Time To Ban The Feature Buy!

sledge13

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Tracemonkey and other respected posters on here have made great points about the danger of these new "buy feature" slots.

Started by Btg and seem to be increasing, I have blocked my play due to the disgraceful Extra Chilli, made to just play on a slot players weakness and take money fast and actually rub it in to lose when buying a feature?!?!!? and most of the time! how is this even allowed?

Push Gaming are also guilty with Wild Swarm, to just keep pushing for that final level 5, which then just switches off and procedes to rip the player for an age.

Please fellow players time to boycott these people and their slots, they have zero respect for the players and deserve the same back.
 

goatwack

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For every seasoned slotter shunning these practices there'll be another 10 new ones to take their place.

It's going to take some governing body to put a halt to proceedings, and I won't be holding my breath for that one :cool:
 

nutnut

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how about banning slots that encourage you to gambling to get a better feature when it consistently pays worse than lower features.

TED im on about, the oone before BIG money ALWAYS pays worse than other 3 bonus rounds yet its hard to trigger. and always in that bonus round even with these mythical wilds added and mutliplier you NEVER hit any base game wins.
 

Nicola

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There is no doubt these buy features are causing RG issues for some, the number of threads I have seen on another forum like "Extra chilli ruined my life" etc.

I was watching Rocknrolla a few weeks ago buy and lose six gambles in a row on stream, he increased the bet by £50 each time. I felt the pain watching that! :oops:

L&LJan announced earlier a new game with a buy feature and I can see these becoming more frequent over time as slot developers run 2 years behind in development.

Just like smoking, one you start (buying a feature and gambling it) you won't be able to stop!
 

KasinoKing

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I agree - the Buy Feature is most appealing to the compulsive impatient gambler = the ones most likely to slip into dangerous addiction IMPO :mad:

I remember the earliest form of this I saw was Hot Ink by MG: this was one of their slots where you could buy a re-spin on just ONE reel, while the others were held.
The big temptation, which I succumbed to myself in 2013, was when you had wild on 4 reels, and so re-span the other reel at ENORMOUS cost.

Can't remember what I was betting in the base game - but definitely no more than £2/spin.
With wilds on 4 reels I was re-spinning at £76.22 a pop! :eek:
Maybe not quite as crazy as it sounds, as the minimum return was $48, but then the max was £167.40, and it wouldn't take too many poor spins chasing the big ones to knock a serious hole in your balance.

At least with Genie Jackpots, Extra Chilli and the like, you CAN win more than 2x your total buy stake... but you can also win 0.00 :(

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EkJR

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Agree. It's actually scandalous that it's allowed and at the levels it's allowed as well. SG had "big bet" games, a host of them. In the main you got ripped apart. Feature buys like Chilli take it to an extra level. Easy to lose thousands in minutes, they need to go once and for all.
 

EkJR

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There is no doubt these buy features are causing RG issues for some, the number of threads I have seen on another forum like "Extra chilli ruined my life" etc.

I was watching Rocknrolla a few weeks ago buy and lose six gambles in a row on stream, he increased the bet by £50 each time. I felt the pain watching that! :oops:

L&LJan announced earlier a new game with a buy feature and I can see these becoming more frequent over time as slot developers run 2 years behind in development.

Just like smoking, one you start (buying a feature and gambling it) you won't be able to stop!
Yep I have posted on that thread your on about. It actually drove me to Gamstop. Lost thousands on it.
 

snorky510238

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Can’t help thinking this whole industry is riddled with hypocrisy. I mean on one hand you have all the gambleaware paraphernalia and on the other hand you have feature buys at a £1,000 a pop being passed fit for purpose. It’s a bit confusing as to who’s winning the war here.
 

EkJR

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Can’t help thinking this whole industry is riddled with hypocrisy. I mean on one hand you have all the gambleaware paraphernalia and on the other hand you have feature buys at a £1,000 a pop being passed fit for purpose. It’s a bit confusing as to who’s winning the war here.
Which is why this was time for me to go away from it in terms of feeding into it in monetary terms. A total sham.
 

Nicola

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Yep I have posted on that thread your on about. It actually drove me to Gamstop. Lost thousands on it.

It's a shame if this slot actually drove you to quit. Were you managing fine before Extra Chilli came out?

Glad you went ahead and used Gamstop. Even if it's just a 6 or 12 month break, it will give you a chance to sort things out :)
 
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goatwack

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Ok so I partook of Genie Megaways with some VS winnings, £40 leftovers to see what the deal is. Proceeded to throw caution to the wind and rattled the £10 bonuses off.

Well blow me sideways, what an absolute disgrace. I've seen some things, but that....

Locked Reels is the only workable one, the 'Unlimited Multiplier' should be locked up by itself! The sticky wild bonus is passable, but the point remains that two, maybe three of the bonuses are ponzis. Really not a good implementation, for any number of reasons, but the speed of losing has to rank up there. Grim stuff :eek2:
 

nikantw

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Is it dangerous? Yes
Is it useful? Also yes!

The option to bet $10 to buy a feature instead of betting $10 on a spin on any other slot is a very very good thing.

I agree with you that the option to gamble the feature you bought (and lose it all) in Extra Chilly is too much. But the ban is wrong. The ban is a bad thing.
A forced max bet limit < 2% of the balance, combined with SOW and the option to buy features at a much smaller cost (normal min bet down to $0.01) is exactly what this needs.

Forced max bet limit < 2% of the balance and min bet 0.01 is what we should be asking IMHO.
 

colinsunderland

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I posted about this on one of the BTG threads a while back, specifically how the MD of BTG bangs on about RG then introduces shit like this. This is as far from responsible gaming as you can get in my view. Of course I was told how wrong I was on that thread by certain members, but hey ho :)
I wouldn't be too sure about the UKGC not doing anything at some point either, I think the fact Skybet remove feature buys from their slots speaks volumes. Skybet like money, they wouldn't remove features like this unless they had good reason to.
 

colinsunderland

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Is it dangerous? Yes
Is it useful? Also yes!

The option to bet $10 to buy a feature instead of betting $10 on a spin on any other slot is a very very good thing.

I agree with you that the option to gamble the feature you bought (and lose it all) in Extra Chilly is too much. But the ban is wrong. The ban is a bad thing.
A forced max bet limit < 2% of the balance, combined with SOW and the option to buy features at a much smaller cost (normal min bet down to $0.01) is exactly what this needs.

Forced max bet limit < 2% of the balance and min bet 0.01 is what we should be asking IMHO.

I'm all for RG, but am struggling to understand how that would work, so if I had £10 in my account, I could only bet in 20p's? Or do you just mean for feature buys? Which would mean a balance of £5k to buy a £100 feature?
 

Harry_BKK

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Simple solution, set your bet limits to something below $10 and you can't buy the feature. Raising it has a cool-off period, so you can't go on tilt whenever you feel.

Somebody not able to control him/herself from buying it all the time indicates they have in general a gambling problem already, which has been there before and for which they should seek help.

I see the "buy feature" as a natural development, people are getting increasingly impatient in our times. Everything has to be now and "pronto", and BTG has supplied the tool that accomplishes that on a slot.
 
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lockinlove

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I think they should be removed too. But unless people complain to the gaming commissions, we are all just posting on a forum that no one will read
 

Balthazar

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Maybe I'm not a real gambler or something but I don't understand why it's more dangerous than chasing losses on Roulette by playing Black/Red.

In my opinion if you don't even have enough self control to not buy features on slots you shouldn't be playing slots to begin with. Asking others to take down "tempting" features because you can't control yourself isn't a solution. That's like asking the bar down the street to stop selling hard liquor because you can't handle it.
 

me_and_ed

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I have said earlier in another post, 12 feature buys between $120 and $160, the largest return was $29, majority were $12 and under, fucking disgraceful.....I am off the BTG for good
 

lockinlove

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Maybe I'm not a real gambler or something but I don't understand why it's more dangerous than chasing losses on Roulette by playing Black/Red.

In my opinion if you don't even have enough self control to not buy features on slots you shouldn't be playing slots to begin with. Asking others to take down "tempting" features because you can't control yourself isn't a solution. That's like asking the bar down the street to stop selling hard liquor because you can't handle it.

Well bad example. Because on roulette you dont have the chance to hit 20,000x that everyone is dreaming of so its nowhere near as attractive.

But yeah have some self control. Still hate bonus buys.
 
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