Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

One of the ways I see AP coming out of this is to include a well known player in the community to be involved in not only the audit process but allowed access in the future. This would include people that helped blow the whistle on this and did all the research that show they know what they are doing when it comes to investigating stuff like this. I don't know how they could pull it off without an "AP bought off x poster" but there must be some way to involve the community in this and allow a community rep or reps to ask questions directly to AP along side the auditor. Nat comes to mind since he seems to have really cracked this one and has earned tremendous respect but there are certainly several others. It might be the only way the community will ever rest from this disaster for online poker.
 
Regrettably, this is something that industry companies seem to shy away from every time it is suggested, despite the credibility it could bring to the player-industry relationship.
 
I don't know dick about algorithms, tricky software that somehow can get over at poker sites or anything else anyone would consider to be useful, actually, but I've played hours of BJ in fun mode while playing low stakes hold 'em at AP and if that isn't the crookedest BJ table online I'll eat a bug!
 
KAHNAWAKE ENTERS ABSOLUTE ONLINE POKER DEBACLE (Update)

Licensing jurisdiction pledges an independent audit

The allegations of impropriety during an online poker tournament at Absolute Poker.com gathered further momentum as the week progressed, with the issue reaching the pages of the New York Times, and a statement from the website's licensing jurisdiction pledging an independent investigation of the affair.

Kahnawake Gaming Commissioner David Montour announced that following the emergence of allegations concerning the propriety of Absolute Poker's operations, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) intends to investigate the privately-held licensee.

In a written statement Montour indicated that the KGC will employ an independent third party, UK-based Gaming Associates, to conduct the audit. It is understood that Gaming Associates is an exclusive testing agency used by the KGC.

"This week's allegations of impropriety have been brought to the attention of the [KGC]," said Montour. "We have appointed experts to conduct a thorough audit of all circumstances, provide findings and recommendations to the commission.

"The audit will not be restricted to examining theories circulating in Internet chat rooms and fora," Montour added.

Among other allegations, GA will undoubtedly have to verifiy documents, and possibly explain how a tournament winner known as Potripper apparently obtained such extraordinarily good results - up to an incredible 15 standard deviations - in the tournament.

Meanwhile, the New York Times has again reported on the incident, this time in a fashion that suggests there is sufficient controversy to warrant an audit.

Author Stephen D. Levitt headlined his op-ed piece "The Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal Blown Wide Open" and noted that a combination of some incredible detective work by online poker players and an accidental (?) data leak by Absolute Poker have blown the scandal wide open.

Levitt goes on to explain that some opponents became suspicious of how a certain player [Potripper] was playing in an Absolute Poker tourney, seemingly aware of what his opponent's hole cards were.

The suspicious players provided examples of these hands, which were so outrageous that virtually all serious poker players were convinced that cheating had occurred. One of the players whod been cheated requested that Absolute Poker provide hand histories from the tournament, and instead of the usual specific hand history received (perhaps in error) a file that contained comprehensive private information that the poker site would never normally release.

The file contained every players hole cards, observations of the tables, and even the IP addresses of every person playing. Levitt comments that such a complete disclosure seems like too great a coincidence, and suggests that there may have been a whistle-blowing element involved instead of a mistaken document being despatched.

Poker players went to work analysing the data in the surprisingly comprehensive file not only the hand histories themselves, but other, more subtle information contained in the file.

"What these players-turned-detectives noticed was that, starting with the third hand of the tournament, there was an observer who watched every subsequent hand played by the cheater," writes Levitt.

"Interestingly, the cheater folded the first two hands before this observer showed up, then did not fold a single hand before the flop for the next 20 minutes, and then folded his hand pre-flop when another player had a pair of kings as hole cards! This sort of cheating went on throughout the tournament."

So the poker detectives turned their attention to this observer, Levitt recounts. They tracked his or her IP address and account name to the same set of servers that host Absolute Poker, and also, apparently, to a particular individual named Scott Tom, who seems to be a part-owner of Absolute Poker!

Assuming that the file sent to the player is correct, Levitt opines ".....an insider at the Absolute website had real-time access to all of the hole cards (it is not hard to believe that this capability would exist) and was relaying this information to an outside accomplice."

Levitt assumes that such conduct could result in prison time for those involved, and predicts that there could be commercial consequences for Absolute if it continues to blow off the allegations (something now corrected with the announcement of an independent audit).

Levitt correctly asserts that online poker is a game of trust players send their money to a site believing that they will be playing a fair game, and trusting that the site will send them their winnings.

"If there is even a little bit of uncertainty about either one of those factors, there is no good reason for a player to choose that site over the many close substitutes that exist. If I ran Absolute Poker, I would take a lesson from past corporate attempts at cover ups, sacrifice the cheaters, and institute safeguards to prevent this ever happening again.

"The real lesson of this all, however, is probably the following: guys who arent that smart will figure out ways to cheat. And, with a little luck and the right data, folks who are a lot smarter will catch them doing it," Levitt concludes.
 
can someone please explain why in the hell their player trafic is about the same now as before this debacle, that is gonna truly be the answer why on line casinos and gambling sites will allways continue to feel like they can get away with anything cuz the public will still gamble on sites whether they are rouged or found to be srtaight up cheating...incredible
 
can someone please explain why in the hell their player trafic is about the same now as before this debacle, that is gonna truly be the answer why on line casinos and gambling sites will allways continue to feel like they can get away with anything cuz the public will still gamble on sites whether they are rouged or found to be srtaight up cheating...incredible


It's baffling isn't it? My guess is that most of the players have no idea and there are a few pros picking on the fish pond knowing what has happened. One of the players that got cheated has bragged at 2+2 about how the games have never been better.
 
Wizard of Odds has posted this on his site:

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The most eye opening...

Of these 93 hands, POTRIPPER won 56 times, in an average 8.13 players per hand. Assuming all players are equally skilled you would expect 11.49 wins. POTRIPPER was 14.03 standard deviations above expectations. The probability of luck this good or better is 1 in 1.88 1044. It would be easier to buy a 6/49 lottery ticket in six different states, and hit the jackpot all six times. Still, could it still just be chip dumping, or playing very bad players? The playback, in my opinion, shows otherwise.

Josem at 2+2 says this is 1 in 188,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
 
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To any of those that still had any doubts click the above link. AP has confessed. I guess I don't have to worry about getting sued now.

PocketFives just received a phone call from Absolute Poker confirming the suspicions of the online poker community over the past month. While we need to be vague in this post to respect their wishes, we can say that their systems were compromised, and that they are prepared to provide the details in a statement coming shortly.

Part of the statement will include a plan to refund players affected by this compromise.

We are extremely relieved to hear this outcome, as our most important goal in all this is to see justice given to those who were cheated in this process. Pocketfives is extremely proud to have played a part in the process of uncovering the impropriety that has occurred. We would of course like to thank all the other parties who played a key role in this processspecifically the folks that have been posting here and at twoplustwo.com.

This is great news for everyone. Keep your eyes out for the statement.

Extremely Relieved,

--Adam
 
Anyone speak Dutch here?

I'd like to get a basic translation on this story....

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I don't speak Dutch, and I don't know if this will help (probably not but I thought I'd try) - I pasted the text of it into a Dutch translator and if nothing else, it makes for some interesting reading due to the language barrier. Not all words were translated but you can mostly pick up the gist of things, even with the odd untranslated 15-letter word thrown in for flare. It's almost... poetic. :D

Poker holes false game in poker lucrative occupation
Old-senior official gotten after online poker fraud
Through: Marten Blankesteijn
Published: yesterday 00:03
Update: yesterday 00:10


Fraud in poker country: the former manager of one of the largest online poker game saw to for it that he the cards of its adversaries wanted to see.

Does Bluft my adversary, or he have really good cards? Its my cards better? Do moneys put in or not?

It being the hamvragen by poker that Scott Toms self needed never to put. The former manager of absolute poker. com – one of the largest pokeraanbieders on internet – programmed its software so that he inspection had in the cards of its adversaries. And that plays a to pieces easier.

The affair came rolling then CrazyMarco, an online poker player, in an Absolute Poker-tournament with thousand dollars price money were eliminated through a 'crazy call' of a player that itself Potripper named. The last one had miserable cards, and thus was there a very large chance that CrazyMarco a better hand had. When its adversary also yet once many money put not in could Potripper differently than its cards throw away, appeared it. But that did not he. He paid and saw that its most card (10) 'by chance' better was then that of Marco (9).

That woke suspicion. CrazyMarco early by the organization a print-out of the speelgedrag of Potripper on. With a club friendly poker players he analyzed IP-addresses, e-mailadressen and speelgewoontes. After single weeks, Potripper appeared nobody differently than Scott Tom, the former CEO of Absolute Poker. Through a simple trick, he wanted to see the cards of all players and join in at the same time self.

How vague Tom has taken advantage of its zelfbedachte method and how much he at that has earned is not yet clear. Someone else question is or contain the poker software of comparable websites the same possibilities. In a market in which annually at a rough estimate 1.5 billion dollar goes around will that particularly gainfully be. Yet a pluspunt: the chance that zoiets ever comes out is small. Restrain walked against the lamp through a decision to take that t clear ups and downs on foreknowledge. Who the bit more cleverly plays and loses so finished and closed also what pots, becomes realm. Quite rich.
 
Thanks - I guess that gives the sense of this.

Now - on to more developments in this Absolute Poker case.

It appears that the folks at Poker News at least feel there is a good chance that the xls file at the heart of the discoveries is genuine. In an excellent and detailed study of the entire affair at
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they make the following comment:

[Author's note: PokerNews has obtained a copy of the spreadsheet and has examined its contents, which appear on its surface to be genuine. To date, Absolute Poker has not commented on the accuracy or origination of the spreadsheet's contents, and because of the immense size of the file, over 65,000 lines, there has been no official determination as of yet as to whether every data cell in the file is genuine. It is not known if Absolute's upcoming statement will specifically address the spreadsheet or its contents.]

It sounds as if we can expect another statement from Absolute soon.
 
SW,

I know that this all is a very serious issue, but, I am sorry, I'm dying here :lolup: We can live in space and all that stuff and this is the best we can invent in tranlators? I gotta go get a beer :eek:

Thanks for brightening my night!!

jod
 
SW,

I know that this all is a very serious issue, but, I am sorry, I'm dying here :lolup: We can live in space and all that stuff and this is the best we can invent in tranlators? I gotta go get a beer :eek:

Thanks for brightening my night!!

jod

I'm right there with you - I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.

Anyway, I think the following sentence really sums up this entire AP situation perfectly:

Yet a pluspunt: the chance that zoiets ever comes out is small.
 
Thanks for drawing attention to that, PA - having two threads is proving confusing and counter-productive on this important issue.

AP finally (if belatedly) 'fessing up is a ringing endorsement for the power and skill of player communities when this sort of incident occurs and the initial response by the operator is to try and blow it off....perhaps it will serve as a lesson and a warning for the future.
 
Just a quick note to say that Pokeraddict and the rest of the players who kept ramming these posts to the top until Absolute, Kahnawake, and the online poker community as a whole took this seriously deserve a lot of credit for all of their effort. Pokeraddict in particular has been extremely prolific both here and on 2+2.

Thanks to everyone who got involved, and thank you to Bryan for following up with Kahnawake, Absolute, Michael Shackleford and Eliot Jacobson.
 
Just a quick note to say that Pokeraddict and the rest of the players who kept ramming these posts to the top until Absolute, Kahnawake, and the online poker community as a whole took this seriously deserve a lot of credit for all of their effort. Pokeraddict in particular has been extremely prolific both here and on 2+2.

Amen to that!
 
Just a quick note to mention that AP's page in the rogue section is being updated to reflect the recent happenings.

One thing - it ain't over yet. What needs to be determined at this stage is how long has this been going on? Obviously, there is a super-admin account, or whatever you want to call it, and my guess is that it has probably been used before this episode.

Perhaps the guy using it now was a cyber suicide bomber not caring if he was going to be caught or not; a disgruntled employee or ex-employee.

BLAM! There goes Absolute Poker. :rolleyes:
 
I think the initiating post by BBK Poker on this thread was an important contribution to overall understanding, because it so well summarised the somewhat complicated happenings up to that date.

So it's a good idea to keep this thread alive in the more visited general section of the forum.

However, there was a lot of really good deductive stuff and detail in the "complaints" thread as well, and although an unenviable task I think it might be worth yours/Simmo's time to trawl through it and extract the meatier bits for transfer here so we have a more complete record of what is sure to go down in the annals of the industry as a (bad) legendary issue.

I'm hoping that Absolute releases this forthcoming statement before the weekend, as the manner in which they handle this crisis from now on will finally make or break their reputation imo.
 
OMG... all the good stuff happens in the forum after I go to bed...

This is all so.... astounding.... the implications for online casinos/players are mind boggling...

Keep the news flowing... it ain't near over, yet.
 

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