Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

Thanks for posting that, bb28, although there are some errors. The buy-in was $1000, I think? And that KK v AA thing is wrong, as far as I know. In places it reads a bit like somebody more from the sportsbook side trying to cover poker as well. But the more exposure the story is getting the better, as far as I can see.
 
Think about this, whoever did this, had to have access to the gaming
servers
, in order to read the hole cards of the other players.

Who in a company would have such access?
 
Scott Tom may also go by the name of Scott Beckley as he was primarily raised by his mother from ages 2-15 in Montana while his father lived in Washington. He lived breifly with his father for one year where his father allegedly failed to pay for a medical expense, at which point he returned to live with his mother in Montana.

Cause No. 79964, Fourth Judicial District Court of Montana, Missoula County 1996.

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As I said, they are 'stepbrothers' (rumored......of course)
 
HOW LONG HAS THE ABSOLUTE POKER SCAM BEEN OPERATING?

Sources claim cheating has been happening for 3 years, earning the culprits millions

The gambling information portal Point-Spread.com made further serious revelations in the Absolute Poker scandal Monday, claiming that unidentified sources have revealed a greater web of deceit than just one tournament.

Webmaster Tommy Jensen quotes sources in Costa Rica who say that the cheating scam has been ongoing for the past three years and the actual amount that was skimmed from online poker players could be as much as $7 million. The actual amount is still unknown as an internal audit is underway, and high-limit players on other portals have contested this claim.

Jensen says a former employee of Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com that the security department at AP suspected something years ago but were told it was just the owners testing out the system and to forget about it. AJ Green (see previous InfoPowa reports) is alleged to have been involved in the scam and employees of Absolute Poker are prepared to implicate him.

Meanwhile, the 911 portal continued to publish what appear to be damage control reports from its sources, who claim that Absolute Poker takes in between $1.5 million and $2 million a day in gross revenues. "Absolute Poker will survive this (scandal)," the unnamed source predicted. "There are about a hundred investors in the company to ensure this happens."

911 reports that, contrary to reports that a band of college fraternity brothers started Absolute Poker in 2003, it was in fact founded by a Las Vegas-resident college grad named Scott Tom with financing from his father. Tom subsequently brought other college friends into the business. Tom, who has since dropped out of sight, is believed to have resided in Panama City and Costa Rica.

"They (AJ Green and Scott Tom) are not talking to investors," the source told 911. "But Absolute Poker does not need Scott Tom. There is a strong management team in place with hundreds of employees." Other investors in the poker site include former employees of the Nine.com operation which now belongs to VIP.com.
 
Rogue listing upgraded

HOW LONG HAS THE ABSOLUTE POKER SCAM BEEN OPERATING?
....
That was exactly my question after looking over the evidence and reading the Wizard's report. How long has this been going on?

Yeah sure it was a blatant in-your-face cheat as if the guy wanted to get caught. But adding fuel to the fire, this could have been going on for years by the same person(s) making more subtle plays.

Upgraded to full rogue status as of today.
https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/absolute-poker/

Still curious what Kahnawake has to say. Their license needs to be yanked and they should be allowed to slink back to Costa Rica where they can go back to "business as usual" :rolleyes:
 
Maybe Khanawake won't do anything? Not unless backed into a corner like AP
was, then they'll announce something in hopes it'll satify people.


The AP top guys put huge bridges between themselves and the
ownership/operation of AP, going so far as to use Khanawake to hide things
(Tokwiro enterprises) <---> Joe Tokwiro Norton

Of course, the above are just my thoughts.
 
What about Ultimate?

Don't Absolute own Ultimate Bet, or have I got that wrong? What implications would this have for Ultimate? I think I read that the software is different : big deal. They've been in charge there for long enough for Ultimate to need a full audit too, surely?
 
Questioning the future

Surely no matter what anyone says that this is going not only to bring down AP but the whole online poker industry or at the very least take it back a few years.I do not doubt for one second this is the tip of the iceberg and all you have to think is that smaller sites with fewer players could easily be up to this if it is so simple.This of course may not be the case but try selling that to the theorists.It has actually even today made the news in the UK which os not good news as far as i can see.Every time you go sit at a table and suffer a shocking beat by a guy who had no right playing crazy cards then you will auto think ahh this aint right.Sadly as i said online poker may never full yrecover form this which is a shame.
 
UK television news, or radio, or newspaper, please? And which channel or paper? I'd be interested to see what they are saying.
 
News

Mussy sorry it is nothing spectacular just there was a debate on my local radio station regarding the dangers of online gambling and the caller mentioned that online poker was rigged not an unusual statement but when the presenter asked for evidence he brought out the AP scandal which the presenter new nothing about but vowed to look into it....I of course should have written local news but lets hope this is brought out more fully in the national news.
 
What I love about this is AP still has nothing posted on their website. Nothing about how to contact for a refund, no statement, no apology, NOTHING! This just further shows how scumy this company is. They dont want to scare off a new unsuspecting customer who just happends to stumble onto their website.

And I love the unofficial statement about someone just trying to prove hacking their server could be done. Do they actually feel that people are gonna believe this garbage. I'm tired of the lies, I want the truth AP NOW!

It appears as though the owners or individuals close to them could be involved. This place was taking in 1-2 million a day! If the owners are involved these people are sick greedy individuals.

I dont care if this place gets audited by God, I will never play here again.
 
About the claim on 2+2 that AP was keeping all the change from peoples accounts. It happened to me too.

I remember when I withdrew all the money from my AP account last year, say $454.54 only $454.00 would reach my Neteller account while my AP account would sit at $0.00 after the withdrawal. I didn't really care about the cents at the time, I didn't feel it was worth the hassle to contact support over it. I guess these fuckers were skimming money there too. The change had to go somewhere and it wasn't in any of my accounts. Over thousands of transactions that change would add up.
 
The other bright spot relates to the island of Antigua. With all the licensed sportsbooks, casinos and poker rooms located in that country, there has not been one complaint of impropriety regarding the games. Antigua has been in operation offering online wagering far longer than Kahnawake and most of the sites are bigger. The country has assured authorities that its regulatory requirements are above reproach, which is one of the reasons so many companies are willing to pay hefty fees to operate there. In its fight with the United States over the U.S. withdrawal of gambling commitments, Antigua has pointed out over and over that their regulatory system is as effective as anything that can be found elsewhere, including Las Vegas. The fact that Antigua has offered online wagering for a full decade now with absolutely no complaints by the public seems to prove their point.

What utter crap.

Not one complaint?????

Joyland, Sunny Group, Golden Palace, English Harbour, Brandy Casino, no complaints?

Not to mention all the other Playtech casinos there.

And regulatory system effective?

Total bullshit. I attempted to contact Antigua Gaming, and they don't respond.

They and Kahnawake are two peas in a pod, both toothless licence farms.

Antigua is not exactly a jurisdiction known for its probity, with a history of gun running, money laundering, etc

The reputable online gaming jurisdictions are those linked to the UK: Malta, the Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Alderney.

Not Antigua.

I wonder if the guy who wrote this is just ignorant or else has undisclosed financial links to Antigua Gaming.
 
Don't Absolute own Ultimate Bet, or have I got that wrong? What implications would this have for Ultimate? I think I read that the software is different : big deal. They've been in charge there for long enough for Ultimate to need a full audit too, surely?

The same company that owns AP owns UB and was run by the same people involved in the AP scandal. Scott Tom and other AP insiders have been shown to play on UB as well. I agree UB needs more looking into as I have doubts. The difference would be that UB's software was not an in house development like AP's was. Soon after AP's launch they bought their software company but AFAIK they have not had access to UB's backend in the same capacity.
 
what i hate is

I damn well emailed AP asking for a super user account and the b*******s never replied...i even told them i was useless at poker and doubted wether seeing other players cards would make it any easier for me...cant believe they havent replied:(
 
Update

ABSOLUTE POKER PROGRESS REPORTED (Update)

Or is it just more developing damage control?

Absolute Poker and Kahnawake Gaming Commission investigations into the cheating scandal at the poker group appear to be proceeding apace, judging by the latest statement from AP - mere days after its initial announcements that it was taking action.

In the latest statement, the firm recaps events leading up to the investigation (see previous InfoPowa reports) and its assurances that it can be trusted. The statement continues to push its position on the debacle, claiming:

Upon learning of the incident, AP immediately contacted Gaming Associates, an independent worldwide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests and information security, to undertake an internal investigation. Immediately thereafter, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC), APs governing licensing authority, opened its own inquiry into the scheme. These investigations are active and on-going. AP is cooperating fully with the KGC investigation."

Absolute Poker goes on to reveal its "preliminary findings" as follows:

* The [unidentified] perpetrator of the scheme was immediately terminated upon discovery and the case was turned over to the KGC.

* AP has fully corrected the problem that allowed its system to be unfairly manipulated and is working to enhance its existing safeguards.

* Since the initiation of the internal investigation, the databases have been locked down to ensure the integrity of the auditors inquiry.

* The scope of the audit will not be limited to a certain time period.

* The suspected period of time of the security breach has been identified. This period is recent and confined to a relatively brief period. The actual dates will be publicly released upon confirmation by the third party auditor.

* A thorough review of the game play has begun to identify all of the adversely affected players.

* AP is committed to refunding 100% of the losses incurred by its affected customers. AP has begun the process of reimbursing its customers, and will continue to do so as quickly as possible until all customers are refunded in full.

* Even after completion of this audit, AP intends to continue working with third party auditors and security firms to ensure that the highest level of game integrity is upheld.

* AP is instituting strict guidelines to restrict its employees, consultants and contractors and members of their households from playing for money on its sites.

AP expects its internal inquiry to last for at least several weeks, and the company says it will continue to cooperate with the KGCs investigation and to work with Gaming Associates until outstanding investigations and inquiries are complete. The company also promised to continue to release interim statements related to its internal investigation as appropriate.
 
Upon learning of the incident, AP immediately contacted Gaming Associates, an independent worldwide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests and information security, to undertake an internal investigation...
Hmmm...don't know 'bout that. I thought when the players initially contacted AP, the poker room poohed poohed it as a lucky winner.

From AP on 19 September:

We have done an extensive research into the claims that have been brought to our attention. While we are continuing to do a thorough and exhaustive investigation, we have yet to find any evidence of wrong doing.

When you are logged in and playing your game client only receives data regarding your hole cards. As a result, it is impossible for a player to have information regarding any other player's hole cards. There are no "superuser" accounts that enable players to see other players' hole cards.

Despite our confidence in the security of our systems, we researched hands involving accounts that were mentioned in the online forum posts over the weekend and did not find any incidence of cheating by the accounts in question. Results mentioned in the forums were over a small sample of hands, and we have researched these hands as well as numerous other hands involving these players and have found that the pattern of play of the players did not lend credibility to the claim that the players knew the cards of other players at the table. Certainly there were hands that were played poorly, from a poker strategy perspective, and where these players received a fortunate result. However, a longer term review has shown that similar playing strategies have not resulted in the same results as these players achieved in the small sample of hands mentioned in the online discussion.

I'd like to know when they really contacted Gaming Associates. Was it in mid September when the findings were initially brought to their attention? Or was it when the shit hit the fan when Michael Shackelford published his results? Looks like damage control to me.

Bluffing should be confined to the poker table in this industry - because without player trust, you have nothing.
 
My thoughts exactly. These guys have been in damage control mode for the past week, feeding a stream of information bits designed to combat the continuing disclosures and opinions being expressed across the poker message boards.

And of course trying to reassure the players that they're really attacking this scam within their own ranks.

They continue to underestimate the intelligence of their audience and its grasp of events imo.
 
The coverups are almost as bad as the cheating itself. The industry would have been a lot better off had they said "An insider breached our system and they have been turned over to authorities" with a full explanation of what went down a month ago. The denying everything when they obviously knew everything and this bits and pieces crap along with the reports of AJ blackmailing them leads one to believe there must be so much dirt there well beyond what has been discovered. You know AP knows where to find these people that are in hiding and they most certainly need to go to jail so AP is involved in harboring these criminals.

I hope this goes as a lesson learned to the rest of the industry that if you have a huge scandal come clean. AP could have saved their reputation had they done so.
 
One more thing since I don't think this has been posted here yet. A couple of long term posters with AP connections have reported that AP did a couple of other sleazy things that could get them in trouble in the US outside of this.

1. AP took a collection for a charity at the WSOP. AP asked that you make a donation for popcorn. AP ran off with the money and never donated it.

2. AP had a raffle for a new car. An insider at AP "won" the car.

For those that feel that the corruption is only at the top reported thefts like this prove otherwise. AP has had plenty of time to produce proof of where the money and car went.
 
At the WSOP they gave away popcorn but asked for a donation to go to an unnamed charity. AP kept all of it according to one of the "detectives". This came a couple of weeks ago and AP has been asked to show what charity it went to over and over, something they have not done.
 
They are obviously still trying to cover this up, at this point I'd guess not so much to try to get in front of the bad publicity although for that reason too, but to simply limit the amount of money they are going to have to pay to cheated players. If it can be proven that this has been going on for years (as the net rumors have it) and need to pay back millions, that could get very expensive and be very messy. Also, how could something like that go on for years without some complicity at the top? Lots of questions.

It seems they first tried to deny anything was wrong and hope it would blow over (which in and of itself makes them deserving of a permant spot on the blacklist - just read their BS statements full of legal wiggle words) however when the statistics came to light that the outcomes were almost impossible to have occured naturally (I beleive the Wizard of Odds said that the statistical likelihood of an outcome like occured in the tournament was like someone hitting the lottery in six states at the same) they couldn't reasonably deny something had happened and went to Stroy 2.

Stroy 2, being floated now, is that a well intentioned developer wanted to point out holes in the system and did some cheating to bring these security flaws to the attention of management. If this were to be believed it would achieve the objective of limiting damanges, relieving management of any responsibility and tying the case neatly off.

It's not going to fly becuase it is just too insulting to one's intelligence. A good intentioned developer would have offered to give the money back, wouldn't have needed to cheat for months upon months, and really wouldn't have cheated players at all... a few hands played in a control group in front of anyone would have done the trick. Someone being able to see hole cards at an online poker room would spread to top management like wildfire - faster than news that asbestos was discovered in the Cornflakes would make it to the management at Kellogg. Gimme a break.

We can expect that Story 3 will be the classic few bad apples argument. I think the main objective now is for upper management to protect themselves and to limit the monetary damages (and limiting the damage to their reputation as a byproduct).

The main counter agrument is that this couldn't have been the management / ownership becuase they are making so much money they wouldn't risk cheating. I don't buy this arguement personally. Why do many wealthy people cheat on their taxes? Traders engage in insider trading? Some people are just plain greedy and unscrupulous on the one hand, and on the other so arrogant that they like to prove to themselves how much more clever they are than the rest of us but most of all becuase they think they can get away with it.

Good show to the net slueths for turning these guys out and the media for turning up the heat. I hope they keep up the pressure until the scope can be proven publically.
 

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