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32red - losing streak?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Osloking, Aug 15, 2012.

    Aug 15, 2012
  1. Osloking

    Osloking Quit Gambling

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    I will first say that this is not a sore loser post as many we have seen in past, and i know it's not popular topic, buuut, please read.

    i want to talk about my sessions at 32red in longer perspective. its been quite bad, as you see right after the 1st january my play changed suddenly to this very boring and really not enjoyable at all ride, when you just keep depositing one after another in months after months.

    But i kept on hoping it was just a losing streak, since i got much loooove for 32red and the crew, but after 7-8 months with constant losing streak it bugs you really bad, I know that there is not 32Red's fault but the MG software to blame, but in same time, i play at 32red not MG, if you understand me on this one? like buying iphone from eletric store and it becomes damaged, you do blame electric store when something happens to the iphone and not to apple (I sucks to compare)... i want also to point that i dont want to win a penthouse, all i ask for is more playtime, lower your bets you say? well i do! nothing helps!

    note that i am a low roller where i am not comfortable bets over 1$

    i want to point also that i have had many issue regarding my account, like keep disconnected when i finnally have a good session, my cash is suddenly turned into bonus. reversed money is in bonus etc..

    I appreciate the many bonuses i have received through these months, but it helped really not much when my RTP is so low you could not even make it 5x :lolup:

    thanks to a user (Jufo) I have sent him my log for last 6 months (32Red could not give me any longer than that .. :confused:) that he can analyse my sessions.

    i just spoke with Phil to find out how much money i have deposited since my losing streak and u can see right under. note that i am way under this amount but this is for 2012.

    Phil: Hi, Welcome to the casino, how can I help?
    Me: hello phill, i need to know how much i have deposited since 1st january to today
    Phil: ok, May I take your login name or number please?
    Me: ************
    Me: ***********
    Phil: I'll just have a look for you 2 minutes.
    Phil: Hi sorry for keeping you, since 1st January £9541.83 :)
    Me: and how much withdraw? :)
    Phil: £3370
    Me: thanks Phil
    Phil: No problem :)
    Me: we speaks soon, bye for now :))

    anyway i just had to tell my fellow casinomeister this since you guys understand it better (my closest friends do not gamble)

    so to my point and a question, would you rather continue and hope for better days coming or would you show white flag and move on?
     
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  2. Aug 16, 2012
  3. shanetospin

    shanetospin Experienced Member MM

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    Welcome to my world, I've had the same problems at the same place. What game do you mainly play?? I find that it's Immortal Romance that plays crap compared to what it used to be like. I also only play at 32Red just like you, but I recently decided to change the games I play instead of sticking to the same one. If that fails I have had better returns using the instant casino rather than the download casino.

    Hold in there your time will come eventually, maybe save your deposits and use them to play bigger bets than you normally would, see what happens. Anyway I hope your luck changes for the better :)

     
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  4. Aug 16, 2012
  5. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    Osloking :D

    Sorry to hear about your bad luck. My luck has also been rather poor on my NetEnt slots (if it makes you feel any better :cool:).

    I know that some of the members here who play at 32Red occasionally will try their sister casinos when 32Red gets tights. Of course it does not really matter where you are playing, but it is probably a psychological thing. Microgaming will be Microgaming regardless of casino.

    As shanetospin also mentioned. I think that many players have a tendency to stick to only a few slots even through very tight times. It may "help" to try a few new slots as well. Try to spread your play a bit more. Microgaming certainly has enough games to choose from!

    Good luck!
     
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  6. Aug 16, 2012
  7. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Nothing stated by the OP suggests anything other than a bog standard losing streak.

    It's gambling.
     
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  8. Aug 16, 2012
  9. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    I had a poor run at Nedplay (100% slot play) changed my strategy a bit, and this happened..............................


    32red - losing streak?: RF6400.jpg,Aug 16, 2012


    Most days you are the statue, sooner or later you will be the pigeon, no doubting that ;).
     
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  10. Aug 16, 2012
  11. me_and_ed

    me_and_ed Ueber Meister CAG MM

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    I have had a brutally bad MG run for a couple months, the last week has been the worst, no playthrough, no conspiracy theories but finding pretty tough value in MG these days.
     
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  12. Aug 16, 2012
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Sorry, but there is simply not enough information in your post for anyone to provide a conclusive answer. We need to know how much you wagered;

    e.g. Deposit £9541, wager £20,570 and withdraw £3370 would be an RTP of 70% = pretty crap
    Deposit £9541, wager £308,550 and withdraw £3370 would be an RTP of 98% = way above average!

    If Jufo can provide your RTP, that would make the picture much clearer.

    I would also be interested to know which games you play the most. I know we think that all MG slots are in the 95% RTP region, but some of them just seem to keep sucking it in and rarely pay out. A change of games could bring you a much needed change of luck.
    Or maybe a complete change of software could help, as you seem to be pretty unhappy with MG right now.

    KK
     
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  14. Aug 16, 2012
  15. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Oh geez not that old chestnut.....

    You're in danger of becoming VWM II :D

    Nice win though. No wonder it pays crap the rest of the time. IMO it is not the same as regular VP, but rather a "slot style" VP I.e. the drawing odds of each card aren't the same.
     
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  16. Aug 16, 2012
  17. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    DISCLAIMER BEFORE NIFTY JUMPS ON MY HEAD!

    The following is my PERSONAL OPINION based on my OWN EXPERIENCES. I am not going to be presenting data or logs or any sort of audit trail or indeed any sort of proof, so please read this post in that context. I am however posting based on the experience of over four and a half years of online play at many casinos, across many softwares, at many different stakes, both bonus and bonus free. I've wagered millions of pounds, across many hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of spins. What I am about to suggest in this post may still be completely wrong, but I believe it to be true based on my own experiences.

    So then, with that out of the way, Microgaming and losing streaks, and indeed the way their software behaves in general - but first a little bit of background.

    When I joined CM a few months ago I was on the arse end of a losing streak at MG casinos, it seemed that for every withdrawal I managed to make at one casino, an MG casino would suck it back. If I played bonus free I got destroyed, if I played with a bonus the WR would kill me, indeed with somewhat suspicious regularity when I got on the home straight of meeting it.

    Karate Pig was the slot that finally did for me, so I took a break from MG for a few weeks (to the extent that I uninstalled every MG casino off every PC in the house). And immediately my ratio of withdrawing to depositing improved, I didn't change my play style, I was still basically low-rolling on a variety of slots, I just removed MG from my diet, and I did better.

    After a few weeks of MG abstinence I decided I must have just been on an unlucky streak, it happens everywhere I told myself, nothing to do with the software I told myself. (And this was not the first time I'd gone through this process over the years.....)

    So I reinstalled a couple of MG casinos, and a couple more, took some bonuses, had the odd session bonus free - and I started losing again. (I plot all my profits and losses, both on UK AWPs in the pubs and online on an Excel spreadsheet). My overall depositing pattern didn't change, the amounts I was depositing per session didn't change and neither did my play style, although I did start losing more because my play time per deposit was just awful.

    Seriously, at the point I started playing MG again, my profits/losses chart looks like it's been driven off the edge of a cliff.

    I stuck with it for a while, reckoning that 'average luck' would start to make itself felt, but not a bit of it. Every withdrawal felt like the end of a war, meeting a WR, even relatively modest WRs, was the most awful battle of attrition, I was happy just to get my money back when I did withdraw, any profit felt like winning the lottery.

    And yet at the same time, everywhere else I was playing rolled just fine, albeit with some wins and losses, but never with that sense of inevitable loss I was getting at MG casinos. MG seemed to be all or nothing, big wins or big losses, very little inbetween, very little in the way of playtime. It was either a case of win and withdraw, or stick around and see any profit ground down to nothing.

    I remember making a £200 deposit at 3Dice last the best part of two weeks and I still withdrew most of it back at the end of it, the same deposit at an MG casino could easily disappear in an evening playing the same stakes.

    Now some of this can be explained by variance, MG have been gravitating more and more towards high or even very high variance slots, they've dressed them up not to look like that (IR/TSII), but under the skin they're high variance, as are slots like The Dark Knight, which also give RTP away to the progressive.

    Variance explains some of it, but not all of it.

    So here's my opinion.

    MG slots are not random in the truest sense of the word, they feel 'pseudo-random' to me in a way that a truly random slot cannot, I'd almost go as far as to say that they're compensated. Now we know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that MG do have compensated slots on their books, the AWPS, we can say for 100% certain that these slots are compensated, everyone knows it. (VWM sent me a little 'method' to test in free play, which I proceeded to do and quite frankly the results made my eyes water.)

    My feeling is that there's something about the AWPs in all of MG's slots, the idea that wins have to be 'paid for', and some sort of mechanism that kicks in when on a WR, to 'dial back' the RNG to deliver the 'preferred' RTP. (Almost like second-dealing in blackjack, if the RNG returns an unfavourable result, the software calls it again to get a different answer.)

    I've just seen it too many times, on too many WRs, to believe it's random bad luck, I got to the stage where I could predict to within 5% of the WR target as to when the slots would clam up. Play on a WR anywhere else, no such thing ever happens, or certainly not with any kind of regularity that got my spidey-sense tingling. I've seen so many EV+ positions on an MG WR turn into a bust out that it's not even funny.

    And then of course there's MG's 'streakiness', again, everyone talks openly about this here at CM and elsewhere, and I've never seen the same terminology or the same consensus reached about any other software. Yes random numbers do weird things sometimes, and sometimes they look like they're making patterns, but there comes a point whereby the random explanation becomes unbelievable and we must instead start to assume there is some kind of control in place.

    So finally, what did I do about it?

    A few weeks ago I quietly uninstalled every MG casino off every PC in the house. Again.

    I didn't make a big song and dance about it, I think I've mentioned it a couple of times here at CM in response to a specific question or two, but I haven't played MG for a few weeks now.

    I've carried on slotting of course, at many other casinos, playing many other softwares. Same sorts of deposits, same sorts of stakes (with the exception of the 1777% bonus at Tropica, which quite frankly I wouldn't have expected to beat at an MG casino in a million years) - same play, but no MG.

    Already my profits/losses graph is looking a lot healthier, my deposits are lasting longer, I'm surviving WRs far more as 'average luck' would suggest. I am, in simple terms, doing a hell of a lot better now I'm not slotting MG again.

    I leave you to draw your own conclusions, I am just one player and this is just my own opinion, and I do not present it as anything more than that.

    In closing, if you're getting pissed off with MG, do what I did, UNINSTALL, take a break from them, and play elsewhere. You may be surprised by the results.

    Personally speaking, I ain't going back to them again.
     
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  18. Aug 16, 2012
  19. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Let me try and get this straight Chopley ....
    You're seriously saying, that you believe MG slots to be somehow weighted, and any winnings have to be "paid for", and at the same time you believe that 3Dice slots are completely random ? (Not going into any discussion about 3dice or any other software...just that you compared the 2, and reached an, imho, very surprising conclusion).
    I don't think you've played enough 3Dice slots yet mate (This is MY opinion). Why don't you go for a good ride there...say 12 months of play, and then come back, and tell us what you think ;)
     
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  20. Aug 16, 2012
  21. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I uninstalled 3Dice at the same time I uninstalled all MG casinos and I haven't been back since ;)
     
  22. Aug 16, 2012
  23. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    You didn't want to be questioned Chopley. Sorry, didn't read it properly.
     
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  24. Aug 16, 2012
  25. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Not at all Tirilej, I realise my experience isn't the same as everyone's MG experience, and I'm more than happy to discuss this with other folks and compare my experiences with their own :)

    My personal hunch is something changed with MG a few years ago, as per this thread from 2008.

    I'm not saying MG changed the RTPs (although they still WILL NOT TELL THE PLAYERS what the RTPs of their slots are), but I think they changed the way they get there.

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-thinking-somethings-changed-microgaming.html
     
  26. Aug 16, 2012
  27. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Well, I've never had an ounce of luck with Microgaming slots. I had to dump Dash last month.

    Great casino. Good service. Nice enough people.

    Terrible sessions. No playtime.

    I just gave up.
     
  28. Aug 16, 2012
  29. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    32Red have what is arguably the best customer service in the online casino world (and Dash are part of the same group, of course) - but IMO they're victims of the software they run.

    I uninstalled 32Red with a bit of a heavy heart, but at the end of the day, they're still an MG casino.
     
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  30. Aug 16, 2012
  31. PNEFOREVER2

    PNEFOREVER2 Senior Member MM

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    I sort of sympathize with the op as I know where he's coming from.

    Only been gambling for around 18 months,mainly across 3 casino's and only ever usually take out meagre amounts-on a very rare basis-meagre being usually around £70-£100,because if I don't the inevitable (that that normally happens) will surely happen.

    I've made no secret that I only ever play TS2/IR,which is probably part of my problem,but even so you would expect a half decent hit/result somewhere down the line.

    Take my brother for instance (jammy git),won £189 on 1 hit on IR this morning and has just posted another 4 wilds desire feature worth above £400-has actually had a few nice hits.

    I never get days like this!
     
  32. Aug 16, 2012
  33. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Well, that just proves that your brother is lucky and you're not. :D
    It doesn't say anything whatsoever about the software.


     
  34. Aug 16, 2012
  35. Silencio

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    @Chopley
    So you distrust MG but trust Rival? Please play some more there before you start saying things you might regret later on. Just my honest opinion.. Cause I played at a lot of Rival casinos a couple years ago, and I played at a lot of MG casinos. And I think Rival is not to be trusted. There are a lot of things which are very dubious, like for instance they give out insanely high no deposit bonus exclusives to some sites out there. Ever seen an MG casino give a 200 no deposit bonus? Why not? Cause they have no control over the games, and I think most Rival casinos do.. If you play a bonus with high WR, you will most likely go high up early on, and once you're over half way there, the slots will all turn cold. At least that's what I noticed happened to me all the time. Might just be coincidence but if I had to put a bet on which software is rigged apart from BetOnSoft and the other shady ones, it would be Rival.
    MG slots are just like any other slots.. if you win anything and then go back below the balance you had going in at the same slot, you will most likely end up with an empty pocket.. same as it works 95% of the time at a slot in a brick and mortar casino or bar or wherever. They are programmed to make you lose, not to first make you win an insane amount at one slot and then take it back at every other slot you try cause you are getting close to finishing the WR, like I think (=feeling not logic) is the case at most Rival casinos.
     
  36. Aug 16, 2012
  37. PNEFOREVER2

    PNEFOREVER2 Senior Member MM

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    Don't I know it! I couldn't win a 2 ticket raffle!

    I have had issues though whilst playing the games I normally play.

    Almost every spin is severely laggy,I have to wait 5 minutes to spin again to get a 'normal' spin,then surely enough within the next few spins they're back to their usual laggy self.

    Started having this problem last year,and changed my laptop to find the problem still existed,this isn't the odd bit of lag like in Chopleys recent Dark Knight review,this is almost every spin-and instant play isn't much better.

    I originally thought it was just down to 32Red but found it also happens on Ladbrokes too.Quite frustrating to say the least.
     
  38. Aug 18, 2012
  39. leonardo99

    leonardo99 Senior Member MM PABaccred webmeister

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    My 2012 summary..no cashouts from January..no playtime..and I made couple of deposits..
     

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