Videoslots - 75% RTP - Support thinks this is 'pretty good' what do you guys think?

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[geordiecolin]

I made a small deposit yesterday £30 as fancied a blast on DoA, no play time, went straight through - moved onto Reel Island and won £200 on DoA Wildline and £60 on Scruffy Duck.

VS is the only site I play at that I can never get anywhere near a wild line and the only site that I went over 800 spins without a feature on DoA, most from every other site has been 400. As for Jungle Spirit on there, don't get me started

I've flogged DOA at Videoslots too over time and I have never had a wild line once. I view DOA as a slot that I only play when I am happy to lose. Such as when I have already made a withdrawal or cashback or winnings from the free rolls. Occasionally I deposit specifically to play DOA but I never actually expect to win on it. I know that eventually I will get lucky though

 

[geordiecolin]

that honour goes to the software providers themselves, who are as bent as a nine bob note!

Now that is what I call a proper Geordie expression

 

[spintee]

I also give VS top props, fastest payouts, no bullshit, usually get $200-$300 week in cashback that is always free, race money but its the cashouts, I rarely wait beyond 30 mins, most casinos (even accredited ones) are not at this speed.

I am pretty much anti bonus, I am sure this comment will piss some people off but it makes me sick reading some of these complaints when it pertains to a bonus, the reality of all casinos is that they are there to make money like any business in the whole world, its called gambling for a reason, I don't understand the expectation of some people, some win, most lose, we all hope we are in the first category but that simply is not possible, if you are not prepared to lose your money then don't play.

I do not think you will find many people actually putting the casino down or say anything bad against it

What people are saying including my self is play there is terrible

what annoys me is that its perfectly ok for people to say things about a casino when its a good thing but when its not so good they do not expect a lashing for speaking there words just because others think diffrent.

I have nether once in my gambling life moaned about losing 1 penny, what I moan about is getting feck all for my penny. I would at least like to flip that penny and call heads or tails instead of it getting flipped and not landing

Yes they have some of the fastest payouts but all sites should be like this, they are not but hopefully in the futer all casino should have time limits

 

[nikantw]

Well going by peoples displeasure about the game play there in recent months it is out standing Serious there has been so many complaints about the horrible game play there? someone just pointed out it does not add up and there right

how can there be so many people stating the same thing? I am not talking about one or two depos's here either, something is not right and I have seen it myself

Lets just say the average casino takes a 5% profit over a long run giving that some games pay over 95% and some less, taking into account peoples wage, offices, bills, renting the games, servers, casino race etc etc, they must be taking in some serious wedge and the way machines pay there is no way a casino can run on 5% or less or is they??

No I am not saying things are fixed, but the pay out is to good to belive across any site

Depends on the expenses that are wagering related (like some taxes). Because most expenses don’t increase with the wagering. Lets say you deposit 100. Higher RTP on your season means you will wager more (if you play until bust) not that you won’t lose the 100. Even with 98% RTP at the end of your season the 100 will be gone, it will just take longer.

The trick is in taxes, wagering related expenses like cashback or race, and time. How fast you lose your money is very important to casinos, especially land based. Those need you to lose as fast as possible, that is why they have lower RTP. Online, from your home, you can play longer, so they can afford higher RTP (on the taxes front, they will pay the same sooner or later). Like I said before, with 68% you wager 3x the deposit, with 97% 33x the deposit (until bust).

 

[Tropicana50]

Nearly a million spins tracked here. Doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary is going on:

SRP is coming in at 94.94%.

- T

 

[spintee]

Nearly a million spins tracked here. Doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary is going on:

SRP is coming in at 94.94%.

- T

I believe I have the right to a little moan than

 

[lockinlove]

Nice slot

 

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[lockinlove]

Yeah I know too small sample size

I have went through page after page and almost every single slot I play looks like the above. I didnt post the other ones under a hundred spins that are all 30% pretty much. or in the 90's thats not worth crying about

I believe I have 2 slots out of like 100 that I am in the green in.

Thanks slottracker. You have helped me quit gambling after reviewing my stats. I am disgusted in what this industry has become.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yeah I know too small sample size

I have went through page after page and almost every single slot I play looks like the above. I didnt post the other ones under a hundred spins that are all 30% pretty much. or in the 90's thats not worth crying about

I believe I have 2 slots out of like 100 that I am in the green in.

Thanks slottracker. You have helped me quit gambling after reviewing my stats. I am disgusted in what this industry has become.

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Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

 

[geordiecolin]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I am sure that I can hear someone typing furiously right now

 

[trancemonkey]

I am sure that I can hear someone typing furiously right now

I fully expect people to take umbrage with what i've said - but if i based every game i made on a 200 spins worth of play, i'd never finish messing with the maths, because in a single 200 spins session, a game can be shockingly bad, or wonderfully good. And what we do IS make, hopefully, entertaining games that people like to play and will sometimes win out of...

In the examples LockInLove gives, the game at 40% (ish) after 153 games - if that paid an 80x win, it would be back on %. Whilst i don't personally like BTG games, they are volatile and do pay wins of that size. You can't have a game on percentage after such a small amount of games - otherwise you would NEVER be able to award a win of more than around 5x, and the volatility would be so low, no one would ever play it...

SlotTracker is great, but also dangerous if people make decisions based on stats like LockInLove as done. That said, everyone has the right to make a decision about their gambling for whatever reason - and i would never encourage anyone to gamble - whether they wanted to gamble or not. It's a personal choice

 

[greylady]

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I would imagine there is a lack of entertainment too. When all you get are dead spins, your 'game time' is restricted too so even the entertainment factor is lacking, it becomes boring, same old, same old.

 

[geordiecolin]

I fully expect people to take umbrage with what i've said - but if i based every game i made on a 200 spins worth of play, i'd never finish messing with the maths, because in a single 200 spins session, a game can be shockingly bad, or wonderfully good. And what we do IS make, hopefully, entertaining games that people like to play and will sometimes win out of...

In the examples LockInLove gives, the game at 40% (ish) after 153 games - if that paid an 80x win, it would be back on %. Whilst i don't personally like BTG games, they are volatile and do pay wins of that size. You can't have a game on percentage after such a small amount of games - otherwise you would NEVER be able to award a win of more than around 5x, and the volatility would be so low, no one would ever play it...

SlotTracker is great, but also dangerous if people make decisions based on stats like LockInLove as done. That said, everyone has the right to make a decision about their gambling for whatever reason - and i would never encourage anyone to gamble - whether they wanted to gamble or not. It's a personal choice

I know from personal experience that there are a number of games that I should never expect a good rtp for the first 100-200 spins so I base my slotting choices on that.
If I have limited time-say not long before bedtime- I will only deposit £20 and avoid the likes of Jack and the Beanstalk on 40-60p spins.

 

[lockinlove]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

I know I get that, it was just me trying to show that almost every slot I have tracked since buying the software is just a shit show.

No need to pick and choose the one that suits you though. There are some that I posted over a thousand spins. Which again yes I know the whole sample size blah blah blah but when you add up almost every single slot that looks like that, no wonder im sick of it.

And as greylady said, how is playing with stats like that entertaining at the least? Its not.

 

[trancemonkey]

I know I get that, it was just me trying to show that almost every slot I have tracked since buying the software is just a shit show.

No need to pick and choose the one that suits you though. There are some that I posted over a thousand spins. Which again yes I know the whole sample size blah blah blah but when you add up almost every single slot that looks like that, no wonder im sick of it.

And as greylady said, how is playing with stats like that entertaining at the least? Its not.

All the ones i saw were less than 250 spins, so apologies if there were more in previous posts... and of course I can't defend a bad game. For me, i only play games that entertain me AND i have a good chance of winning on... So outside of work related research, i tend to actually play very few slots (probably around 10 different ones mostly) and to get on my regular rotation is very hard. Flame Busters is the most recent that has - but i love the game and am not keen on the theme...

Slot Tracker just is an aid for me... not a 100% decision maker

 

[spintee]

Hey LockInLove

Whilst i totally understand your frustration, you can't base you decision on games where you have had 135 spins - you are just as likely to be at 40% as you are 150%. SlotTracker is great in showing you your spend, but using it as a guide to base a decision on "the industry" in the way you have is unjust. What RTP do you expect after 135 spins?

Also, you should really base any gambling on the RTP - you should base it on whether you were entertained. What we make is entertainment...

True, but you have to understand, lets say you betting 50p and you deposit £25 now 25 is alot 0f cash to some people why others do that on 1 spin.

you have got a least 50 spins and if your lucks out and rtp is 40% than you will get another 20 spins, How long do you think them 70 spins are going to last? just a few minutes

Years ago for £5 - £10 you used to get hours of play so something has changed

What slots providers are doing is like what she said before that each machine is like a jackpot machines as you either hit big or bust very quick, Unless of course money is no object along with the time. You can probably carry on all day and get a few good hits, but people do not have the time or money.

I am sure if we got a good play than we would not mind and even if you do get a god hit than whats that a few 100x at best

 

[lockinlove]

True, but you have to understand, lets say you betting 50p and you deposit £25 now 25 is alot 0f cash to some people why others do that on 1 spin.

you have got a least 50 spins and if your lucks out and rtp is 40% than you will get another 20 spins, How long do you think them 70 spins are going to last? just a few minutes

Years ago for £5 - £10 you used to get hours of play so something has changed

What slots providers are doing is like what she said before that each machine is like a jackpot machines as you either hit big or bust very quick, Unless of course money is no object along with the time. You can probably carry on all day and get a few good hits, but people do not have the time or money.

I am sure if we got a good play than we would not mind and even if you do get a god hit than whats that a few 100x at best

Actually its so bad that if you play all day and money is not a big deal, it wont matter. Over the past 3 weeks I have done over 100,000 spins and I have not had a good hit for that type of sample size. 685x is a good hit but my sample size I would expect some 1000x in there.

And just because money isnt an issue, doesnt really mean anything aside I can afford to play. But dead slots for weeks on end is absolutely boring. And I still get incredibly frustrated where I think whats the point. I dont know if i can but I will give you my bandicam folder and you can see that I had over 500 bonuses and over 475 of them are terrible.

They are all made like jackpot slots now. Which sucks

 

[slotter999]

Yeah I know too small sample size

I have went through page after page and almost every single slot I play looks like the above. I didnt post the other ones under a hundred spins that are all 30% pretty much. or in the 90's thats not worth crying about

I believe I have 2 slots out of like 100 that I am in the green in.

Thanks slottracker. You have helped me quit gambling after reviewing my stats. I am disgusted in what this industry has become.

I actually think the sample size could be fairly representative of a typical session to be honest and yeah it doesn't look great.

I saw the response from trancemonkey saying it could just have easily been the other way except I don't believe that to be true. If you had shown all of those pics with positive RTP I'd have been v. surprised.

Maybe the slotstracker team can share with us how a 'typical' session plays out. Those of us not trying to promote the industry already know what they most probably looks like.

 

[bebo67]

I think with regards to VS low RTP, it's going to be a hit and miss. You have over 2k games to chose from, and chances are you will inadvertently chose the wrong one. Its like the find the prize under the bowls, the more bowls you have to pick from, your chances drop immensely You could almost say there is a method in their madness with that many games. And I don't care what people say, the more people that play on one game diminishes your chances too. You see it in the 1k free battles every time. I deposit 10 dollars, play gemix at 20 cents, and hope to gradually increase. Thats my stance

 

[goatwack]

I think with regards to VS low RTP, it's going to be a hit and miss. You have over 2k games to chose from, and chances are you will inadvertently chose the wrong one. Its like the find the prize under the bowls, the more bowls you have to pick from, your chances drop immensely You could almost say there is a method in their madness with that many games. And I don't care what people say, the more people that play on one game diminishes your chances too. You see it in the 1k free battles every time. I deposit 10 dollars, play gemix at 20 cents, and hope to gradually increase. Thats my stance

It is true, and it's not just at VS either. With so many games to choose from now, and each supplier having a massive back catalogue it would be foolhardy to consistently win on just a couple of their games, eg Immortal Romance for MG & DOA for Netent.

It's worth mixing slots up a bit, I'm guilty of pretty much choosing the same games at low stakes and building up, but never getting anywhere more often than not. Then I'll boot up a game I've never tried before and get 100x off the bat

Yet I do believe the market is flooded with just too many slots, and too many of low quality and low payout potential. This will definitely diminish the pool as less quality shines through...the industry is a bit of a mess at the moment I feel

 

[Deeplay]

It is true, and it's not just at VS either. With so many games to choose from now, and each supplier having a massive back catalogue it would be foolhardy to consistently win on just a couple of their games, eg Immortal Romance for MG & DOA for Netent.

It's worth mixing slots up a bit, I'm guilty of pretty much choosing the same games at low stakes and building up, but never getting anywhere more often than not. Then I'll boot up a game I've never tried before and get 100x off the bat

Yet I do believe the market is flooded with just too many slots, and too many of low quality and low payout potential. This will definitely diminish the pool as less quality shines through...the industry is a bit of a mess at the moment I feel

Agreed its like anyone with basic programming skills wants to get in on the online gaming thing. The choice is ridiculous today. And alot of the releases are truly crap! Dont mean they are bent, just low variance low RTP drivel with little or no chance of winning any thing decent. I am a die hard Video Slots fan but dont care for all the new releases ... as much of what is added is dross. And rare try them out. Like you im guilty of sticking to a limited number of games. Many of which are HV in nature. But these new fangled abominations they can keep. Suppose im an old timer, BDBA IR, TS 2 ....... and maybe with so many games and so many players your odds of hitting could be reduced even though that dont make the game your playing gimped.