UK player done with regulated casinos. How to move to unregulated play?

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You can always go landbased. But with the majority of people or players here they always have the biggest excuses not to go landbased. Yes tad lower RTP's varying from 85% up to 92% but if your lucky enough you can leave the place with hard cash in your hands.

Online is an isolating experience.

What sounds like "isolation" to one person is "comfort" to another. I dont feel convenient to visit landbased. That´s simply a personal opinion for each of us, i think nothing to excuse.
 

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I've read through this thread and I have a question for the OP.

If you intend to play crypto casinos can I ask how you I tend to purchase crypto and send.to.thr Casino and so withdraw any winnings from your Crypto wallet?

I'm in the UK and you still need to submit your KYC information on the main exchanges such as Coinbase, Kraken, Binance and gate.io, LocalBitcoin and Paxful.

Then you need to submit source of funding and jump through other hoop's when you reach the cap/limit for each exchange - I think coinbase was £500 for level 1 and that is a combined value of deposit and withdrawals (ie deposit and purchase £100 you win £500 you will only be able to withdraw £400 - if that makes sense)

You are also submitting banking information to entities based overseas still.

So you are better off doing with a UK regulated casino and if you do have any serious issues you do have the UK court system to fall back on PLUS the Crypto exchanges are not covered by FCA.
At least when you deposit using a Debit card in the UK on a casino/exchange you do have some cover to get a chargeback if you can prove deposit didn't go through.
Where as if you make a deposit by Crypto to a Casino then just pray you got the right address.

Ive been involved in crypto for 6yrs, lucky enough to have mined 150btc in 2017 and sold them for the high price of £180 - yep £180 big difference between the thousands they've been going for.

I use each of the exchanges listed quite regularly and despite passing/opening all levels I've still faced restrictions depositing and withdrawals both with the exchange and my own banks.
HSBC held £4k on one withdrawal from Kraken at the time of the mtgox crash - 8mths they held that as the banks flagged all exchanges as risk/linked to the crash so I was investigated (oh and when you are investigated by a bank did you know a temporary marker is added to SIRA, CIFAS and National Hunter? Your basically marked as a fraudster so good luck with mortgage, insurance or even employment when them things are on)

One bonus if you don't want to use your banking details or card details with crypto is both Paxful and LocalBitcoin allow you to Trade Gift cards / preloaded Visa & MasterCard's.to get BTC & then you can get paid out straight to a PayPal account after (still.a.risk.of PayPal being blocked)

Now for the past 6mths I've been playing in a Crypto casino using VPN but using my BTC to purchase FUNx tokens - I've not had any issues with withdrawal of the tokens or converting back to BTC & that's been basically £200 to £2k worth if tokens. Thr slot games are a bit shit but I enjoy them - they do have that Aztec Magic megaways though.

I am.also.signed up to other casinos that say there.is no KYC and you don't need a VPN but not been lucky enough to withdraw anything substantial to test that.

When / If you do go the Crypto route still read the t&c's check the minimum deposit amount for each crypto currency and also the important one is if there prices/values are tethered to - most with be USDT in which is approx $0.96 to $1
 

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The following URL is a blog that identifies Crypto and no-account and No-KYC casinos.

The blog details which casinos are available for places that normally have geo blocks.such as UK and US.
It also.explains in great detail the differences in the type of accounts restrictions, currencies required.

*snip*

PLEASE REMEMBER No-KYC and No-account may seem.like a good idea due.to.what hell you've been through BUT they are unregulated and as I said in post above you do have the UK court system to fall back on, with the case in 2021 of Andy Green v Betfred setting the benchmark and it has identified that casinos try to mislead the consumer via the T& C's so.courts are favouring the player (if it gets to court as there has been quite a few settled.before.that stage)
 
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The following URL is a blog that identifies Crypto and no-account and No-KYC casinos.

The blog details which casinos are available for places that normally have geo blocks.such as UK and US.
It also.explains in great detail the differences in the type of accounts restrictions, currencies required.

*snip*

PLEASE REMEMBER No-KYC and No-account may seem.like a good idea due.to.what hell you've been through BUT they are unregulated and as I said in post above you do have the UK court system to fall back on, with the case in 2021 of Andy Green v Betfred setting the benchmark and it has identified that casinos try to mislead the consumer via the T& C's so.courts are favouring the player (if it gets to court as there has been quite a few settled.before.that stage)

No, it's not ok :)

You have placed a direct link to a review site that is grossly incorrect.

For example, the first casino I check, Andromeda, has this in its t&cs

113. Approval of submitted documents takes up to 2-3 (two-three) business days. If the documents were not submitted at once, the Casino might require additional time to process them.
115. Acceptable identification documentation includes, but is not limited to:
  • Photocopy of ID (good quality, front/back, in color);
  • Color photo of the front side of all the credit card(s) used for making deposits at the Casino. The Casino requires only the first 6 (six) and last 4 (four) digits, the expiration date, the card holder's name. The rest can be covered;
  • Photo of the player holding his/her ID close to the face, in good quality and in color;
  • Proof of address (Utility, Medical or Delivery Bill or any official document with the Player’s full name, address, and date, provided it has been issued within the past 3 (three) months).
On top of that - 7 to 10 days for withdrawals

109.All withdrawal payments will be made in 7 (seven) to 10 (ten) business days after approval

So, your site is making inaccurate and ill-advised recommendations.

There is no such thing as a non-kyc casino. Your suggestion and site link is dangerous.

Either you did not check your info, or you just don't care.

@dunover @dionysus @LadyJelena
 
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Mods/admin please delete this post /edit if not allowed.

The following URL is a blog that identifies Crypto and no-account and No-KYC casinos.

The blog details which casinos are available for places that normally have geo blocks.such as UK and US.
It also.explains in great detail the differences in the type of accounts restrictions, currencies required.

*ship*

PLEASE REMEMBER No-KYC and No-account may seem.like a good idea due.to.what hell you've been through BUT they are unregulated and as I said in post above you do have the UK court system to fall back on, with the case in 2021 of Andy Green v Betfred setting the benchmark and it has identified that casinos try to mislead the consumer via the T& C's so.courts are favouring the player (if it gets to court as there has been quite a few settled.before.that stage)
I can just about understand members discussing unlicensed gambling given the current climate in the UK, but do NOT ever post links to sites offering this or encouraging the same. This could tempt people into a whole lot of trouble. Thanks.
 

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Yes, apologies for my scathing post, I should rub my eyes before spouting.

My post should have gone much more like Dunovers and just said it's not ok to post links to other review sites :)

Still, what a shoddy and misleading site that is.
 

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No need to apologise, it's why I opened with the "mods/admin please delete if..."

I guess at 1:30am I should be cut off and shouldn't of followed up with my second post, I was actually trying to be helpful of which I apologise about the link.

As others in this thread had named crypto casinos (of which are more unregulated than regulated) I presumed to was ok.

The blog was last updated 2nd April so I should of spotted that as well.

The first 3 on the list I've played at which did not and has not required any form of KYC process, andromeda was 5th.

The whole thread is requesting access to Casinos where the OP doesn't want to provide documentation, ie no KYC or even something is not something available to the OP in the UK.

The whole point of these verification requests is to prevent fraud - both against the casino but more importantly the person identified in documents/deposit method.

As I said in my first post the whole UK regulations are there for the above specific reason, and regardless if the OP wants to go down the crypto route they are also required to provide Validation documentation to unrestrict the accounts.

Sorry again for the link.
Think I best not post anything after midnight & medication.
 

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Thanks all for the advice so far. I've just realised there is further complication of using Crypto in the UK as I would be liable for Capital Gains tax on winnings above a certain threshold?
No u dont pay Tax you not dealing crypto you gambling with crypto, no one will report you if you hold under £4999 on crypto
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I wouldn't hold your Crypto in an exchange.

I learnt the hard way when mtgox exit scammed.

I'd recommend for BTC either the Blockchain Wallet or an Electrium Wallet.
Blockchain Wallet linked to Blockchain itself so virtually impossible to crash/exit/hacked
Electrium wallets are standalone, install to a folder on pc then back that folder up to a zip / usb. Main file you need to protect is the wallet.dat file.
**Be careful when looking for the Electrium Wallet there are scams about make sure you get it from the Electrium website (electrium.org)
Also make sure the websites URL do start with "Https"

If your looking to use ETH to gamble with then it's Metamask add on for Chrome/firefox or even the Mobile app. Recommend both browser and app then set activity notifications on the app.
 

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Didn't spot that one.
Lunch time at my local was interesting, they had 3 machines bought in by a rep for them to select. So rep and landlord putting coins in & emptying, so he could see the play and the bonuses. RTP was set at 97%.
He selected the machine, they counted and filled new machine, locked everything up and took the two machines back.
Little old Harry who sups half a mild for an hour put 50p in on 25p stake. First press bonus. £100 win didn't hit the repeat, but second press straight back in and £75 cashpot win.
Landlord straight on phone to company - RTP still 97%, Out of order sign placed on machine 🤣🤣
Harry bless him said he can afford to have the heating on when he gets home.
 

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Didn't spot that one.
Lunch time at my local was interesting, they had 3 machines bought in by a rep for them to select. So rep and landlord putting coins in & emptying, so he could see the play and the bonuses. RTP was set at 97%.
He selected the machine, they counted and filled new machine, locked everything up and took the two machines back.
Little old Harry who sups half a mild for an hour put 50p in on 25p stake. First press bonus. £100 win didn't hit the repeat, but second press straight back in and £75 cashpot win.
Landlord straight on phone to company - RTP still 97%, Out of order sign placed on machine 🤣🤣
Harry bless him said he can afford to have the heating on when he gets home.
What, in the middle of May? Where does he live, Kiruna?
 

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Today, temp hasn't been above 14°C and it's been hammering it down all day. That's coming off a mini heatwave the weekend.
Will drop to around 6°C tonight and then tomorrow thunderstorms with temp at 18°
The good old UK and it's bipolar weather.
 

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Why would you even bother going against the Terms and conditions of any casino you signup to? Thats just stupid. If they require you to send in documents, just send it. You can outmask certain "private" details, or hey you can file in a job/working contract with the boss your working for or if it's independent you give 'm your subscription as a independent. Whats so difficult about it?

My casino asked me for bank details too. Sure. Here's the last invoice from the bank to me in original PDF with my name and details on it. And here's a screenshot with the last payment i made using credit card to the casino. A clear Reference number with the payment made. Case closed. Ive submitted docs in the past too to casino's in Malta. Never i can say my details where abused in anway so far. Those places still have a duty, and most of the personal stuff is usually in a digital vault.
Because you may have been signed up to many casinos and these 'new' Ts and Cs and UKGC restrictions,sow or whatever have been implemented during your time at the casino. We have little choice here in the UK now. Personally I am sticking to the large sports betting companies who I also do sports betting with as they,as Dunover mentioned in a recent video,very rarely ask you for personal documents to play there. Again this is screwing the 'little guy' and allowing the big fish to swallow their competition. I have my own views on why this stuff is happening but its a whole political debate and I dont really want to go down that road other than to say that almost everything in the UK now is designed for the big companies to thrive and to kill off any competition to them. I dont believe online gambling is any different.
 

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No u dont pay Tax you not dealing crypto you gambling with crypto, no one will report you if you hold under £4999 on crypto
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I don’t think this is the correct advice for the UK …. If you are buying coins through an exchange you are trading and subject to tax.

For it to be tax free it would have to be classed as spread betting which would have to be a gamble on the price movement . This can only be done through licensed spread betting companies.

This is the same as forex , if you go through a normal CFD broker , it is taxable income .

Going through a spread betting account through a broker would be tax free.
 

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It's only trading if you're holding in anticipation of a price increase. In this case it's simply a medium of exchange to gamble on the casino, with any gambling winnings being tax free as per normal.
 

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That's quite an obvious problem, buying with vouchers, and you can't blame casinos for doing SOW in that case.

BUT, the problem that players are finding is that most of the Malta-bassed casinos are using an arbitrary threshold, some as low as £2000.
This threshold isn't based on a period of time, but on the lifetime of the account, it's also not just on deposits, but the turnover of the account, including withdrawals.
Which is why a lot of players are getting caught at the withdrawal stage, since a largish withdrawal can take them over the threshold.

Therefore, some players who ARE depositing and withdrawing to the same method, Visa for example, who aren't spending excessively. But are making small deposits, weekly or even monthly. Are still falling foul of SOW requests when they get a decent withdrawal. Or when the threshold is reached through deposits, which might be as low as £20 a month over a several years.

That's where the resentment comes from. The Malta-based casinos using a blanket policy, rather than actually assessing the risk first
Exactly my problem with L and L casinos,which I loved to play. Small deposits over the group and then bang SOW invasion stuff after submitting details several times. I will show anything except my bank details,bills,card details,utility statements etc,but I will simply not reveal my banking habits to anybody for so called 'leisure' activities. It's like being strip searched if you visit your local gym for a workout.
 

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I don’t think this is the correct advice for the UK …. If you are buying coins through an exchange you are trading and subject to tax.

For it to be tax free it would have to be classed as spread betting which would have to be a gamble on the price movement . This can only be done through licensed spread betting companies.

This is the same as forex , if you go through a normal CFD broker , it is taxable income .

Going through a spread betting account through a broker would be tax free.
well you not trading Crypto or holding, you simple using as payment
to avoid tax is simple just open 20 wallet keep it under £5k you will be tax free for £100.000 free tax
you can open even more than 20 wallet
 

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You guys should read this in regards of playing on a crypto unregulated casino:
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140k confiscated. User banned with no reason. Nothing he can do about it. Be warned! This is Gamdom again. They dont like winning users.

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You seem desperate to keep people onshore, are you an affiliate?

Again, it comes down to personal freedom of choice and risk assessment. If my idea of entertainment was doing $10 spins on a high variance monster like LD, well, would I be on a Crypto - no way.

For my crappy $100 deposits and 0.40 / 0.60 spins, if anything ever got confiscated I'd personally not so much as blink, walk away and think well, it was great while it lasted.
 
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What, in the middle of May? Where does he live, Kiruna?
You are smart enough to know that old people's body thermostats feel cold a lot more than us *cough cough* 'youngsters.' Although as a non drinker I'd expect Harry to get more from his cash buying his drink from a supermarket instead.
 

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There is no such thing as a non-kyc casino. Your suggestion and site link is dangerous.

Hi I am not saying that it is without risk but they are offshore casinos that never ask for KYC - even when it might show in the T&C - and yes they could hit you with that anytime. But a few places I have played at do not / did not ask for KYC with high better and wd levels.

I have been asked for KYC at 2 places which I wont name. One I refused and just closed account the other I gave very basic info - through vpn
name email and 1 form of ID - this one is a very well known offshore crypto. It passed and I could continued to play. The account was placed into withdraw mode only - I did make a small wd whilst waiting for the process to complete and it was done instantly.

Now of course this is only my experience - and whilst I have had no issues - I am not saying you could not get caught out. And the risk level is always there. But for me wd / dep have gone without issues ever.

The bigger problem is the absolute lack of RG - so its wide open. But for people who can control the gaming - then I suppose it is a possible option based on your own assessment of the risk.

I will return to crypto gaming later this year but only at one place. Oh coinbase booted me out - ) so needing to set up a new system for DEP/WD - dont have time for that now but its all doable.

This is my own view only - and not any recommendation.
 

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