UKGC to bring in pre deposit KYC checks

I have mentioned this in a conversation with Bryan and Captain Rizk more than 2 years ago:

Someone else doing the basic KYC for all casinos would be a good idea.

I can understand that casinos are afraid to ask docs before the 1st deposit, they want to save time and make the real money play as easy as possible.
But it is very important to do the KYC before. So a way out would be an one-time KYC after which you get a code No or something that you use when you register at any casino.
That should provide all the basic verification to avoid all fraud and underage gambling and exclusion problems we now have.

Someone that could do that would be the license providers, or a secure enough private company. We do trust 1000s of places with our privet info anyway.

SOW though is deff too much and too private to be done by just anybody.
Only license providers or the government should handle that.
 
I have mentioned this in a conversation with Bryan and Captain Rizk more than 2 years ago:

Someone else doing the basic KYC for all casinos would be a good idea.

I can understand that casinos are afraid to ask docs before the 1st deposit, they want to save time and make the real money play as easy as possible.
But it is very important to do the KYC before. So a way out would be an one-time KYC after which you get a code No or something that you use when you register at any casino.
That should provide all the basic verification to avoid all fraud and underage gambling and exclusion problems we now have.

Someone that could do that would be the license providers, or a secure enough private company. We do trust 1000s of places with our privet info anyway.

SOW though is deff too much and too private to be done by just anybody.
Only license providers or the government should handle that.
Imagine, one hub where you pass your documents and details and they verify you, it all runs through them first. Once approved there one is verified everywhere :cool:

It could be called GAMSTART or similar :eek:
 
You might want to ask @KasinoKing. He appears to regularly play at several Rival and RTG casinos, and @ChopleyIOM who will probably, highly recommend 3Dice (who were accredited here, now in the greyzone IIRC, but still a pretty stable outfit)

For the record I should note here that I can play at 3Dice as I'm not actually in the UK, as the Isle of Man is a Crown Dependency of the UK (i.e. not actually part of the UK.) As such I don't get identified as a UK player at 3Dice.

If I VPN myself to a UK IP and go to the 3Dice website, I get the same message as everyone else that as I'm from the UK I'm not allowed to play there.

So as it stands I can legitimately play at 3Dice, and use Neteller to deposit and withdraw. (Something that I believe Neteller block for UK accounts.)
 
For the record I should note here that I can play at 3Dice as I'm not actually in the UK, as the Isle of Man is a Crown Dependency of the UK (i.e. not actually part of the UK.) As such I don't get identified as a UK player at 3Dice.

If I VPN myself to a UK IP and go to the 3Dice website, I get the same message as everyone else that as I'm from the UK I'm not allowed to play there.

So as it stands I can legitimately play at 3Dice, and use Neteller to deposit and withdraw. (Something that I believe Neteller block for UK accounts.)
Always wondered how you played at the place, now I know!..
 
For the record I should note here that I can play at 3Dice as I'm not actually in the UK, as the Isle of Man is a Crown Dependency of the UK (i.e. not actually part of the UK.) As such I don't get identified as a UK player at 3Dice.

If I VPN myself to a UK IP and go to the 3Dice website, I get the same message as everyone else that as I'm from the UK I'm not allowed to play there.

So as it stands I can legitimately play at 3Dice, and use Neteller to deposit and withdraw. (Something that I believe Neteller block for UK accounts.)

Wow - and can you also play at those casinos that take UK players only, like Sky Vegas etc? If so that sounds like the best of both worlds!
 
Yes it works out pretty well in that regard :)

We get hosed on some things though, for example Google classify us 'Rest Of The World' so on an Android device we just get the free version of the Android Store, and we have to VPN to a UK IP to get the full store.

For a while we got a different Netflix selection to the UK as well (less stuff), but they've changed that now at least.

Even tellies can fuck us over, when I got my 4K Samsung earlier this year the apps it populated itself with were 'rest of the world' (i.e. very limited), and you have to put a secret code in during the setup process to get the proper UK list of apps. (No, really.......)

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Confirmed then!!

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The Gambling Commission has today announced new rules which online operators must follow to make gambling safer and fairer. The new rules, which follow an open consultation, will ensure operators verify customers’ age and identity details faster which will benefit consumers. Safer for children Until now, online gambling businesses have been allowed 72 hours to carry out age verification checks.

The operator cannot permit customers to withdraw winnings until age verification has been completed and must return stakes if the person is found to be underage. But to guard against the risk of children gambling, new rules mean operators must verify customer age before the customer can: deposit funds into an accountgamble with the licensee with either their own money or a free bet or bonus. In addition, the Commission is now also insisting that customers must be age verified before they are able to access free-to-play versions of gambling games on licensees’ websites. While free-to-play games are not technically gambling (there is no prize involved), there is no legitimate reason why they should be available to children. Fairer and safer In March 2018 the Commission announced that some online operators were treating customers unfairly by requesting additional identity information when the customer attempted to withdraw winnings. Around 15% of complaints to its contact centre were about licensees not allowing a customer to withdraw funds until they submit certain forms of ID. The new rules require remote licensees to: verify, as a minimum, the name, address and date of birth of a customer before allowing them to gambleask for any additional verification information promptlyinform customers, before they can deposit funds, of the types of identity documents or other information that might be required, the circumstances in which the information might be required, and how it should be supplied to the licenseetake reasonable steps to ensure that information on their customers’ identities remains accurate.

The changes will help operators better prevent harm or detect criminal activity because they have more information about their customers. In addition, the changes will mean that operators cannot demand that customers submit ID as a condition of cashing out, if they could have asked for that information earlier. Finally, the changes will increase the likelihood that someone will be identified if they attempt to gamble while self-excluded. This applies equally to the operator’s own self-exclusion schemes and the online multi-operator self-exclusion scheme, Gamstop. This is because effective verification by operators will mean that a customer will not be verified, and therefore unable to gamble, until they provide correct details. These details will then be checked against both the operator’s own self-exclusion database and the verified data held by Gamstop.

Neil McArthur, Gambling Commission Chief Executive, said: “These changes will protect children and the vulnerable from gambling-related harm, and reduce the risk of crime linked to gambling. They will also make gambling fairer by helping consumers collect their winnings without unnecessary delay.’’ “Britain’s online gambling market is the largest regulated market in the world and we want to make sure it is the safest and the fairest. Today’s changes follow our review of online gambling and our ongoing widespread regulatory action into the online sector. We will keep using our powers to raise standards for consumers.” Jeremy Wright, Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, said: “These significant changes mean operators must check someone’s age before they gamble, and not after. They rightly add an extra layer of protection for children and young people who attempt to gamble online. By extending strong age verification rules to free-to-play games we are creating a much safer online environment for children, helping to shut down a possible gateway to gambling- related harm.” The new rules come into force on 7 May.

The Gambling Commission will shortly be launching a consultation on plans to make explicit our expectations about how to interact with a customer who may be experiencing gambling-related harm and will be calling for evidence on the use of gambling blocking software. Notes to editors Proposals to strengthen age and identity verification for online gambling response document Summary of key changes to Licence conditions and codes of practice (LCCP)Proposals to strengthen age and identity verification for online gambling consultation documentMore information about how we regulate the gambling industry.
 
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cut and paste which I feel are the main points, that hurt my eyes lol.

The new rules require remote licensees to: verify, as a minimum, the name, address and date of birth of a customer before allowing them to gamble ask for any additional verification information promptly inform customers, before they can deposit funds, of the types of identity documents or other information that might be required,

the circumstances in which the information might be required, and how it should be supplied to the licensee take reasonable steps to ensure that information on their customers’ identities remains accurate. The changes will help operators better prevent harm or detect criminal activity because they have more information about their customers.

In addition, the changes will mean that operators cannot demand that customers submit ID as a condition of cashing out, if they could have asked for that information earlier. Finally, the changes will increase the likelihood that someone will be identified if they attempt to gamble while self-excluded
 
cut and paste which I feel are the main points, that hurt my eyes lol.

The new rules require remote licensees to: verify, as a minimum, the name, address and date of birth of a customer before allowing them to gamble ask for any additional verification information promptly inform customers, before they can deposit funds, of the types of identity documents or other information that might be required,

the circumstances in which the information might be required, and how it should be supplied to the licensee take reasonable steps to ensure that information on their customers’ identities remains accurate. The changes will help operators better prevent harm or detect criminal activity because they have more information about their customers.

In addition, the changes will mean that operators cannot demand that customers submit ID as a condition of cashing out, if they could have asked for that information earlier. Finally, the changes will increase the likelihood that someone will be identified if they attempt to gamble while self-excluded

Yes thanks!!! I copied direct from UKGC site
 
I have suggested that in the past. Not exactly rocket science was it so why did it take so long when it’s an obvious way to negate most problems that arise. Better late than never I suppose.
 
Yes, very basic common sense guidelines that should have always been there to begin with.

I see casinos going overboard with this, and as for innocent younglings not accessing demo games, casinos must not have heard of VPNs, or the general craftiness via whatever device they're currently hooked up to.

Meanwhile in other media, the drive to get youngsters hooked on gambling continues via loot crates and FIFA packs, d'oh!

But it's a great step towards making Britain a fairer and safer place, at least (chortle)
 
I think it's good that casinos will be required to verify players before they can make a deposit. As Harry has been advising (for years): verification first, deposit second.
 
In addition, the changes will mean that operators cannot demand that customers submit ID as a condition of cashing out, if they could have asked for that information earlier.

Obviously UKGC accept some of the casinos they've licensed have been using the old kyc guidance to stall/obstruct withdrawals, it just goes to show how important the wording is used by the ukgc in their guidance, if its meaning is open to debate and not explicit some casinos and biased ADR will use it against the interests of the player.

To me the full logical meaning of the above is 'operators will only be able to make it a condition of cashing out, if they couldn't ask for the ID information earlier'

I hope the ADR's apply this rule strictly and not accept any old excuse. :rolleyes: :confused:
 
Obviously UKGC accept some of the casinos they've licensed have been using the old kyc guidance to stall/obstruct withdrawals, it just goes to show how important the wording is used by the ukgc in their guidance, if its meaning is open to debate and not explicit some casinos and biased ADR will use it against the interests of the player.

To me the full logical meaning of the above is 'operators will only be able to make it a condition of cashing out, if they couldn't ask for the ID information earlier'

I hope the ADR's apply this rule strictly and not accept any old excuse. :rolleyes: :confused:

Have to agree. Will need to see the wording on the LCCP to be sure.
 

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