32red - losing streak?

If it was directed at me,in fairness I didn't actually blame 32red,I did say "across a few casinos".

As for the bet size,I'm a low-roller (its a good job I don't bet £3 a spin!) but you would still expect some sort of 1 off day when a little luck kicks in.

And it isn't like I deposit once a fortnight either.

If I get to that £70 mark,and withdraw it,I sure as hell know I'm paying for it for the next 2-3 months.

It wasn't at you. I know you don't blame only them, but you maybe sometimes forget that you have won some too.
But your last sentence now do say that the casino are taking your money back as soon as you win a little and that was a thought I read earlier in this thread too. That the games are weighted in some way.

I don't believe it and my own play are proven to me at least that you are wrong.
 
Just stop playing there ... I have. Try another casino and if you get better results stick with them.
No point saying you are losing at 32red ... At least not in this forum.;)
 
Just stop playing there ... I have. Try another casino and if you get better results stick with them.
No point saying you are losing at 32red ... At least not in this forum.;)

TRTP is the same at all MGS casinos. Just saying.

Nobody gives anyone grief for saying they're losing. Its when their obvious lack of understanding of gambling causes them to blame individual casinos for it that they receive negative feedback.
 
TRTP is the same at all MGS casinos. Just saying.

Nobody gives anyone grief for saying they're losing. Its when their obvious lack of understanding of gambling causes them to blame individual casinos for it that they receive negative feedback.

Well Jufo has my stats and he is currently checking my T-RTP (enough spins for that), and im looking forward to see the numbers.

I talk about my own experience and my stats. so please stop with "lack of understanding"
With all due respect, i have a feeling that you get some kind of "kick" when you take yourself as a master of knowledge?
The only time i see you are "happy" is when VWM is winning and you want to know how he wins on AWPs..so... please be a positive once in a while, i promise it feels good sooner or later :)

Anyway as i wrote, there is no better place to play than 32Red, but my playtime has been devastating.
 
We are also curious, so maybe you could post the numbers here as well :D

Add another name to the list! I am very much looking forward to seeing Jufo's results :)
 
Well Jufo has my stats and he is currently checking my T-RTP (enough spins for that), and im looking forward to see the numbers.

I talk about my own experience and my stats. so please stop with "lack of understanding"
With all due respect, i have a feeling that you get some kind of "kick" when you take yourself as a master of knowledge?
The only time i see you are "happy" is when VWM is winning and you want to know how he wins on AWPs..so... please be a positive once in a while, i promise it feels good sooner or later :)

Anyway as i wrote, there is no better place to play than 32Red, but my playtime has been devastating.

Don't you love that an insult comes right after "with all due respect" :rolleyes: . If I cared what you thought of me, I would respond, but seeing as I don't....

On the actual topic, and since you say its "not about lack of understanding", I'll just point out that Jufo is not calculating your T-RTP.....he is calculating your individual RTP. The "T" in T-RTP means "theoretical" and refers to the expected RTP of the game concerned based on the reels/symbols/combinations.....but I'm sure you knew that already, as lack of knowledge is not your issue.

I learn something here every day, and I like to think someone learns something from me.....and I get a kick out of that. I share what knowledge I have, and if someone wants to ignore it and go on and end up looking foolish, then it ain't my problem.
 
Ive been gambling for years now and mostley i play at NET Ent Casinos. Ive won some healthy amounts on difrent NET ent Casinos, but i also lost some. My overall inpression is that its random with an house edge. Then i try my luck at a MG casino.....

Ive tried a couple and i must say the slots they have are extremley tight.. I lost about 1500€ on Immortal romance betting 1,5€ a spinn in one day, and i hardley ever got the bonus feauture. Honestley i think i got the free spinns feature about 3-4 times. I never in my life seen anything like it. Im not a sore looser, im aware its called gambling and you either win or loose. But when you feel like the odds are stacked against you in an unfair way its not cool.

Compared to NET ENT casinos im convinced MG is rigged in some way. For example i kept getting a combination of 5 9`s on Immortal romance, witch paid exactley 10x Bet. Then it sucked my bankroll and gave me the same combination again. 5 or 6 times i got this same combination for 10x bet. As i mentioned above it hardley ever gave me free spinns. I looked at the stats and in 800+ spinns i diddent get free spinns once! What are the odds of that happening? Also in this particular casino the time from when i pressed the button to the reels stopped spinning also seamed very long. Like it was waiting for an answer from the RNG, when it should be instant. Maybe its exchanging the outcomes in the casinos favour.

Needless to say im never playing MG again ever!! They robbed me out of several thousand euros.

The casino was; norskevinnere STAY AWAY! this is RIGGED!
 
You can't point the finger at any single MG casino, they're all basically just frontend skins for the same MG servers behind the scenes.

Over the years I played at MG I never noticed any difference from one casino to the next in the long term, they're all equally horrible because they're all effectively the same thing :D
 
The casino was; norskevinnere STAY AWAY! this is RIGGED!


What a terrible name for a casino ("norskevinnere" = "Norwegian Winners" in English)

What ChopleyIOM said. It does not matter where you are playing. Microgaming is Microgaming regardless of casino. But players should only play where they feel comfortable playing. Few people on this forum will probably agree with you that Microgaming or Microgaming casinos are "rigged". But if you personally think there is something fishy with them, then yeah...move on and find something else.

By the way. Welcome to the forum. I see it is your first post.
 
ok...
first, you're right that the odds of anyone going 800 spins on one single slot, without a bonus feature is slim to none....mostly because not many people would keep going for 800 spins, let alone put 1500 euros into it, if the slot doesn't show ANY sign of being alive.

second, if if you feel like "the odds are stacked against you", wouldn't it make sense to stop playing, and try something else, or maybe wait, and try another day, instead of feeding it ?

To be honest, I think (from some of the comments) some of you have a very unhealthy and unrealistic view on gambling, and that's the main reason you keep losing, some of you a lot, whether it's on MG, NetEnt or any other software.

Noone (eventhough some would like to give the impression) know if ANY of the softwares are giving us a fair game (and I too have very strong doubts about a few, so I don't use them), but I do know that no software give me even close to the playtime or occasional good wins as MG does.
It all really comes down to playing where you feel the best, and if all of them make you feel like shit, then find something else to do with your time, and money.

Just my 4 cents due to inflation.

Ive been gambling for years now and mostley i play at NET Ent Casinos. Ive won some healthy amounts on difrent NET ent Casinos, but i also lost some. My overall inpression is that its random with an house edge. Then i try my luck at a MG casino.....

Ive tried a couple and i must say the slots they have are extremley tight.. I lost about 1500€ on Immortal romance betting 1,5€ a spinn in one day, and i hardley ever got the bonus feauture. Honestley i think i got the free spinns feature about 3-4 times. I never in my life seen anything like it. Im not a sore looser, im aware its called gambling and you either win or loose. But when you feel like the odds are stacked against you in an unfair way its not cool.

Compared to NET ENT casinos im convinced MG is rigged in some way. For example i kept getting a combination of 5 9`s on Immortal romance, witch paid exactley 10x Bet. Then it sucked my bankroll and gave me the same combination again. 5 or 6 times i got this same combination for 10x bet. As i mentioned above it hardley ever gave me free spinns. I looked at the stats and in 800+ spinns i diddent get free spinns once! What are the odds of that happening? Also in this particular casino the time from when i pressed the button to the reels stopped spinning also seamed very long. Like it was waiting for an answer from the RNG, when it should be instant. Maybe its exchanging the outcomes in the casinos favour.

Needless to say im never playing MG again ever!! They robbed me out of several thousand euros.

The casino was; norskevinnere STAY AWAY! this is RIGGED!
 
ok...
first, you're right that the odds of anyone going 800 spins on one single slot, without a bonus feature is slim to none....mostly because not many people would keep going for 800 spins, let alone put 1500 euros into it, if the slot doesn't show ANY sign of being alive.

But there should be absolutely no such concept with a random slot, and yet I see it referred to time and time again when it comes to MG slots, even from the folks who are big fans.

It's this 'streaky' behaviour that simply shouldn't exist in a random game, yes random numbers do weird things sometimes and yes they can appear to make patterns where they don't exist, but over the fullness of time, in a truly random game, that randomness will win out.

This is where I've never been fully at ease with MG slots, and it's why I took the decision to stop playing at MG casinos once and for all a few weeks ago - there's something going on there that isn't dishing out a truly random game.

I think the MG AWPs tell us something about the rest of their slots.
 
But there should be absolutely no such concept with a random slot, and yet I see it referred to time and time again when it comes to MG slots, even from the folks who are big fans.

It's this 'streaky' behaviour that simply shouldn't exist in a random game, yes random numbers do weird things sometimes and yes they can appear to make patterns where they don't exist, but over the fullness of time, in a truly random game, that randomness will win out.

This is where I've never been fully at ease with MG slots, and it's why I took the decision to stop playing at MG casinos once and for all a few weeks ago - there's something going on there that isn't dishing out a truly random game.

I think the MG AWPs tell us something about the rest of their slots.

I have heard them referred to that kind not only on MG but also on RTG and NetEnt slots so that's nothing specifically for MG. I have no idea just like LaHutti says how anyone can continue to play so long. I can do that if I get some Big winnings, and then it's not always I get free spins.
Other times I get no Big winnings but free spins every other spin.
Shouldn't that be possible either?

We don't know that he really played 800 spins in a row either, and I have stopped taking peoples word as the truth without any kind of evidence.
Too many stories...
 
Chopley...I'm sure you know IR, and what HUGE part of the RTP goes towards the Wild desire feature.
You might see the wild desire feature as a "hidden progressive jackpot", in my opinion, so yes, you can go hundreds of spins without a freespin feature, because 5 wilds on that sucker will make your eyes pop out of your face, and it has to "be paid for". That's the long dry spells you'll see, I'm sure.
Even the 4 wild wins on that thing can be pretty darn good.

But there should be absolutely no such concept with a random slot, and yet I see it referred to time and time again when it comes to MG slots, even from the folks who are big fans.

It's this 'streaky' behaviour that simply shouldn't exist in a random game, yes random numbers do weird things sometimes and yes they can appear to make patterns where they don't exist, but over the fullness of time, in a truly random game, that randomness will win out.

This is where I've never been fully at ease with MG slots, and it's why I took the decision to stop playing at MG casinos once and for all a few weeks ago - there's something going on there that isn't dishing out a truly random game.

I think the MG AWPs tell us something about the rest of their slots.
 
Chopley...I'm sure you know IR, and what HUGE part of the RTP goes towards the Wild desire feature.
You might see the wild desire feature as a "hidden progressive jackpot", in my opinion, so yes, you can go hundreds of spins without a freespin feature, because 5 wilds on that sucker will make your eyes pop out of your face, and it has to "be paid for". That's the long dry spells you'll see, I'm sure.
Even the 4 wild wins on that thing can be pretty darn good.

I understand variance Hutti ;)

As I said in my post back on the first page of this thread, the MASSIVE pays (i.e. high variance) that MG are building into most of their slots these days certainly explains some of the behaviour - (top pay on IR in Wild Desire is 12150x stake, which is off the scale stupidly big, and as you say almost into the realms of a 'hidden progressive') - but for my money it doesn't explain all of it.

Especially not since we know for a fact that MG have gone back and messed around with some old slots on their books on more than one occasion, changes which have been flagged up here at CM over the last four or five years.

There was one poster who flagged up changes to Franken Cash and Boogie Monsters, which I found particularly interesting as these were slots I liked back when I first started playing online, and then in my recent sessions I was like, 'What the hell, these slots just don't roll like they used to.'
 
hi i think a fair few people in here have kind of seeing mg casinos just go down hill to be honest , ive had my fair share of ups & downs over the years but the one thing which s stands out over the course of this year mainly, is the sheer ammount of monies & spins played to even trigger a feature coupled with average payout of 10 times means very very heavy losses its becoming worst than rtg & that is saying something

i dont moan that often realy but i have been giving 32red a hard time over frankly just crap results for months , just today a little test ( i mean a little test ) 32red customer & casino is no doubt the best along with 3 dice but again it proves to beyond me what there doing to there machines , i think ive stayed clear of avalon after spinning 1200 spins & did get the feature didnt pay alot not played it since untill today 243 spins today no feature again & i think this is the crux of the problem im sat here thinking thats kind of unlucky then im thinking this is just pure crap i must be one of the most unluckist people going if thats the stats from just one machine , i play sometimes 2-5 days everyweek without fail at 32red & still getting poor results

so i some what agree with whats being said here , i shall point this out as a fact to anyone who plays both mg & playtech roulette , theres nothing random of either of them these are purely slot machines just a different format & 100% do not trust the results )
 
I understand variance Hutti ;)

As I said in my post back on the first page of this thread, the MASSIVE pays (i.e. high variance) that MG are building into most of their slots these days certainly explains some of the behaviour - (top pay on IR in Wild Desire is 12150x stake, which is off the scale stupidly big, and as you say almost into the realms of a 'hidden progressive') - but for my money it doesn't explain all of it.

Especially not since we know for a fact that MG have gone back and messed around with some old slots on their books on more than one occasion, changes which have been flagged up here at CM over the last four or five years.

There was one poster who flagged up changes to Franken Cash and Boogie Monsters, which I found particularly interesting as these were slots I liked back when I first started playing online, and then in my recent sessions I was like, 'What the hell, these slots just don't roll like they used to.'


Ummm.....I don't remember any facts about mgs game changes.

Links please?
 
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/thinking-somethings-changed-at-microgaming.26802/

There are others if you want to go digging around but I didn't bookmark them.

Just read it all.

ONE player stated that the paytable had changed on frankencash and boogeymonsters. No screenies, no evidence at all.....not even which combinations had been reduced.....which is extremely odd. I mean, if I stated that the paytable had changed on xyz slot, but couldn't/wouldn't say what, how seriously would you take me?

You neef to look at that thread in the context of who was posting.....many are avid conspiracy theorists who find conspiracies in their weetabix, some are just sore losers who just say "yeah yeah" to anything suggesting casinos are rigged, and the rest are those who think they DO have solid proof only to be proven wrong (like where kimss IIRC tells VWM the "suspicious updates" he found in the game files were actually just graphics and sounds files).

Sorry, but its your bog standard "It's rigged I tells ya!!" thread of the common-or-garden variety. You will find them all over CM since year dot, and the common denominator amongst all is that NO proof whatsoever apart from "it FEELS like its paying less than it used to" complaints, and a generous helping of adding 2 and 2 and getting 268.

If MGS had actually reduced their RTPs every time some sore loser bellyaches about not winning, nobody, including me, would be playing at MGS as the T-RTP would be somewhere in the vicinity of 25%.

I'm surprised you would buy into this stuff ChopChop. I really am. I thought you were intellectually above it TBH. I would advise you as a friend to read these kinds of threads with an open mind, and see how many times any of the posters have hit a really HOT winning streak (which we all have) and started a thread about how it must be rigged....I guarantee if it was a cold streak they would be there in a flash. Seriously, how many "its rigged .....I've won on my last 4 deposits and every game is hitting...it can't be random" posts have you seen?

It's really about psychology a lot of the time. When we lose, we look to blame rigged siftware etc, and when we win its yippee this casino is awesome I love these games. See wjat I'm driving at? If it IS rigged and non-random, it runs both ways. Players are happy to accept "odd/unusual" runs of good luck without question, but the moment they lose in the same fashion, there must be something wrong.

I certainly don't know everything, but the advantage of being here so long is that the bigger picture gets bigger, and it is easier to see changes over time. Personally, I don't win more or less than I did 5 years ago, save for the pendulum swinging wider, due to my choice to play high variance games. My bankroll control and playing methods continue to refine over time, and this has probably contributed to me being further ahead at times then I otherwise would.

Bottom line.....IMO the games are not rigged, and I haven't seen any changes in any games over the years, and for someone playing constantly over a long time like myself, it should be even more apparent if payouts were reduced to me than to many others....and i just don't see it. Mind you, I don't base my opinions on a months gambling or even a few months.....some who consistently complain do so based on a few deposits or even over a week, and these are the sore losers who don't understand what they're doing, and I pretty much ignore them, as any realistic sensible person should.
 
But there should be absolutely no such concept with a random slot, and yet I see it referred to time and time again when it comes to MG slots, even from the folks who are big fans.

It's this 'streaky' behaviour that simply shouldn't exist in a random game, yes random numbers do weird things sometimes and yes they can appear to make patterns where they don't exist, but over the fullness of time, in a truly random game, that randomness will win out.

This is where I've never been fully at ease with MG slots, and it's why I took the decision to stop playing at MG casinos once and for all a few weeks ago - there's something going on there that isn't dishing out a truly random game.

I think the MG AWPs tell us something about the rest of their slots.
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Nifty on this one - MG software is as fair as any other.

The argument "a slot which goes 800 spins without giving the feature is not random" is simple poppycock. And streakiness SHOULD appear in a random game - if it was never streaky then it would NOT be random!

I used to record all my sessions on all MG casinos (I have many dozens of logs - maybe even over 100) and I am happy that the software is random. Yes I've had appalling runs of diabolical luck which got me shouting abuse at the screen, but I've also had lots of amazingly good luck too. Swings & roundabouts.

I've played slots, like Spring Break for example, when I've hit the free-spins 4 or 5 times in 100 pulls, though the odds are once in 143 spins. So if the randomness must even itself out, that would mean I would be "due" to go 600 spins without getting them. Over the long term it will, but in the short term I could get another 5 features in the next 100 spins, or I could go 1,000 spins without hitting it.


You simply can not bring AWPs into the conversation about video slots - they are completely different animals. You might as well try to enter your budgie into the Cruft's Dog Show!


One other comment I'd like to make about most (not all) of the complaints I've read about MG, is the slots people are playing. The majority seem to mention Immortal Romance, Lord of the Rings (Now Batman), Thunderstruck II, BDBA, Isis and other games like that. These are all high-variance games in that the top prize is very high - but 99.9% of players will never hit anything like the top prize and for most of them, those slots will just slowly but surely suck your account dry.
Even I keep going back to have a little session on them to see if I could get lucky for a change, but 99 times out of a 100 I just end up cursing myself for wasting yet more money on these crappy games. :(

KK
 
Allow me to summarise.

Some slots are high variance, some slots are low variance.

32Red (Along with most of the other MG outfits) publish audited returns figures every month - sometimes 91.6% - sometimes 103.1% etc etc - or anywhere inbetween.

All software providers chop and change and mess about with slots; they do it in the real world with slots as well.

They are made to take your money. More often that not, they will do exactly that.

Sometimes you will win.

I totally get the 'losing streak' feeling at certain outfits. I can't win for love nor money (mainly money) at Wagerworks at the minute; couldn't stop cashing out last week.

I just got a free birthday chip from Intercasino, second pull hit a £400 return on a £1 spin. They have been sucking me dry all last week.

Feelings, superstitions and hunches; swings and roundabouts.

When you do inevitably hit something nice - something that absolutely is not up for debate or subject to opinion and superstition, is that you will get paid at 32Red - quickly and safely.

Gamblers are a funny lot :D
 
A few weeks ago I received a £10 NDB from All Jackpots, my balance a few spins before I cashed out............


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Not the 1st time i`ve accumulated a huge balance from a meagre starting kitty at MGS, the only other software i`ve managed this at is Playtech, all I can say to those who question MGS`s integrity etc is, you`re doing it wrong, plain and simple.
 

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