Which casinos still be here 10 years later?

[CasinoForumu]

Good casinos can continue to work in this business.

There are many good casinos but as you know quality doesnt guarante to making business for long years.They must have capasity of selling their quality,etc.

What do you think?

Which casinos will be still here 10 years later?

 

[SlotsPlayer]

32Red

 

[liquidsoap]

I would have to say any casino with a pokerroom attached. Id say partygaming will be the most successful over the years.

 

[jetset]

Ten years is a long time - the life of the industry to date, pretty much.

I would say that, all things being equal we will see the big, successful operations of today even more entrenched and prosperous...and I think that ultimately, and within this 10 year span the USA will come to the logical conclusion that regulating online gambling protects more U.S. players and generates more tax than banning it.

If or when that happens we'll see some spectacular and very experienced newcomers in the shape of major land brands that will have a hugely positive impact on the business....and result in a way more competitive field that could see even big companies failing if the management doesn't get customer relations right. That means serious improvements in both service and respect for players.

Regulation will become considerably more effective and meaningful than at present - led by jurisdictions like the UK that are serious about genuine and enforced standards of efficiency and conduct. Savvy players will prefer sites where they have the least chance of hassles, and recourse to a formal system if they do run into trouble.

Generally, that should make for safer gambling imo.

Consolidation will continue apace, and there will be far fewer of the already threatened small budget, unprofessional rats and mice operators around. I think there will be some thinning out among the software providers at the low end, too.

Technology - who would have guessed ten years ago that the technology would develop to the extent that it has, and online gambling and the games available will probably have even more ambience and possibilitities thanks to technological wizardry in the next decade - really something to look forward to.

My list for the future would include Trident, 888.com, Fortune Lounge, Party Gaming, Casino Action, Casino Rewards (yes, their CRM will have to sharpen up) Carmen Media, Empire Online (but they will have to do more to get with the program if they really want to be around) Leisure and Gaming, Jackpot Factory, Gaming Corp, VPL, Golden Palace (I hate to admit it, but they will be among the survivors) Ladbrokes and Will Hill, Kiwi, Palace Group, Sportingbet, Canbet, Main Street, IOG and Doleplex (yes, this group is now very significant in terms of acquisitions and ambitions)

There are plenty of other groups who will make it if they sort themselves out and accept that the player is the key to real success. For instance Grand Prive, which has some distance to go before it would get on to my list for the future.

There are many good and professional groups that are continually improving in all spheres as this industry matures and more experienced and professional managers are developed.

The future looks positive to me.

 

[schankwart]

I assume Casino Bar will still be there.

 

[jetset]

Nope - they wouldn't be on my list at all.

Dicky software, poor communicating and a management that is publicity-shy and doesn't take it's lumps when things go wrong (as we have seen with the recent attempts to screw players at Winners Casino downward by 50 percent on legitimately earned winnings)

I don't personally believe PurePoker or Futurebet will be around either - the player-unfriendly way they are handling the latest crisis in their lives is not a good indicator of a company that will make it in an even more competitive environment.

These are not the attributes of a winning company with a solid future. Just my opinion.

 

[chuchu59]

The key issue is profitability. Unless this industry can find some ways of denouncing the rogues and relay this to all new unwary players, there is still ample room for them to survive. Remember, their costs, both in terms of manpower resources and evasion of payments are much lower than those like 32 RED. They dont look to forge long-term relationships but rather track down the suckers (no offence intended) and drain money from them. You can take a cue from phynster's posts which give an insight into these.

Too much crap already from me but I think that apart from 32 RED)MG), the Sunny Group(RTG), Intercasino(Wagerlogic) and Inetbet(RTG), three others that would probably survive 10 years from are the Virtual Group, 1cnp.com and Windows. The latter is under new management but I think it has built up a huge client base,though not necessarily loyal, over the years. If handed well, I would think it will a force top be reckoned with in the years to come.

 

[schankwart]

Of course my Casino Bar statement was just a joke but... maybe a serious one.
They have successfully been giving c*** to players for many years now but managed to maintain in business.

 

[johnsteed]

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Great idea for a thread (I must say)!

And very smart post by "Jetset".

I would imagine that the majority of MG casinos will probably still be around in 10-years, and probably the majority (of a very small group of) Cryptologic casinos.

At the top, I would guess that places such as:


- Trident Lounge


- LadBrokes


- JackpOt FactOry


- 32Red


- RoxyPalace


- Intercasino/Ritz Club/Littlewoods/Sands/William Hill Casino


- Fortune Lounge


- Golden Palace (despite what wrong they do, they still have a huge following)


- The Sunny Group


...will all still be around in 10 years time. Although I do like Sci-Fi/BreakAway, and I can see that a place like an iNetBet is doing well enough at the moment, I'd only have enough confidence to put BoDog as a group as a possible "maybe" (for an RTG casino) of being around that long.


Steed

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[Simmo!]

Unfortunately, if John Steed is still posting, most of us will be blind and won't be able to look back to see who was right

Anyway...to the point. I think the large popular brands, and the clever, friendly independent brands will still be here, but the smaller ones will have been bought out by the larger ones.

I can see we'll have two or three dominating "groups", and lots of the brands we see today under their umbrellas. I also think those "groups" will be household names, either from outside the industry, or maybe built from within.

I also think the B&M Casinos will have a very strong foothold in the online casino market. Sands, Venetian, MGM etc. I can see the live "dealer" technology being used to allow B&M Casinos to distribute their brands online, and bring all their casinos in Vegas, the UK and Macau (etc) together. I think land based slot jackpots and live tables will integrate into the online casino experience and change the way we see it now.

"Community" is the thing missing from online play, and the B&M's are very well placed to use their existing and new properties to bring that community feel to online gaming.

 

[johnsteed]

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Hmmm, lots of jabs sent my way this past weekend. Criticism or all in good fun? I'm beginning to wonder...


Steed

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[bkdixon]

Dont you ever stop psoting JS. Im mainly a lurker here but your posts and threads are among the best

 

[Simmo!]

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Hmmm, lots of jabs sent my way this past weekend. Criticism or all in good fun? I'm beginning to wonder...
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LOL - def "good fun" Steed You should know me by now

 

[nafanny29]

Hey johnstead your posts and threads are amongst the best, please continue to impress nad amuse your fellow CM members

And on the subject of casinos that will still be here in 10 yrs time I say it will be those that get INDEPENdANT PROOF of dealing fair games. Within the next 10 years those caught cheating will be discovered IMHO.

 

[Macgyver]

Hmmm, lots of jabs sent my way this past weekend. Criticism or all in good fun? I'm beginning to wonder...

Tack on another vote for the jabs being all in good fun ... don't let it get you down, john.

Maybe we should start a poll to answer the question more effectively?

 

[dominique]

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Hmmm, lots of jabs sent my way this past weekend. Criticism or all in good fun? I'm beginning to wonder...


Steed

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This can be a cantancerous crowd, but you are always well loved here.

Great threads! :notworthy

 

[jetset]

QUOTE: I can see the live "dealer" technology being used to allow B&M Casinos to distribute their brands online, and bring all their casinos in Vegas, the UK and Macau (etc) together. I think land based slot jackpots and live tables will integrate into the online casino experience and change the way we see it now. UNQUOTE

Good observation, which resonates strongly with me. Allied to new technology developments this could be a very powerful medium. Mel Molnick has a fortune hanging on his patents here!

 

[jetset]

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Hmmm, lots of jabs sent my way this past weekend. Criticism or all in good fun? I'm beginning to wonder...


Steed

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Hang in, John - you're a valuable contributor here as far as I am concerned, and I'm sure most of the *jabs* are in a spirit of fun.

If they're not (shrug) well it takes all types to make a message board and there will always be those who cavil. If they can't criticise the content, what else is there to moan about but the presentation

 

[greedygirl]

Jetset--you were certainly feeling a bit generous when you wrote your list.

John Steed was probably a bit more on target, but I'm not convinced Sunny and Golden Palace will make it, should the big Vegas B&M's come on board.

Simmo is dead on with the technology aspect. Should the US wisen up and allow for regulation, we'll begin to see companies like IGT and Ballys, etc., licensing individual games to casinos, having a proufound effect on what players have to choose from. With this in mind, perhaps the question should be not which brands will still be here ten years from now, but which software providers will still be here? Would any of the current software providers be able to compete with a B&M casino entering online, using varied licensed games?

Seeing how things have changed so much over the relatively short period of time online gambling has been in existence, it's going to be exciting to see what happens in the future.

 

[jetset]

QUOTE: Would any of the current software providers be able to compete with a B&M casino entering online, using varied licensed games? UNQUOTE

Short answer - yes, at the top end of the business I believe they would - there's a huge amount of unique experience and diversity resident in the leading provider companies and smart land game outfits would be looking at partnerships or acquisitions if they were smart.