million in fines already, as games are being pulled left right and centre!

Gosh

 

[mack341]

Slightly unrelated, but Just opened mercy of the gods at unibet and was taken aback to see the opening spin value set to £10

Come on guys (netent) you're just attracting trouble for no good reason, there was another netent game I tried the other day, a new one, and where the max bet button normally is, instead were just 2 arrows pointing left, I didn't know what it was, quickspin or max stake. the autospin button option was separate so it wasn't that. The game I think was 'arcane'

 

[gtpaul]

Common sense look at the stake before you buy .