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[PMKFRUITPRO]

1.2 million spins in 10 years???

Pfft I was putting that through bonanza every year!!

Part timer.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

1.2 million spins in 10 years???

Pfft I was putting that through bonanza every year!!

Part timer.

I took a break of about four years in the middle of that (and about the same break from CM as well), so for actual active playing years you're actually talking more like six years. (Just checked my archives and yes, I was on a break from April 2014 to April 2018.)

If you average that out you're looking at around 17K spins per month at 3Dice when I'm actively playing, which in honesty sounds about right to me. And remember that up until the last 18 months or so, I was a very regular depositor and player at many other casinos too, it's only in the last 12-18 months I've basically gone exclusively 3Dice as the rest of the online casino landscape has gone to shit.

The 1.2m stats are purely from 3Dice, I'd expect my average monthly spin stats there to be in the region of 20-30K per month or so going forward, as that's the only place I play at now.

 

[pinnit2014]

3 Dice?

Never heard of them till now

 

[mack341]

Also, weather I am a full blown degen or not, Brings me to my play like this, if over a year I make 100 odd 30 to 50 euro deposits and maybe a few times I will get that up to 500 or 600 and on rare occasions over the 1k mark.

This is were my rational thinks, I'm hardly ever gonna get the chance to up my bets and push it too as far it will go.

But every time you reach a certain limit and it is like hitting a brick wall, no matter what game you play or strategy you try, you cannot get past a certain limit. And too me then that is were it pretty obvious Casinos have full control of player accounts.

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

And finally this is what I'm like on a session!

I watched Scarface for the 1st time the other night ...what a film, very violent in places but an enthralling gangster epic.

 

[snorky510238]

I watched Scarface for the 1st time the other night ...what a film, very violent in places but an enthralling gangster epic.

Did BTG feature in that one?

 

[Greigssy]

Other than BTG slots and some Blueprint are there any slots still at full RTP at Videoslots/Mr Vegas?

Loaded up DOA to give a whirl as not played it in a long time, but thought I'd check the RTP.
I was expecting 94% not this, WTF!, where's the justification in reducing the RTP by 6.75%

 

[Jono777]

Is that Mr Vegas?

Videoslots still at 94% which is bad enough, been having my arse kicked at this &age never mind 90! - Disgusting.

 

[pinnit2014]

Other than BTG slots and some Blueprint are there any slots still at full RTP at Videoslots/Mr Vegas?

Loaded up DOA to give a whirl as not played it in a long time, but thought I'd check the RTP.
I was expecting 94% not this, WTF!, where's the justification in reducing the RTP by 6.75%


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Nope - Mr Vegas are all basement level, bar BTG etc on fixed RTP

Wouldn't bother with them - when they first came out they were giving out their random wheels quite often: few 200 quids but now you barely see 25% of what you were seeing.

Sort of like a cheap VS, if that's even possible.

 

[Greigssy]

Nope - Mr Vegas are all basement level, bar BTG etc on fixed RTP

Wouldn't bother with them - when they first came out they were giving out their random wheels quite often: few 200 quids but now you barely see 25% of what you were seeing.

Sort of like a cheap VS, if that's even possible.

I don't think I've had a wheel at Mr Vegas none that I can remember anyway, but you don't see any loyalty anymore at casinos well except maybe some crypto's.

Just found that Push slots are at full RTP on Mr Vegas, although they don't have the full catalogue.

 

[justdoit]

way give money to mr vegas when you got betway bet365 in 96% RTP in 90% of their games RTP is 96% Red tiger games 95%

 

[justdoit]

Other than BTG slots and some Blueprint are there any slots still at full RTP at Videoslots/Mr Vegas?

Loaded up DOA to give a whirl as not played it in a long time, but thought I'd check the RTP.
I was expecting 94% not this, WTF!, where's the justification in reducing the RTP by 6.75%


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if you got bonus offer 100% plus 150 free spins do one cashout will remove your bonus money from 100% than keep bonus from free spins and play with bonus

 

[trancemonkey]

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I really dont want to get involved in this thread, and you'll hate me for saying this, but I'm a game that is as volatile as Bonanza is (in the feature) 45448 games is not really statistically insignificant. That said, assuming it's running at 96%, you are would way down the bottom end of where I would expect the range to be.

Generally, the bigger the max win, the bigger the volatility, the longer it takes to hit the correct RTP.

 

[pinnit2014]

I really dont want to get involved in this thread, and you'll hate me for saying this, but I'm a game that is as volatile as Bonanza is (in the feature) 45448 games is not really statistically insignificant. That said, assuming it's running at 96%, you are would way down the bottom end of where I would expect the range to be.

Generally, the bigger the max win, the bigger the volatility, the longer it takes to hit the correct RTP.

That rules Bonanza out then, so it should therefore be quite quick to hit the correct RTP

 

[kou187]

Hard to explain over text and on a forum, I TOTALLY get where Snorky is coming from and sadly I think it will take an unblinkered seasoned player to see his point also.

^^^ Couldn't agree more with this statement^^^

Call me crazy, i don't care what so ever. There's such things as noticing patterns, But a random result of each click of the mouse button. Is NOT what we are actually dealing with in my opinion. Anyone who's played for years and years knows what i mean. If you don't you haven't played long enough.

Major countries rig elections, And we cant trust our own governments.

Yet were meant to trust some dish cloth servers based in Malta???

Seems a bit naive to me. Just my 2 cents.

 

[snorky510238]

^^^ Couldn't agree more with this statement^^^

Call me crazy, i don't care what so ever. There's such things as noticing patterns, But a random result of each click of the mouse button. Is NOT what we are actually dealing with in my opinion. Anyone who's played for years and years knows what i mean. If you don't you haven't played long enough.

Major countries rig elections, And we cant trust our own governments.

Yet were meant to trust some dish cloth servers based in Malta???

Seems a bit naive to me. Just my 2 cents.

Absolutely spot on, there is no doubt whatsoever that the game has been chronically gimped.

I will be posting my stark contrasts in play, when I have time. The game is unrecognisable from 2 years ago. My stats will show beyond reasonable doubt that something major has changed.

 

[Jono777]

Some more conspiracy (or is it) to add to the mix....

There seems nowadays also to be a "That's enough now lad" balance munching code built into the software.

Deposits are smaller and more infrequent than before but that said, I know what I see before my eyes.

Finally got a DoA sesh which lasted longer than 1/2 hour tonight, £20 in, 5OAK Hat, Boots, Glasses multiple times, feature were spread and not that often but when landing, close enough needing just one wild reel for extra 5 spins most times, one came but the wilds were not laid out well.

Had 4-5 spins at one point to land bottom of one for a W/L didn't come paid 250x, rescued me, next feature 20-30 spins later scatters 1-2-3-4-miss (can't recall how long its been but after 5-6 misses it would land, now well over 20 with this set up and all missed 5th reel)

Basically holding between £30-£40 for ages.

THEN

The code I describe kicked in, nope it did not cool off slowly, and drip feed the balance away, it went STONE COLD DEAD, no wins past reel 3, tease spins vanished no feature, nothing till bust and saw the lot off in less than 45 minutes.

At 9.15pm, I though "I'll be able to go to bed with £20 to play tomorrow" - Did not see this coming, 9p bets and It drank the lot super fast without mercy, calming slightly as I type this but that is one hell of a swing from the nice steady play I had all night, too much of a swing for it not to be written into the software and related to the amount of playtime it allowed me from the start!

Lads, we REALLY need to blow the lid well and truly off this crooked game. Bring back game coding from pre 2018, Awful!

 

[snorky510238]

Yep, here’s another thing that points to non random sessions. Your balance either goes down rapidly or on the odd occasion, goes up quite quickly. Basically it’s down without trace, 95% of the time and up about 5%.

With a truly random game, you should get greater swings and see your balance go up and down, a lot more than you do and the codes have definitely been programmed to make you lose your money much more quickly.

 

[mack341]

I recently had a similar experience on a blueprint 96% megaways game, admittedly I had 3 decent bonuses and a good base game hit prior, but I don't expect a fully random game to go all out feral just because you've won something, literally you have no time to consider the balance, you start telling yourself no it can't just give out the sum total of 2x your stake in 50 spins, 'it's got to turn around and do more, it's random'

 

[trancemonkey]

It's it bad that I just kind of like watching you all get conspiratorial over games while stating "random games should never behave like this".... Of course they can behave like that simply BECAUSE they are random. If I get chance later today, I'll try and show you stats from a game I'm working on... Just a graph of the kind of sessions you see from random games (don't worry, no company secrets, and I obviously can't name the game). You would be very surprised to see that they absolutely can do all the things you think should never be able to happen

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I posted some stats from 3Dice a couple of pages back, you've seen some of the swings I've had there, admittedly in some cases of rather small spin samples such as around 10K, but there was one game running at 110% RTP after nearly 10K spins, and a really low volatility one that was 10% under RTP after the same.

Once in a while my old faithful Enchanted Spins will go absolutely and completely feral, and wipe me out even on my EV+ VIP bonus offers, anyone who didn't know better would swear that 3Dice have switched it to a 'different version' or that it was 'deliberately taking my winnings back'.

But sheesh, you don't have to listen to me, just listen to trancemonkey WHO CODES THESE THINGS FOR A LIVING, or all the stuff from Enzo I linked where he explains how this stuff functions, a guy who literally built his own casino.

Good god almighty like NetEnt are going to waste the time and development effort to deviously pinch Jono's £20 deposit he plays on DoA at 9p spins, when all they need to do is sit back and wait and the inbuilt house edge will do exactly the same thing anyway.

Just stop playing, please, for the sake of everyone's sanity. If you believe that the games are doing this stuff to you then they are cheating you, and to knowingly continue to deposit to play a game that you honestly think has been deliberately coded and changed to specifically cheat you is batshit.

 

[kennygamerboy]

I really dont want to get involved in this thread, and you'll hate me for saying this, but I'm a game that is as volatile as Bonanza is (in the feature) 45448 games is not really statistically insignificant. That said, assuming it's running at 96%, you are would way down the bottom end of where I would expect the range to be.

Generally, the bigger the max win, the bigger the volatility, the longer it takes to hit the correct RTP.

bonanza is NOT volatile!!!! biggest misconception EVER

 

[ChopleyIOM]

bonanza is NOT volatile!!!! biggest misconception EVER

This has been talked about before by @dunover here - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 792 - Casinomeister Forum

And as I summarised here - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 793 - Casinomeister Forum

And this comment I made earlier in the thread - For me personally, and based on comments from other folks, including @dunover for example who has extensive experience with the game, I still think it's more likely that Bonanza just has some sort of evil genius maths profile that is exceptionally good at draining balances, we already know for a fact it has a huge amount of RTP in the base game, and a very rare feature trigger with an unusually high average pay (1/460 @ 96x or something utterly fucking batshit like that? That stat alone is going to generate some really bizarre shit depending on where you land on the curve).

I still think, even after all this time, that some people underestimate what the 1/460 feature frequency can cause to happen, that's a really unusual number.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Record post from chops there.

6 words in before 3 Dice was mentioned.

That’s the longest it’s ever been.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Record post from chops there.

6 words in before 3 Dice was mentioned.

That’s the longest it’s ever been.

Standards have to be maintained!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Do you have a link anywhere where I can sign up?

Ur shilling deserves affiliate revenue.