32red - losing streak?

[ChopleyIOM]

For me they're definitely type 4.
I can't prove that of course, but that's what I believe.

KK

So you think that the reels on something like IR roll 'naturally'?

Either they're perniciously designed or they're dreadfully weighted, the scatters near misses, the wild symbol near misses, all occur with tedious regularity.

I'm not even sure IR uses reel strips in the traditional sense? When you've got two scatters and get the long spins for the third scatter, the strip that you see has a sort of repeating pattern on it not consistent with a 'true' reel.

It's hard to explain and I ain't got any MG casinos installed, but that's how I remember it anyway. Like a scatter could roll past and you'd think 'Oh I've missed it' and then another one drops in to make the three scatters, despite it not being in that position on the reel, if you get my drift.

 

[De Beuker]

So you think that the reels on something like IR roll 'naturally'?

Either they're perniciously designed or they're dreadfully weighted, the scatters near misses, the wild symbol near misses, all occur with tedious regularity.

I'm not even sure IR uses reel strips in the traditional sense? When you've got two scatters and get the long spins for the third scatter, the strip that you see has a sort of repeating pattern on it not consistent with a 'true' reel.

It's hard to explain and I ain't got any MG casinos installed, but that's how I remember it anyway. Like a scatter could roll past and you'd think 'Oh I've missed it' and then another one drops in to make the three scatters, despite it not being in that position on the reel, if you get my drift.

That you see a scatter pass, then hit is because of the 'snap in' that MG uses.
The reels 'snap' to the desired position at the end of each spin.

I still agree with you on those new games though, I think they are not 100% random anymore.
Free spins in IR for example, the way the Wild Vine always puts the wilds on the centre and/or last reel, exept when its time to pay, then you see it can also put them on the other 3 reels.

And.. a few months ago I had something weird happening on IR.
Got a Wild Desire, and the sound of the coins dropping from the win just went on.
A few spins after I got free spins, and the game took me to the Great Hall of Spins before the first reel had even landed.
I heard the scatters hit in the background.
Took the Amber FS, and started the free spins with 960 (or so) coins in my winbox?!
As I could not see what had hit beside the 3 scatters I thought I must have hit something along with the scatters.
But free spin number 9 paid exactly the amount already showing in my winbox, minus the 0.60 for the 3 scatters.
All other FS paid zero.

So, the game somehow already knew what I was going to win in my 10 free spins before they even started.

And nope Nifty, I dont have any screenshots to prove that what I'm saying is true, you'll have to take my word for it, if not, I couldn't care less to be honest.
I just know for sure now that results from free spins, at least on this game, are predeterment, not random.
Makes me wonder what more is maybe not so random as we think?

In the end we'll never know how those games work exactly.
I do know I love them as they are, Truly Random or not.
And it doesn't hurt to discuss thoughts about it, right?

 

[Nifty29]

For me they're definitely type 4.
I can't prove that of course, but that's what I believe.

KK

CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!



@DeBeuker

I agree that features/bonus games are different on some slots, and may well just be "eye candy" and pre-determined. I think most people agree on that part.

However, the standard game is a different kettle of fish.

Nice to know that you care too

 

[Balthazar]

Yes, that's true... for all softwares except Cryptologic.
With Crypto you can play offline (for fun, obviously!) and the software uses an RNG on your own PC.
All other softwares use an RNG on their own server - both for fun and real money play.

KK

So we agree that:
1- it's server side
2- it's RNG's

Then why are you thinking that the symbols on the reels matter?

-Software sends request to server
-Server stops RNG and obtains number
-Server sends number to software
-Software shows the screen associated with that number

In fact, the slot could be text-only and it would work exactly the same. The reels are only a skin to express a result.

Imagine that, a text-only "slot" with the same system...

Spin...
You win $3.00
Spin...
You win the 10 free spins bonus and the result of these spins is $14.75
Spin...
You lose

etc

 

[binary128]

Yes, that's true... for all softwares except Cryptologic.
With Crypto you can play offline (for fun, obviously!) and the software uses an RNG on your own PC.
All other softwares use an RNG on their own server - both for fun and real money play.

KK

KK,

I don't mean to imply that you are "winging it" when I ask how confident you are with the part of your statement "All other softwares use an RNG on their own server - both for fun and real money play."

The part of that statement in which I am most interested is that all other softwares use a server RNG for fun play.

I have this nagging memory of at least one, and perhaps more, Flash Casinos that use the client's machine for random numbers when playing for fun.

(I also have a vague memory of some Flash software supplier, ultimately labeled "Rogue" in the WizardOfVegas forum, who was quite up front in saying that their play-for-fun Casino was programmed to return more wins. Their logic was that play-for-fun should be "more fun".)

Chris

 

[skyhy]

Randomness

I once got the feature on Moonshine with 3 consecutive spins...if that helps...not that any of the 3 gave me anything worthwhile!

 

[me_and_ed]

MG is killing me, made my last deposits this week at 32Red, closed the rest of my MG accounts, have lost in excess of 5k/mth (deposits) for the last 5 mths, no cashout, very bad streak, nobody can be this unlucky, cannot even get playthrough, seriously pathetic. I dont play all tht much at 32RED because they do not support my preferred deposit method, I will leave the account open incase I get the urge and know I can flush and get paid promptly though, my last MG casino.

 

[KasinoKing]

So you think that the reels on something like IR roll 'naturally'?

Either they're perniciously designed or they're dreadfully weighted, the scatters near misses, the wild symbol near misses, all occur with tedious regularity.

Yes, I do.

I don't quite understand what you mean by "near misses" though - IR is a "all ways pay" slot - so you either hit the symbol, or it's not on your screen at all.
As De Beuker explained, anything spinning past which does not land on your screen is just "eye candy".

So we agree that:
1- it's server side
2- it's RNG's

Then why are you thinking that the symbols on the reels matter?

-Software sends request to server
-Server stops RNG and obtains number
-Server sends number to software
-Software shows the screen associated with that number

Technically, yes you are right.
As long as every single combination has the exact same chance of appearing, then it amounts to the exact same end result as the RNG being used to determine where each reel stops separately.

e.g. Thunderstruck 1 has 30, 30, 30, 30 & 44 symbols on the reels - so there are 35,640,000 possible different combinations.
So the RNG may well be just programmed to pick a random number between 1 and 35,640,000 and display the result.

KK,

I don't mean to imply that you are "winging it" when I ask how confident you are with the part of your statement "All other softwares use an RNG on their own server - both for fun and real money play."

To the best of my knowledge then. Even I don't know everything!

KK

 

[whodatrec]

Today i`ve been playing at comeon casino and i actually withrew 48 000,- NOK = 6582.05€ from a deposite of 2000 NOK. This casino has both Microgaming and NetEnt slots. I mostley play the NetEnt slots, but i tried a MG slot named winspin..

First it sucked my bankroll dry, but THEN i got 15 winspinns and on the first spinn it gave me 25x on all 5 paylines = 2500 NOK, then on the next spinn it hit the jackpot for 500X my bet for 10 000 NOK. It just keept on giving on all the 15 winspinns. Even tough i won, im CONVINCED MG slots are rigged in some manner. Its like the machine wanted to pay, and then it just hit everything on the same bonus round.

I went on to playing Gonzos Quest(NetEnt) and hit the free falls on 100 NOK bet total win 17000,- NOK.. This is the strange part about the NetEnt slots aswell, its like the harder you bet the looser the slots..you just gotta play the lower stakes until you "feel" the time is right then up the ante. Seen some strange behavior this time around so im starting to think even NetEnt is "Rigged" in some way. Its like when your winning it dosent mather what slots you play it pays either way. Same thing when your loosing, its like it goes into suck you dry mode and all the slots wont pay...

I used to work at a "bingo" where we had bingo slots. The customers bought a ticket with a code that they plotted into the slot to play. It diddent make any difrence what slot they picked, since all the slots where in the same network and the ticket decided the outcome of the game. Im starting to think online casinos work on the same principle.. Maybe its already decided if we win or loose when we make a deposite.

 

[Osloking]

Gratulerer! on the winnings! if i were you i would be celebrateting right now

anyway yes the slot you played is a MG AWP and they are kinda "rigged" since they suck $ till the pot is ready to throw up, and you was there in right time, try few spins with lower bets to see if it complety dead

 

[rainmaker]

Today i`ve been playing at comeon casino and i actually withrew 48 000,- NOK = 6582.05€ from a deposite of 2000 NOK. This casino has both Microgaming and NetEnt slots. I mostley play the NetEnt slots, but i tried a MG slot named winspin..

First it sucked my bankroll dry, but THEN i got 15 winspinns and on the first spinn it gave me 25x on all 5 paylines = 2500 NOK, then on the next spinn it hit the jackpot for 500X my bet for 10 000 NOK. It just keept on giving on all the 15 winspinns. Even tough i won, im CONVINCED MG slots are rigged in some manner. Its like the machine wanted to pay, and then it just hit everything on the same bonus round.

I went on to playing Gonzos Quest(NetEnt) and hit the free falls on 100 NOK bet total win 17000,- NOK.. This is the strange part about the NetEnt slots aswell, its like the harder you bet the looser the slots..you just gotta play the lower stakes until you "feel" the time is right then up the ante. Seen some strange behavior this time around so im starting to think even NetEnt is "Rigged" in some way. Its like when your winning it dosent mather what slots you play it pays either way. Same thing when your loosing, its like it goes into suck you dry mode and all the slots wont pay...

I used to work at a "bingo" where we had bingo slots. The customers bought a ticket with a code that they plotted into the slot to play. It diddent make any difrence what slot they picked, since all the slots where on the same network and the ticked decided the outcome of the game. Im starting to think online casinos work on the same principle.. Maybe its already decided if we win or loose when we make a deposite.

Gratulerer ja!

What a nice run! I have played at Comeon, but never the game Win Spinner (I have a tendency to go straight to the NetEnt section he). I see it is marked as "hot" at ComeOn now

You should post some screenshots in the winner thread!

 

[whodatrec]

Takker!

Yeah, i tought about taking a screenshot, but i use a mac so im not sure how to lol, I guess i forgot it in all the excitement
Hit a big win on Thunderfist aswell alitle over 12000 NOK on 25 bet Cant wait until i get my winnings, gon spend them on some treats for myeself.
Its a strange thing tough, when im winning at NetEnt(not the first time) It gives a huge win, then it goes completley dead. But if i move to another slot it might give a big win again.

Off topic:

You Norwegian guys, do you know the rules for taxes? Do we need to pay taxes on winnings? I read its EU so they cant charge taxes aslong as the casino is in the Europeen Union?

 

[Osloking]

You Norwegian guys, do you know the rules for taxes? Do we need to pay taxes on winnings? I read its EU so they cant charge taxes aslong as the casino is in the Europeen Union?

it sucks right? why should they charge tax when they do not pull lose from tax? according to norwegian law, you must pay 26% tax on wins over 10.000kr.

but you have several options to avoid this, as i know many poker players in norway i have learned many ways to avoid getting robbed.

i send you now a PM regarding "let me keep my god damn winnings tax free!"

 

[Azriel47]

I will first say that this is not a sore loser post as many we have seen in past, and i know it's not popular topic, buuut, please read.

i want to talk about my sessions at 32red in longer perspective. its been quite bad, as you see right after the 1st january my play changed suddenly to this very boring and really not enjoyable at all ride, when you just keep depositing one after another in months after months.

But i kept on hoping it was just a losing streak, since i got much loooove for 32red and the crew, but after 7-8 months with constant losing streak it bugs you really bad, I know that there is not 32Red's fault but the MG software to blame, but in same time, i play at 32red not MG, if you understand me on this one? like buying iphone from eletric store and it becomes damaged, you do blame electric store when something happens to the iphone and not to apple (I sucks to compare)... i want also to point that i dont want to win a penthouse, all i ask for is more playtime, lower your bets you say? well i do! nothing helps!

note that i am a low roller where i am not comfortable bets over 1$

i want to point also that i have had many issue regarding my account, like keep disconnected when i finnally have a good session, my cash is suddenly turned into bonus. reversed money is in bonus etc..

I appreciate the many bonuses i have received through these months, but it helped really not much when my RTP is so low you could not even make it 5x

thanks to a user (Jufo) I have sent him my log for last 6 months (32Red could not give me any longer than that .. ) that he can analyse my sessions.

i just spoke with Phil to find out how much money i have deposited since my losing streak and u can see right under. note that i am way under this amount but this is for 2012.

Phil: Hi, Welcome to the casino, how can I help?
Me: hello phill, i need to know how much i have deposited since 1st january to today
Phil: ok, May I take your login name or number please?
Me: ************
Me: ***********
Phil: I'll just have a look for you 2 minutes.
Phil: Hi sorry for keeping you, since 1st January £9541.83
Me: and how much withdraw?
Phil: £3370
Me: thanks Phil
Phil: No problem
Me: we speaks soon, bye for now )

anyway i just had to tell my fellow casinomeister this since you guys understand it better (my closest friends do not gamble)

so to my point and a question, would you rather continue and hope for better days coming or would you show white flag and move on?

Id put things on the backburner for a while positive/negative wise prolly time for some time out ...go fishing or something ...you will allways get your wins and losses its all up to the RNG end of the day ..and if your lucky enough to hit big all and well ..but its not allways like this...I would show the white flag ..but not move on keep them on the backburner 32red is a good casino and they pay out fast and come highly accredited .. but yeah I would take some time out for consolidation and time to think.
[And ill pm something]