Will 1 skew casinos lose in the end?

dionysus

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Now, I like 32Red (and GoWild) but ultimately, will they lose?
Casinos now offer multiple providers of games, so will 1 skew casinos fall to the wayside, even with great service, loyal fans and quick payouts?
I like microgaming. But now, and moreso soon I'm sure, casinos will offer microgaming AND more. Take for instance, Bet365. I can play some micro and some playtech, and a few others to boot. Will the 1 skew casino die out?
 

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Yes, I think that casinos with games from only 1 suppliers eventually will die out. I do not mean that 32Red literally will DIE, but I think that they at some point also will need to follow the trend we have seen for a longer time and add games from other suppliers as well.

As you already have pointed out. Many casinos today with a full selection of for example Playtech or NetEnt games are also offering a bunch of the most popular games from Microgaming (Quickfire) as well.

It is bit strange, but I think that the Quickfire solution is much better (and faster!) than both the instant play and downlodable version offered by Microgaming casinos today.

One example is Redbet. They have a full NetEnt casino together with over 50 Microgaming games including some of the latest (Batman etc). All of these games are available directly on their site. Another example is the new Maxino. Full NetEnt + a bunch of Microgaming and several other suppliers.

The thing is that I am not sure if players actually need over 400 Microgaming games. I think many players prefer a wider and better selection of games from different suppliers instead.
 

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I was thinking about this the other day.

Mr Green for example has pretty much every slot out there.

HOWEVER, and I don't know if this is just me, I only ever play NetEnt games there. Then I'll log on to Blue Sq and play IGT - before firing up 32Red to play Microgaming.

Also the native MG environment is much better/slicker than what you get with the flash portal, which makes for a more enjoyable experience IMHO.

I think that may be just the more 'experienced' amongst us who were around before you could get it in one place; I agree this is a threat with new customers moving forward.
 

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Until MG streamlines and gets the bugs out of their software, I can totally see the benefit of being able to play in the browser. And imagine the hard drive space you'd get back - the MG directory on my hard drive is a little over 2GB!
 

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Until MG streamlines and gets the bugs out of their software, I can totally see the benefit of being able to play in the browser. And imagine the hard drive space you'd get back - the MG directory on my hard drive is a little over 2GB!

Don't forget the "hidden" MGS folder in application data that is most likely 10+ GB :)

A Casino is not just made by the software though, i like 32Red not perse for their variety of games, but rather the amazing service.
Should a Casino like this ever come anywhere close to losing money, for lack of customers, i'm pretty sure they will take steps to get back in there.
I don't really see that happening though.
It's like this: if you want a fine piece of juicy meat, you go to the butcher or deli, and not the wallmart store, if you catch my drift:)
 

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I always have more issues with browser based casinos than downloads. This has made me prefer downloads. So far, the download lobbies have only featured games from one provider.

What needs to happen is for download clients to develop support for games from any provider in the same way that the browser versions have. This must be much harder to code than for browser based casinos, else it would have been done already. The next step would be to ensure that whatever is developed works just as well on any OS, rather than having to produce one version for each with different games and features. It would be the same platform, but an intelligent installer would configure it for the OS detected, and install the correct modules to suit. The games themselves would work on any of these installations. It would mean ditching Flash and the assumption that Internet Explorer will be available on the device.

Browser based games generally need more bandwidth than download client based games, and this causes long delays when trying to switch between games, and overall uses far more bandwidth for a regular player. The latter may not be true with the Microgaming client though, as it seems to repeatedly download games it already has, and several times a month. One would need to be a very keen player to use this much bandwidth with Quickfire;)

Oddly enough, the old Lasseters and Ausvegas casinos had a solution for this. There was an option to save the cache for games already played, so that despite being Flash based, the next time you played the same game it would load from the local cache, not via the browser. This does not happen in other browser based casinos, each game is loaded afresh, and some are pretty large.
 

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The thought of 32red providing games from more than one software provider does excite me :D though I guess theres a lot of complications when it comes to licencing i.e. do they have a contract with microgaming to only use their software for x number of years.
But I agree those sites only offering 1 provider will loose out on a lot of customers or die out all together, I almost only play at Mr Green, mainly due to huge number of games on offer and would happily swap to 32red if they done the same.
 

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The thought of 32red providing games from more than one software provider does excite me :D though I guess theres a lot of complications when it comes to licencing i.e. do they have a contract with microgaming to only use their software for x number of years.
But I agree those sites only offering 1 provider will loose out on a lot of customers or die out all together, I almost only play at Mr Green, mainly due to huge number of games on offer and would happily swap to 32red if they done the same.

This was another problem highlighted here. There was a casino that had terms buried in the smallprint that certain games offered on it's multi-provider platform could not be played from certain countries, yet the casino itself took players from those countries. There was nothing in the software that presented only the correct games to players in those countries, all players were expected to read the terms, and even figure out which actual games were covered by being given details of the supplier, not the actual list of prohibited games. This required players to know which games came from which supplier, and under which licensing agreement between game supplier and rights owner. To expect players to interpret copyright law and licensing restrictions on the fly during their play is bullshit, even top lawyers don't know how it all works out when cases go to court. If players are found playing the wrong games for their country, their winnings get confiscated, even in free play mode:confused: If they lose, of course the casino keeps the money IT won from those games that were not supposed to be played in that country.
This is the final hurdle that needs to be overcome, the multi provider platform must offer it's games IN FULL to all players the operator decides to serve. If a player from an allowed country sees a game he likes, and can play it, this should be OK and he should not have to worry that some behind the scenes licensing agreement is about to strip him of his winnings.
 

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This was another problem highlighted here. There was a casino that had terms buried in the smallprint that certain games offered on it's multi-provider platform could not be played from certain countries, yet the casino itself took players from those countries. There was nothing in the software that presented only the correct games to players in those countries, all players were expected to read the terms, and even figure out which actual games were covered by being given details of the supplier, not the actual list of prohibited games. This required players to know which games came from which supplier, and under which licensing agreement between game supplier and rights owner. To expect players to interpret copyright law and licensing restrictions on the fly during their play is bullshit, even top lawyers don't know how it all works out when cases go to court. If players are found playing the wrong games for their country, their winnings get confiscated, even in free play mode:confused: If they lose, of course the casino keeps the money IT won from those games that were not supposed to be played in that country.
This is the final hurdle that needs to be overcome, the multi provider platform must offer it's games IN FULL to all players the operator decides to serve. If a player from an allowed country sees a game he likes, and can play it, this should be OK and he should not have to worry that some behind the scenes licensing agreement is about to strip him of his winnings.

I really enjoyed BetVictor; one problem? You can't play all their games. Canada is restricted from several of their games...a little pop-up comes up telling me so and doesn't let me in the game.
 

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What I wonder most when reading this thread is where do you find the time to play all these games?:eek:

When I play at 32Red I maybe have 20 games among my favourits that I do want to play, but since I rarily have that kind of money or time I might play 10 games.
If I win I usually feels lucky because then I can play a few more games:p
I'm very fast in cashing out if I'm up a little so it's a rare thing that I play them all.

Obviously I have the same problem with all softwares I play at. My favourits comes first and the new ones have to wait until I can afford them.

I don't need a casino that have all my favourits. I wouldn't be able to chose:eek2:
 

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Don't forget the "hidden" MGS folder in application data that is most likely 10+ GB :)

A Casino is not just made by the software though, i like 32Red not perse for their variety of games, but rather the amazing service.
Should a Casino like this ever come anywhere close to losing money, for lack of customers, i'm pretty sure they will take steps to get back in there.
I don't really see that happening though.
It's like this: if you want a fine piece of juicy meat, you go to the butcher or deli, and not the wallmart store, if you catch my drift:)

If 32Red Group manage to acquire some NetEnt slots somewhere down the line, layered with their customer service/approach - they'll take over the world.
 

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I really enjoyed BetVictor; one problem? You can't play all their games. Canada is restricted from several of their games...a little pop-up comes up telling me so and doesn't let me in the game.

At least BetVictor have coded this into the software, rather than having you bear the responsibilty of knowing. It is just too complicated for the average user. Players want a simple yes your country can play, or a no it can't. You get this with the single supplier casinos.

The multi supplier platforms need to sort out this licensing bullshit so that the users' experience is a simple one. If the rights owner wan't cooperate, tell them to "shove it up their ....." and go to a different rights owner for a competing brand. Those rights owners who insist on being so anal will lose out on revenue, and will reconsider their position.

Game developers have fallen into the trap of letting the tail wag the dog, and will agree to the most ridiculous and anal restrictions just to secure the right to brand the game. From the affiliate side, I could see just how anal the studio was about LOTR. Uniquely, affiliates received a directive on how they should market the game, this was so anal in scope that it went on to stipulate grammatical detail of how to write the name of the slot, even which words should begin with a capital letter. Then came a directive about how to describe the background story, it meant that it could not be described in an objective and truthful manner, but had to be "spun" to suit MGS and the studio. You could not even mention that the original work was a book, nor the name of the author. You could not describe the film fully either, you had to avoid mentioning certain characters, let alone the actor's names (which was absolutely forbidden).

It is hardly surprising therefore that LOTR was unique in that MGS actually PULLED a game rather than add yet another to it's long list when they secured the Batman rights. No anal directive seems to have resulted from this.

Do slots need this big ticket branding at all? Generic reelstrips and storylines will work just as well, look at "Immortal Romance", a generic "Twilight" themed slot, but with none of the complications of external licensing.


When I play LOTR, or Batman as it is now called, I don't give a troll's ass what is on the reels, it is how the game plays and what the bonus rounds are like that interests me. MGS "own brand" sounds can be just as good, if not better, than anything licensed along with the slot theme.

Spend less money on licensing, and more on developing new slot features, and of course keep some spare for fixing all those damn bugs that MGS never seem to have time to deal with because they are too busy reinventing the wheel.
 

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If 32Red Group manage to acquire some NetEnt slots somewhere down the line, layered with their customer service/approach - they'll take over the world.

Yeah...it would be great with some NetEnt games at 32Red :D

It used to be casinos with NetEnt games that added for example games from Microgaming into their portfolio. They still do of course. But what I have seen lately is that casinos with games from other suppliers also have started to actually add NetEnt into their portfolio. I just mentioned Boyle in another thread. They are a typical Playtech casino, but they are just about to add a bunch of NetEnt games in their Games section.
 
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