Before I PAB - Club World

It's not OK for rogues, but it's OK for club world?

Just wanted to apologize to all the casinos that we have "called out" for misleading promos, misinformed cs reps, etc. Apparently, these kind of policies are now OK.

Would have been interesting to see how this thread turned out if it was a different casino. I was really hoping that "passes" weren't given out by the forum but apparently it is.... what a bummer. (have nothing against club world, i would be saying the same regardless of the casino.)

What are new players going to think when they see stuff like this and get a negative experience... then they go on a site and find out it's "accredited?" Uggghh.....
 
What are new players going to think when they see stuff like this and get a negative experience... then they go on a site and find out it's "accredited?" Uggghh.....

Can you be a little more specific? You're being awfully vague for what is apparently supposed to be a pot-shot at Casinomeister as a whole.

What "pass"? What is "stuff like this"?

Being vague and highly critical is basically troll behaviour. Check the Forum Rules for what happens to trolls.
 
Actually - just my 2 cents...

I know how CWC promos work - and I also realize that they rotate their bonuses continuously - so some are good some days - and others are good other days...

Unfortunately this does not appear to be COMPLETELY outlined on the site - but if you've been a member of CWC - it is KNOWN... Or you've figured it out.

I wouldn't call it false advertising - I would say - however - that as you are PART of something - it might be hard to see how someone NEW might see it...

In other words - you look at it - but because you know it/live there/work there/etc. It makes perfect sense to you - but someone NEW coming in might not understand it. ---- that syndrome.... Familiarity.

Anyhow - I'd also like to say - KAROLINA - is among the tops as a Casino Rep.

I hate to see that you told her that she was spamming you when she was OUTLINING the casino PROMO information...

To her - she was telling you time an time again that the promos were only available at different times - and that particular promo was NOT currently available. - Yet you kinda yelled at her...

She is - without a doubt one of the top 10 best CSRs in this industry.

Anyhow - that's just my take on it.

Could CWC fix their page so that ANYONE looking at it would understand?

Certainly.

COULD EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD BE IMPROVED?

Yes - certainly.

Is this fair to call Clubworld horrible?

No - not really...

Maybe have a discussion about making the promo dates more transparent would have been appropriate...

At least I think it would have been.
 
Can you be a little more specific? You're being awfully vague for what is apparently supposed to be a pot-shot at Casinomeister as a whole.

What "pass"? What is "stuff like this"?

Being vague and highly critical is basically troll behaviour. Check the Forum Rules for what happens to trolls.

Interesting.

Can you be a little more specific? You're being awfully vague for what is apparently supposed to be a pot-shot at a long time, loyal casinomeister member and it's membership as a whole.

What do you mean "vague"? What was "highly critical"?

Being accusatory and highly antagonistic is basically signaling non-objective behaviour. You can imagine what happens if people start getting the impression that standards here are based on favoritism.




Excuse my play on words, not meant to be insulting. just showing the effect of twisting things with words and trying to implant an impression by twisting things around. Obviously, nothing in your statement is very accurate, but it doesn't need to be since the goal is make it seem that there is an issue of "vagueness', of being "highly critical," or of course, me being a troll.

The truth is, false advertising is either right or wrong for an accredited casino. Trying to convince people that i am some "troll" who is being "vague" and "highly crtitical" will not change that fact.... false advertising by an accredited casino will either be tolerated or not tolerated.

And though you have tried to deflect the issue by diverting the attention to me (instead of the 3 pages of posts in this thread,) what you have really done is to start undermining the trust in this forum by going after a loyal member instead of the casino.

How can you possiblly expect people to feel comfortable and appreciated in this forum if you make people weary of saying negative things about an accredited casino.

Maybe you can clarify for me....

how many reputation points, how many years, posts, etc would i have needed to get a response like the following:

"well, hippo, we certainly don't give any passes to anyone and hold all our accredited casinos to the highest standards. I understand the issues in this thread so let me confer with the casino to address the topic of false or misleading advertising and how club world can avoid these issues in the future. "

No wonder people are so apathetic....
 
What do you mean "vague"? What was "highly critical"?

I was very specific about what I thought was vague. I would have thought the highly critical part was obvious, but for the sake of discussion let's start with the sarcastic "apology" to casinos, the implication that deceit is "all Ok now" here at CM, etc. Yes come to think of it the "highly critical" part was obvious. And it continues in your recent post:

Obviously, nothing in your statement is very accurate ....
... just showing the effect of twisting things with words ....
... the goal is make it seem that there is an issue of ... me being a troll ....
you have tried to deflect the issue by diverting the attention to me ....
how many reputation points, how many years, posts, etc would i have needed to get a response like the following ....

And so on and so forth. My point it this: your post was basically saying "CM sucks" because of a (presumed) double-standard regarding CW without saying what the specific problem was.

Specific criticism can be discussed and (possibly) addressed.

Vague innuendo and off-hand references to corruption, double-standards, attempts to avoid the issues raised, etc are exactly that: vague and off-hand. The purpose of such posts is to damage the site's reputation without actually presenting a specific complaint. It's vandalism, and I make no apology for asking that you present your case -- the specifics -- instead of throwing tomatoes from a safely vague and anonymous distance.

You asked "how many reputation points ... would i have needed to get a response" that was respectful, understanding and possibly sympathetic to your point. That question says a lot about how you think things here, or at least things with me, work. Somehow rep and post count is supposed to make me embrace your attempt to piss on the site? Not likely.

If I was convinced that you were intentionally being a troll I would have banned you just like the Forum Rules says I should.

Instead I pointed out what I saw as the problems with your post and asked that you be specific. And that prompted you to post more of the same innuendo and suchlike.

Shrug, what can I say? Either answer the questions asked of you or don't but spare us the "CM sucks" posturing.

In case that is insufficiently pointed for you I suggest that if you want attention to your claim that CW is being given a "pass" that you point out where, specifically, that is being done. If you think CW is guilty of false advertising and we are condoning it I say be specific, point to the evidence, make your case based on that, not vague references to "stuff like that".

Frankly I don't give a damn how senior a member you are here if you take it upon yourself to slag the site, willfully attempt to ridicule and belittle what it is we do and how we do it, and present nothing as evidence or supporting material.

Criticism based on facts can and will be addressed. Attempts to smear the site without actual evidence or specific supporting references -- yes, that's how it looks like from where I'm sitting -- will be decidedly less respectfully received, regardless of your rep points or whatever.
 
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The special promotions page provides information on the special offers that we run from time to time in the casino. They are not invitation only, although you will receive a notification by email when they are scheduled in.

The first line on the page is: You wont want to miss our special events, so keep your eyes peeled for details of when they are running! As such the 'more information link' takes you to the promotions calendar where you can see which events are coming up in the next few days.

I see that the promo is still running on the page:
Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

Viewable to the general public.
After gambling online since 97 I've seen some really daft promos but this $500 bonus takes the cake!

This verges on a bait a switch tactic. :eek:
Something I feel that a casino such as club world should not be doing.

Anyway I'm glad I swung past here today.

Over the last week I've added club world to 20 of my sites - wanted to spread the luv and diversify away from MGS for a while.

But after reading this thread and your (the club world rep) post, I'm leaving here to remove all these links and go with iNetBet.

Thanks everyone for the heads up :thumbsup:


Cheers

Dave
 
It is indeed, but it is dated now.

Friday, September 25, 2009 to Sunday, September 27, 2009

High Rolling Weekend

You save and save for a few days at your local casino. Heres a sweet weekend deal just for you. No need to make reservations, no packing, no driving! Log into the casino, deposit $150 and play with a WHOPPING $500!!

Deposit $150 and get $500 slots bonus

coupon code: 150CWC500

In the terms, I have found something of a contradiction.

* This promotion will begin at 00:01 EST Friday on 25th Sep 2009 and ends at 23:59 EST Sunday on 27th Sep 2009
* This offer is made subject to status, please check the promotions button in the casino lobby for information on the coupons available to you
Coupon: 150CWC500
* The deposit and the bonus must be wagered forty-five (45) times before a cashout is permitted
* Only wagers on Slots are permitted before you have met this requirement.

Well, NOT "open to every player" is it?

I checked even deeper to see what might be meant by "subject to status".

There is this snippet in the general terms:-

12. CWC reserves the right to refuse or rescind bonus(es) or bonus offerings for any reason including, but not restricted to, player abuse. In case of abuse, CWC reserves the right to discontinue player's membership and to prevent the player from accessing CWC in the future.

This is the "bonus ban" term that players like myself are subject to. Since I was VIP, "status" does NOT carry the usual implied meaning, where VIP players are regarded as having higher "status" than non-VIP players.

term 12 uses the old "for any reason including, but not restricted to...". The ONLY reason LISTED as an example is "player abuse". THIS is what makes the Club World "bonus ban" so offensive, it is accusatory in that term 12 implies the "bonus ban" is for a reason SIMILAR to "player abuse". Term 12 has nothing POSITIVE to say about players who's "status" is one of "bonus banned".

It CANNOT even be about players ALWAYS depositing ONLY when they can grab a bonus, since this kind of behaviour is OK with CWC, as indicated here:-

These fantastic promotions run continually in Club World Casinos!

Club World Casinos Continual Bonuses

At ClubWorldCasino you need never play without a bonus! We have got great coupons available every day for every game!

Slots, Keno, Blackjack, Video Poker and more! Just log into your casino account and press the promotions button for your coupon codes!

Well, if this is so, WHY are some of us being "bonus banned" - I simply CANNOT find ANYTHING that shows the status of "bonus banned" as being POSITIVE, but what I have illustrated implies that a player's status is moved to that of "bonus banned" for NEGATIVE reasons.

This is what is creating this growing negative feeling towards Club World.

I would like the rep to explain to these players, or at least reassure them, that there is something POSITIVE about being "bonus banned" in a casino which headlines "you need never play without a bonus" on it's main promotion page, and what it takes to either reach, or preserve, the status that "most players" enjoy.

This is something that has ALSO been discussed regarding iNetBet, with a number of players here complaining they are "bonus banned", but again done in such a way as to imply some kind of wrong doing on the part of the player is what has lead to this.

In the end, it is about LOYALTY, and where it gets you. These are LOYAL players getting the "bonus ban", which is the OPPOSITE of what we would expect to be the rewards of loyalty. I would expect after playing for 2 or 3 years at a particular casino to be at one of the VIP levels, and I certainly do NOT expect to see my loyalty "rewarded" by being dropped to a status BELOW that of a player who has just joined and made a couple of deposits.

When casinos treat loyal players this way, WE as players begin to learn that loyalty does NOT pay, and that what DOES pay is to repeatedly switch to a new supplier for our casino fix just as we might constantly swich banks, energy, or telephone providers - other businesses who have spent the last 20 years teaching the consumer that loyalty is seen as a WEAKNESS to be exploited, rather than a virtue to be rewarded.

The result is the constant need to use "loss leaders" to keep the "churn" rate going, and this ONLY works in the utility sector because of the older generation who do not like switching from "the gas board", and thus are exploited in order to subsidise the "loss leader" offers.

Casinos are following this model, and it is recently that the exploitation of those who remain loyal has begun to show. CWC has to lure in new players to the 2 new casinos, as well as the original Club World. It seems the "subsidy" for this is coming from what is offered to long standing players, perhaps on the basis that such players have already remained loyal for longer than the industry average, and are surely bound to bail to a competitor soon - so why not drop their status now and accept the inevitable bail to a competitor. When they look back at their figures, they will see they were right, but they will have got "cause and effect" backwards. It is the drop in status that has CAUSED the bail to a competitor, NOT the lure of first time offers. In effect CWC think their loyal players eventually get "pulled", but the truth is, they are often getting "pushed" into the arms of a competitor, where they can perhaps expect a year or two of being rewarded for their loyalty, before this competitor too gets bored with them, and "pushes" them on again to someone else.

Almost EVERY time I have stopped playing at a casino where I have been a "regular depositing player", it has been because I was PUSHED away by a sudden drop to "zero" status, rather than me dropping the casino in order to transfer play to another.
 
Looks like another issue getting all blown out of proportion. Bonuses are not obligatory, but some members feel that it's a God given right - which is utterly ridiculous.

If you don't like an offer, go find an offer you like. Don't slag off on a casino just because you don't like their promotions. If you'd like to see a casino make changes in their promotion program, then give them some constructive suggestions. Who knows? They may listen to you.

As for this situation, I can understand the snafu and the player's frustration - they list their promotions on a page that may or may not be offered at the moment. That seems to me a screw up in their website design/ad copy - but nothing to be crucified over. You need to put this into a better perspective.

Nicole: If I can not claim this coupon I will take screenshots and report this to casinomeister

Nicole: I will be submitting this to casinomeister and you will likely lose your accredited status

Nicole: not buying it sorry, I am busy right now posting on casinomeister, thanks though

Totally uncool. It appears that this was a premeditated hit; you were trying to blackmail them with threats. This diminishes the power of a good message board. DO NOT THREATEN CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS WITH POSTING ON CASINOMEISTER. That's about as annoying as gas-powered leaf blowers, and you know how much I hate those. :rolleyes:

Perhaps if you had used a bit more tact and understanding, you may have gotten what you wanted. But that chat session was a bit over the top.

...Someone posted about their observations that there seems to be so much more negative posting even about accredited and well known casinos.... obviously, it seems to be true as demonstrated by Clubworld.

I get clubworld emails and promos all the time and though i haven't played at their casinos recently, this will certainly cause all of "Lauren's" emails to go directly to the junk mail folder...

Negative postings are just that - negative postings. Sometimes they are derived from "sour grapes" sometimes they are legit. This one seems to be a combination of both. But human nature dictates that complaining is an easier task to accomplish, especially if a casino might give you a bonus to appease you, right? :p

If you don't want offers from "Lauren", don't bitch about it here. Simply let them know you don't want to be contacted anymore.

If you close your eyes you can hear a faint flushing sound and you can see CW twirling - twirling -twirling. Its a slow flush but eventually it will go down.
This commentary is flaming. Don't forget that ClubWorld is a member of the forum - don't flame your fellow members.

I come here to check casino accreditation/rogue status, and if it's not accredited (even just not recommended), I won't play there. Even though Club World hasn't been rogued, in light of this story (until it is satisfactorily resolved), I won't be depositing there, period.
In light of what story? That they listed their promos on two different pages? Which they have fixed by the way. It's a shame that a stupid oversight convinces you to pass up one of the best casinos out there.

...Would have been interesting to see how this thread turned out if it was a different casino. I was really hoping that "passes" weren't given out by the forum but apparently it is.... what a bummer. (have nothing against club world, i would be saying the same regardless of the casino.)

What are new players going to think when they see stuff like this and get a negative experience... then they go on a site and find out it's "accredited?" Uggghh.....
I really don't appreciate this post that - like Max stated - implies that I am a deceitful and corrupt individual.

Excuse my play on words, not meant to be insulting.
Well apparently you hit the "reply" button before you re-read what you had written. Yep, it was a below the belt hit that I consider insulting.

And i strongly agree. :thumbsup:
You agree to be insulting? Whatever....:rolleyes:

The bottom line is that many of you have a knee-jerk reaction when it comes to not getting what you want. The casino screwed up the promo page - and suddenly it's getting hammered up on a cross. You need to put things more into perspective before getting so damn aggressive and insulting.

As I stated before, try to use a little bit of tact and you might get what you ask for. And if you don't get a bonus, then try to view this as a casino doing you a favor.
 
Look at the more general idea of this.

I go into my supermarket, and they have an offer on, buy 2 packets of choco crunch, and get the third free.

I go to the till with my three packets, but am told, "sorry, this offer is not available to YOU because of your status". I say "status, what do you mean?". The checkout person replies "This has been decided by the store management, they don't have to explain".

I would be livid, and I doubt this would be an acceptable way for a supermarket to behave. I am certainly NOT going to feel "positive" about them when I leave the store.

When it comes to casinos (any, not just those mentioned here), it's somehow different. Why is this? Perhaps THIS is the problem. If something is ADVERTISED, then ANYONE seeing the advert has an expectation that they will be treated as a "normal customer", and THIS is what is so very galling when it comes to this BS about "your status...etc..." It is like being accused of something without knowing what, and being unable to say "hey I am just a normal customer, nobody special, so why am I being being discriminated against.

The rep has only poured fuel on this smoldering debate (for CWC, it has arisen in many threads) by posting

....They are not invitation only, although you will receive a notification by email when they are scheduled in......

This is completely WRONG!

They ARE "invitation only", and the email is not merely a courtesy reminder for what is easily available on the webpage, it is your INVITATION. No email, no coupon - it may be entered as displayed, and used on the correct date, but it won't work.

I have not played at Club World since the beginning of the year, but as far as I am concerned I am "suspected of something" because my earlier VIP status was yanked overnight, and replaced with a status lower than that of a new player. The secretive way all this "status allocation" is done only strengthens my view that I have come to the attention of their "risk department" for something negative enough to prompt me to be dropped like the proverbial "hot potato" when it comes to my continuing to be VIP, although not anything so serious to cause my account to be audited 9with consequential delay in payment). Now if I had breached the terms, or make them think I was a fraud in some way, I would have expected delays in payment, so it cannot be that, but I nevertheless STILL feel slighted, and this has make me feel negatively about them.

I suspect that other players have suffered this "status downgrade", which seems entirely unwarranted, and makes them feel negatively towards the group too. It is no wonder then, that they are coming in for more negative press than recently.

Players may move on; as in my supermarket example, I would look for another supermarket, BUT I would continue to be resentful of my treatment, and would hold a negative impression, and let it be known if said supermarket was discussed.

The biggest problem about casinos online is that they have NOTHING ELSE other than the promotions, so if they pull promotions from a group of players, how do they replace them so that the player still feels valued, rather than unwanted. They can hardly email free drinks, or a nights free accommodation.

If casinos are going to start negatively discriminating against groups of players, they are going to get negative views expressed from these players, no matter how good an operation they are. These views will be in a minority, and will be in stark contrast to the views of the majority who get to use all those coupons on the websites, and/or who have experienced nothing but good service.

The art of discriminating against groups of players is to do it in a way that those negatively discriminated against have no idea they ARE being discriminated against. There are quite a few casinos that manage this simply by emailing the offers, and ensuring that EVERYBODY at least gets an email. The offers might be double comps for those players the casino wants rid of, and 100% bonus for those the casino wants to keep, but those offered the double comps do not know what others have been offered, so will feel just as valued in THAT casino as any other player, even though they might go elsewhere because double comps wasn't as good as what was on offer elsewhere.

Once casinos start indroducing other ways of rewarding loyalty, the problems caused by players feeling they are being treated as "second class" will not go away. The industry has created the situation where the player EXPECTS something on top of their deposit, and so the industry has to find a way to satisfy that expectation when they decide they need to get rid of the bonus model.
 
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I go into my supermarket, and they have an offer on, buy 2 packets of choco crunch, and get the third free.

I go to the till with my three packets, but am told, "sorry, this offer is not available to YOU because of your status". I say "status, what do you mean?". The checkout person replies "This has been decided by the store management, they don't have to explain".

I would be livid, and I doubt this would be an acceptable way for a supermarket to behave. I am certainly NOT going to feel "positive" about them when I leave the store...
But I don't think this is analogous to this situation. This is more like you become a member of a land based casino - they say, play x amount and we'll comp you rooms. You play, and they comp you. Then one day you go back and you say, "If I play x amount of times, will you comp my rooms?" And they say no - "we don't want to."

What's the big deal? Why not play without the promise of a comp? The odds are the same ... and there is relatively no play through requirement. I don't see the issue in not being given a bonus.

Obviously, the promotions section was goofed up (as I mentioned earlier), but it's nothing to bust a vein over :D
 
oh no

Obv,this thread is not about taking a bonus or not. Not at all.

Frequent play almost always means frequent bonuses,points,cashback etc.and you don't have to ask anything.I often ask to REMOVE bonus.

Imagine player who has $150 left on his Moneybookers till next week.

He wants to play some games for weekend,goes to CM,accredited section and clicks casino's links.Very soon he's on ClubWorld site and 2nd click leads him to "special promos"

Wow,great! He redeems 500 coupon ,MAKES A DEPOSIT and TA-DAAA!!!!

SORRY,U SUCK MAN (HAHA)

Now it takes him at least 24 hours to get his deposit back,not to mention wasted time,long chat conversation and pleasant feeling that HE'S SCREWED

And no gambling today of cource.

Someone takes him for a f#$%kin MORON. May I ask why?

And he also must be very polite ,patient and so on.

I'm afraid he won't last long if he'll be very polite to each scumbag he'll encounter.

We all have TONS of SPECIAL OFFERS from casinos,some of them are very good,but you'll never find them on a home page,right? Because they're SPECIAL,SUBJECT TO STATUS:D, VIP ,ECONOMY:lolup: and so on.


I'm in a doubt that casinos could do anything unintentionally.


And once again,this is not about taking bonuses or not.
 
But in this situation, the coupon was never redeemed because the casino "believed" it was not making the offer.
:oops:

I maybe added something from my experience there when I redeemed a coupon,deposited but haven't found a bonus issued. After several attempts to get it I gave up and withdrew back

But I swear I was VERY polite:lolup:

And I never use an abusive language. F@#$%k!!!!!S#$%!!!!

Who forced me to post here????

Maybe it's time to add a LOCK sign to the thread title?
 
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Wow,great! He redeems 500 coupon ,MAKES A DEPOSIT and TA-DAAA!!!!

SORRY,U SUCK MAN (HAHA)


Maybe I'm missing something - but don't you get a screen AFTER you put in a bonus code - that tells you whether the code works or not? BEFORE you deposit?

At least this is how my coupon redemption works.

I've never cashed out at CWC - LOL - so I don't have any issues yet...
 
Frankly I don't give a damn how senior a member you are here if you take it upon yourself to slag the site, willfully attempt to ridicule and belittle what it is we do and how we do it, and present nothing as evidence or supporting material.

Criticism based on facts can and will be addressed. Attempts to smear the site without actual evidence or specific supporting references -- yes, that's how it looks like from where I'm sitting -- will be decidedly less respectfully received, regardless of your rep points or whatever.

I respect your opinion on the membership here. I don't agree with it, but it is certainly your perogative as to how you view us. Over time, many members will disagree with you and even other members, but rest assured, it will usually be because a topic is important or interesting and there is a sincere intention to create dialogue or improve something that can be improved.

I have been a big and loyal supporter of this site for a while, and that doesn't change just because you say so, with all due respect. You can TRY to make it look otherwise..... that is your perogative.

Again, i don't play at clubword, i don't care about their bonuses, have nothing against clubworld, etc....

But the issue remains:

Clubworld used advertisements on their site to entice players to sign-up / play. A player saw this advertisement, and reasonably so, assumed they would receive the advertised bonus. They were of course, denied since the particular advertisement was not running at that moment. The rep clearly states that you must continue to another link to find the "current" promotions. Multiple statements regarding the availability of promotions to players have been shown to be inaccurate and false since not all players are eligible for the same promos even though the rep stated otherwise. There is no clarity on why certain players don't get promotions (yes, it is the casino's right to refuse promotions), but doing this contradicts the casinos position that all players receive promotions and that they are not restricted or by invitation only, as stated by the rep.

In other words, for example.... can a casino put up a banner that says "free coffemaker if you sign up!!!" but it is only available on the 3rd day of every other month and you have to go to another link to learn that?

Or can a casino say things like "you never need to make a deposit without a bonus" but then not make bonuses available?

Even more drastic, can a casino advertise a great bonus with a link "click for availability!" .... the link goes to another bonus and the advertised one is never available... is that honest and acceptable?

Where is the line between acceptable and not acceptable, especially for an accredited casino.

I was under the impression that because club world was accredited, this would be a simple issue to resolve. I honestly had no idea that it would get this blown out of proportion. All I see is one statement by the rep not even truly addresing the issue and then the moderators jumping all over the membership in defense of club world, again, without really addressing the issue.
 
Hi All,

OK, this thread has raised a few issues I hope I can address them all:

Special Promotions Page

We have a range of special promotions and events that we run from time to time in the casino. We provide details of these events on the special promotions page of our website so that our players know what they can expect and what they should be looking out for in their emails and on the promotions schedule.

I realise that although the wording that explains this was at the top of the page it was quite small and not terribly clear so I have updated the special promotions page to improve this.

These events are open to everyone except the very small minority of players who have been restricted from claiming any of the promotions in our casinos, which leads me onto...

Bonus Statuses

We do restrict the bonuses available to certain players to the Continual Bonuses only. The algorithm we use to identify accounts that may require restricting looks at a wide range of factors and only a tiny proportion of our players are affected.

As you will have guessed VWM has had his account restricted in this way and is not terribly happy about it. While I cannot post details from his account in a public forum I can let you know that this is not the result of a single big win.

I have noticed that a lot of the more vigorous posts in this thread are coming from players who have been restricted from claiming promotions. I realise that this has cut off a source of income and therefore there will be some bitterness involved, but we play this as fairly as we can paying the balance in full before restricting access to further promotions.

If any of you feel that you have been restricted from claiming bonuses in error just PM me your username and I will review the situation.

Feedback

I do welcome feedback from the player community, especially the CasinoMeister regulars. This does need to be constructive however. Just calling me a liar and pointing out how rubbish you think we are does not help anyone.

You guys have been around this industry for a long time and I value your opinions so it is a shame when the opportunity to make improvements is lost amongst fruitless arguing.

Regards
Tom
 
thank you club world thanks for the info-
i play lots on your casino and i like it but promos should be a little better understanding in my opinion ty
 
I respect your opinion on the membership here. I don't agree with it, but it is certainly your perogative as to how you view us. Over time, many members will disagree with you ....

Again, disagree with what, exactly? You think the membership wants to see other members "given a pass'' (to use your terms) simply because they are senior? That's like saying "I have seniority here so I get to do what I like". Not a good way to run things IMHO and certainly not the way I see things being run here.

Seniority is a tricky thing. In some cases senior members are folks who've contributed copiously to the site, have been around through thick and thin, and have comported themselves in such a manner as to have earned wide-spread and well-founded respect. In other cases a senior member may simply be someone with a lot of posts. Seniority is something but it certainly isn't everything. Like most other things it's gotta be taken with a pinch of salt.

All I see is one statement by the rep not even truly addresing the issue and then the moderators jumping all over the membership in defense of club world, again, without really addressing the issue.

And therein lies our problem. What "jumping all over the membership"? I see exactly three posts from a moderator (me) and three posts from site owner (CM).

My posts are: one to help out at the beginning of the thread and two addressed specifically to you for the reasons clearly spelled out above. That constitutes "jumping all over the membership"? I think not. Not unless you are calling yourself "the membership".

Furthermore nowhere in those posts was anything said "in defense" of CW. In fact I was the first one in this thread to say that it looked like a screw-up and furthermore I posted the (possibly) offending page section so everyone could see what was at issue. The OP even thanked me for doing so.

Were my posts, in general, directed at the CW issue? No because, for the nth time, they were specifically directed at you and your attempts, as I saw it, to slag and discredit the site. I see that as an issue well worth addressing and did so believing the CW issue would get sorted in due course.

So, again, your claims and insinuations seem to me to be quite unfounded: there has been no "jumping all over the membership" nor any "defense of CW". This is the third or fourth time we've been through this so at this point I believe it's safe to say that the person doing the distortion of truths and invention of scandal here is you, repeatedly, which seems rather at odds with your self-proclaimed loyalty to and admiration of the site.

For the last time: if you've got a problem, spell it out and back it up with specific, relevant references to material that supports your position. So far you've done none of that. Instead you've made one vague, hyperbolic, destructive and insulting post after another. Sounds pretty trollish to me.

CM's posts here pretty much came after the events you're presumably referring to so I'm assuming their not part of your criticism. If they are say so and I'm sure Bryan will speak for himself.
 
So, again, your claims and insinuations seem to me to be quite unfounded: there has been no "jumping all over the membership" nor any "defense of CW". This is the third or fourth time we've been through this so at this point I believe it's safe to say that the person doing the distortion of truths and invention of scandal here is you, repeatedly, which seems rather at odds with your self-proclaimed loyalty to and admiration of the site.

For the last time: if you've got a problem, spell it out and back it up with specific, relevant references to material that supports your position. So far you've done none of that. Instead you've made one vague, hyperbolic, destructive and insulting post after another. Sounds pretty trollish to me.

Again, like i said.... if it is your perogative to try to paint a certain image of me, by all means...it is your choice. I'm not sure if you expect me to be baited into some irrational barrage, but i am confident that members of this forum will concentrate on the issues raised in this thread and will have a hard time swallowing what you are trying to do. I can also use a play on words to "create" an image of you.... for example (just an example, i actually don't believe this)... as an arrogant, biased, rude, forum moderator too self-absorbed with his own perceived power that he can't objectively see any side of an argument besides his own.... OF COURSE, i wouldn't say it directly like that. i would use a play of words that don't actually mean or say anything... much like what you have written above. But of course, that would not be a nice thing to do.... to ANYBODY.

To completely ignore all the posts in this thread by so many different people, and then make it seem like there is nothing going on and that i am just being "vague," is really disrespectful to everyone who participated in the thread. I am not the only one in this thread.

Certainly, Tom, from clubworld, has addressed some of the issues and has stated that he has taken steps to avoid future problems by changing / clarifying the promotional banners. I'm sure other members will be able to attest to that shortly. I don't know if the issue of promotional restrictions will be made clearer on the website. i'm sure, that too, will be addressed by someone who plays there. As an accredited casino, i would expect clubworld to do their best to be clear and to avoid misleading / confusing promotions and/or statements.

I don't know what the underlying issues are that caused this thread to become so strange. What i do know is that more and more, there is less reason to post, especially if it's something that may be controversial or involves an accredited casino.

The number of regulars posting in this thread now is non-existent.....not a suprise, but what does that say? Free and open discussion? Uggggh...
 
Hi All,

OK, this thread has raised a few issues I hope I can address them all:

Special Promotions Page

We have a range of special promotions and events that we run from time to time in the casino. We provide details of these events on the special promotions page of our website so that our players know what they can expect and what they should be looking out for in their emails and on the promotions schedule.

I realise that although the wording that explains this was at the top of the page it was quite small and not terribly clear so I have updated the special promotions page to improve this.

These events are open to everyone except the very small minority of players who have been restricted from claiming any of the promotions in our casinos, which leads me onto...

Bonus Statuses

We do restrict the bonuses available to certain players to the Continual Bonuses only. The algorithm we use to identify accounts that may require restricting looks at a wide range of factors and only a tiny proportion of our players are affected.

As you will have guessed VWM has had his account restricted in this way and is not terribly happy about it. While I cannot post details from his account in a public forum I can let you know that this is not the result of a single big win.

I have noticed that a lot of the more vigorous posts in this thread are coming from players who have been restricted from claiming promotions. I realise that this has cut off a source of income and therefore there will be some bitterness involved, but we play this as fairly as we can paying the balance in full before restricting access to further promotions.

If any of you feel that you have been restricted from claiming bonuses in error just PM me your username and I will review the situation.

Feedback

I do welcome feedback from the player community, especially the CasinoMeister regulars. This does need to be constructive however. Just calling me a liar and pointing out how rubbish you think we are does not help anyone.

You guys have been around this industry for a long time and I value your opinions so it is a shame when the opportunity to make improvements is lost amongst fruitless arguing.

Regards
Tom

Tom,

I am sure you like to listen to constructive criticisms but I really do not understand why you singling out a player (VWM) to prove your case. I was impressed by the service of CWC when I first played there but wasnt really that happy when I visited the site , liked a promo only to learn that it wasnt available to me. No problem but several weeks later I received an offer in an email from Lauren with no code mentioned. Went to live chat and asked for it. They had no clue which is still understandable but after not receiving any sort of reply when support promised to check into it I was quite pissed off.

I am concerned about the apparent hostility among members and mods. From what I read, both sides have sound arguments. However, when they boil down to personal attacks about membership seniority and the like it is not going to do a great service to the forum which has built up a great reputation over the years thanks to the concerted efforts of the many participants here including the i-gaming forum reps. If I were a lurker I would be very annoyed and ask myself 'What kind of forum is this. A slang fest or what?'. Maybe it's high time to let this thread die down though CWC should really take note of what many players have said.
 
Tom,

I am sure you like to listen to constructive criticisms but I really do not understand why you singling out a player (VWM) to prove your case. I was impressed by the service of CWC when I first played there but wasnt really that happy when I visited the site , liked a promo only to learn that it wasnt available to me. No problem but several weeks later I received an offer in an email from Lauren with no code mentioned. Went to live chat and asked for it. They had no clue which is still understandable but after not receiving any sort of reply when support promised to check into it I was quite pissed off.

I am concerned about the apparent hostility among members and mods. From what I read, both sides have sound arguments. However, when they boil down to personal attacks about membership seniority and the like it is not going to do a great service to the forum which has built up a great reputation over the years thanks to the concerted efforts of the many participants here including the i-gaming forum reps. If I were a lurker I would be very annoyed and ask myself 'What kind of forum is this. A slang fest or what?'. Maybe it's high time to let this thread die down though CWC should really take note of what many players have said.

Agree wholeheartedly!

And apparently i did a poor job of expressing my point when i brought up the issue of what kind of seniority one needs to get a respectful response. I was trying to express that everyone should get the same respect regardless of posts, rep points, etc.... Apparently i wasn't very clear and max thought that i was saying i should have more respect or something. In fact, i was trying to say the opposite by asking a rhetorical question.

I especially agree with your last sentence. That should have been the whole point to this thread....
 
Free and open discussion? Uggggh...

Not when it comes to letting you slag off the site with gross over-generalizations and sniping innuendo, no. You're not talking about "free and open discussion", you're calling for "free and open season" on what CM does and how it's done. Not welcome and it won't be tolerated.

FWIW I had considered peeling the "tussle" posts off into a separate thread so regular readers wouldn't have to wade through the muck but it turns out the divergent stuff is too intertwined with the main subject for it to make any sense on it's own. If my posts with Hippo have degraded the value of the main discussion I do apologize. But, as I've said, I do not make apologies for the intent or purpose of those posts. Just a bad place at a bad time I guess. :rolleyes:
 

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