UK player done with regulated casinos. How to move to unregulated play?

justdoit

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Well, video speaks for itself i think. It's proven to have lower RTP's. And it was such a populair brand. Why would it?

More money.
90% of UKGC casinos are on 94% 92% RTP rest of casinos with 96% RTP they will ask you for sow when you win 2k or over
some UKGC casinos even 90% or 88%
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bamberfishcake

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I agree the product is always king. Max RTP or nothing. There are still thousands of games you can play at crypto casinos with max RTP.

Just stay away from Book of Dead and the like. Don't touch alternative models pushed by the likes of Play'n GO.

Pick your product, play smart.

Unfortunately, although the UK currently has the attraction of casinos such as MrQ and Bet365 with decent products, the UKGC are squeezing the fun along with casinos using the rules in ways they shouldn't. Like the O.P. said, the way you play and deposit is now under such scrutiny, it puts players on edge.
 

brianmon

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So hypotheticly, i make money with the selling of weed. We're talking cash. With that cash i'm buying repeated paysafe at most common gas stations. I now start deposit onto my casino account. When i win i hit the withdrawl button. This is where the initial You deposit with method Y you withdrawl with method Y came from. Now i succesfully laundred money online.

That is what this comes down to. Obviously if i'm a contracted employee with a 2000 a month salary you understand that i coud'nt deposit over 80k a year could i ? Unless i'm tapping into for example my savings or some shit. Point being is casino's are mandatory to perform checks. They can get fined and in worst case have their license taken.

for that 5% that appears to cheat i woud'nt risk that, really.
That's quite an obvious problem, buying with vouchers, and you can't blame casinos for doing SOW in that case.

BUT, the problem that players are finding is that most of the Malta-bassed casinos are using an arbitrary threshold, some as low as £2000.
This threshold isn't based on a period of time, but on the lifetime of the account, it's also not just on deposits, but the turnover of the account, including withdrawals.
Which is why a lot of players are getting caught at the withdrawal stage, since a largish withdrawal can take them over the threshold.

Therefore, some players who ARE depositing and withdrawing to the same method, Visa for example, who aren't spending excessively. But are making small deposits, weekly or even monthly. Are still falling foul of SOW requests when they get a decent withdrawal. Or when the threshold is reached through deposits, which might be as low as £20 a month over a several years.

That's where the resentment comes from. The Malta-based casinos using a blanket policy, rather than actually assessing the risk first
 

bamberfishcake

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90% of UKGC casinos are on 94% 92% RTP rest of casinos with 96% RTP they will ask you for sow when you win 2k or over
some UKGC casinos even 90% or 88%
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I've just noticed that is Hacksaw's Dead or a Wild on 88.42% RTP. Jesus, playing that must be like flushing money down the drain.

I love Hacksaw, but if they ever become unavailable at 96% versions, I won't touch them. They are among the most brutal slots out there.
 

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Seems the days of carefree spending one's money on any old slot, in the knowledge they'd generally return something at some point, are long gone, as is default KYC of grainy bank statements.

That's not to say everything was sunshine and rainbows 'back in the day', there was plenty of shite slots about, but a wholesome kind of shite, where bitching about Bonanza was preceded by DOA cheating everyone and their dog....

I'm not averse to crapto casinos being the future, to me it reeks quite a bit of that no-nonsense, e-wallet-ey type of payments, like with bookies, where fast payments rule the roost, minus the rigmarole of knowing your favourite colour and sexual positions 👌

God help the man, woman or person of indeterminable gender however when things go tits-up at one of these cup-o-cocoa clipjoints, as I don't think there'd be much recourse. Not forgetting the 'un-Alamo' security on most crypto wallets, where your money can get swiped before you can say "I think they took my Doge".

Still, good luck to all those wanting to make these their slotting mainstays. We're all counting on you 🙏
 

justdoit

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But that's the point, you can find slots at crypto casinos at max RTP. :)
to me RTP is not problem that much I will play on UKGC on 94% RTP, but If I win like £2000 you get withdraw block right away and ask for sow, on Crypto I won $24000 on DOA2 no one ask anything money on my wallet in 20 sec, I am sick of playing 20p 30p 40p to avoid win over 2k so I can avoid sow, I dont feel safe to share docs with casinos when I dont know company history, most of Malta casinos are own by Russian god know what they do with are SOW docs 😂
 

justdoit

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I've just noticed that is Hacksaw's Dead or a Wild on 88.42% RTP. Jesus, playing that must be like flushing money down the drain.

I love Hacksaw, but if they ever become unavailable at 96% versions, I won't touch them. They are among the most brutal slots out there.
Betway and pokerstars they got in 96% rest all 94% 92%
soon all this 94% RTP casinos will go down to 91% ... RTP not going up only down in UKGC
I love playing on VS they should open Crypto casino with direct visa cashout they will make much more profit on exchange
 
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bamberfishcake

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Betway and pokerstars they got in 96% rest all 94% 92%
soon all this 94% RTP casinos will go down to 91% ... RTP not going up only down in UKGC
I love playing on VS they should open Crypto casino with direct visa cashout they will make much more profit on exchange
Don't forget MrQ, my number one Hacksaw hangout.

Although, they are missing some titles, which is unusual, or their search function doesn't work well enough to find them, and no developer filter on the search facility.
 

justdoit

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Don't forget MrQ, my number one Hacksaw hangout.

Although, they are missing some titles, which is unusual, or their search function doesn't work well enough to find them, and no developer filter on the search facility.
MRQ good RTP but it gets crush all time I see Pokerstars start adding Hacksaw games and Nolimit with max RTP
 

dkwyw

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Thanks all for the advice so far. I've just realised there is further complication of using Crypto in the UK as I would be liable for Capital Gains tax on winnings above a certain threshold?
 

slot_zombie

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I've been doing most of my offshore play on Stake and Betfury, both top notch outfits and max RTP. Never an issue in over 2 years.

Been treated very well and am a fairly high VIP level at Stake, so get generous monthly bonuses and so on. No 10 x 10p free spins in sight.
Also play on some of the accredited casinos on here, who will take anyone with an email address :cheers:

Yes, sometimes it feels a little like an underage drinker sneaking into a bar, but then I remember I'm a middle-aged man and perfectly capable of making my own decisions.

I would just caution two things. Firstly some of the Curacao casinos ARE strict on KYC, so do your homework before signing up anywhere. Also, if you are coming from the UK environment, having autospin, turbo play, bonus buys and so on suddenly available again, can feel a little like being a kid in a sweet shop. I confess to going a bit OTT for a couple of days with all of it, until it became normality again. Not in money terms, but time spent.
 

justdoit

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So hypotheticly, i make money with the selling of weed. We're talking cash. With that cash i'm buying repeated paysafe at most common gas stations. I now start deposit onto my casino account. When i win i hit the withdrawl button. This is where the initial You deposit with method Y you withdrawl with method Y came from. Now i succesfully laundred money online.

That is what this comes down to. Obviously if i'm a contracted employee with a 2000 a month salary you understand that i coud'nt deposit over 80k a year could i ? Unless i'm tapping into for example my savings or some shit. Point being is casino's are mandatory to perform checks. They can get fined and in worst case have their license taken.

for that 5% that appears to cheat i woud'nt risk that, really.
I dont think you will make it till end of the year... you will get arrested 😂 easy fix remove paysafe payment... Casinos they getting greedy now they dont really care much about their costumers
 

dkwyw

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I've been doing most of my offshore play on Stake and Betfury, both top notch outfits and max RTP. Never an issue in over 2 years.

Been treated very well and am a fairly high VIP level at Stake, so get generous monthly bonuses and so on. No 10 x 10p free spins in sight.
Also play on some of the accredited casinos on here, who will take anyone with an email address :cheers:

Yes, sometimes it feels a little like an underage drinker sneaking into a bar, but then I remember I'm a middle-aged man and perfectly capable of making my own decisions.

I would just caution two things. Firstly some of the Curacao casinos ARE strict on KYC, so do your homework before signing up anywhere. Also, if you are coming from the UK environment, having autospin, turbo play, bonus buys and so on suddenly available again, can feel a little like being a kid in a sweet shop. I confess to going a bit OTT for a couple of days with all of it, until it became normality again. Not in money terms, but time spent.
Is this all in Crypto?
 

alcatraz

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Is this all in Crypto?

They are both crypto casinos. Since in my jurisdiction there is the same trouble going on as to yours i understand well what that means.

In germany we are supposed to wait 5 seconds between spins, got to pay some kind of ridiculous tax which in practice means every (single) bet you make will be taxed. RTP on slots is a pure mess, like about 87-90% so it´s unspeakable to play further under this conditions.

However you should understand a bit the ups and downs (volatility) of crypto and how to handle that stuff. If you are new to this you may want to get more information before start to play. Stake is doing a good job so far, at least you will get help there if you need and i can confirm that slots as all other available games got highest rtp. I would recommend to use less volatile crypto´s such as LTC or the like since you will get them faster and mostly cheaper than BTC.

If you like to get some free stuff with stake, you just need to climb up thier vip rank ladder by wager certain amounts of money per level or participate on challenges. Thats all to it. Apart from thier weekly live stream they will not mess around with wager requirements on any type of bonus you get.
 
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dkwyw

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They are both crypto casinos. Since in my jurisdiction there is the same trouble going on as to yours i understand well what that means.

In germany we are supposed to wait 5 seconds between spins, got to pay some kind of ridiculous tax which in practice means every (single) bet you make will be taxed. RTP on slots is a pure mess, like about 87-90% so it´s unspeakable to play further under this conditions.

However you should understand a bit the ups and downs (volatility) of crypto and how to handle that stuff. If you are new to this you may want to get more information before start to play. Stake is doing a good job so far, at least you will get help there if you need and i can confirm that slots as all other available games got highest rtp. I would recommend to use less volatile crypto´s such as LTC or the like since you will get them faster and mostly cheaper than BTC.

If you like to get some free stuff with stake, you just need to climb up thier vip rank ladder by wager certain amounts of money per level or participate on challenges. Thats all to it. Apart from thier weekly live stream they will not mess around with wager requirements on any type of bonus you get.
Thanks for the info. I'm not even bothered by bonuses, I just want to be able to play without interruption.
 

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Each crypto offshore I have played at - I had exactly 0 issues. Usually cashouts instantly back to your crypto wallet. But ... there is NO safety net! So if you are a problem gambler because the ones I played at do not run KYC in any in-depth way and one none at all then it could get messy. And things such as SE becomes a mute point.

All games are open (depending on what country you set your vpn to) and bonus buys turbo play etc all available. Of course if they wanna screw you by not paying out they can and there is nothing you could do about it. So always a risk. But the ones I have played at - never had issue with cash outs ever. And the bonus structure on some is like the UK Based casinos from yesteryear - in some cases even better.

I wont name the places I played at - but none of them gave me any issues. Dangerous though as no DL / no RG and its wide open.

Coinbase did shut my account down as they tracked me doing gambling transactions but I had no large amount in there with them and they let me withdraw the few quid that was left before kicking me out forever. Blockchain are decent - and do instant transfers back to your bank. But again bit of shady area when it comes to if they allow gaming transactions or not. It depends what region you are in.

They are legit cryptos out there - who are giving everything that UK players can not get now. Its just no real licence of value and of course the risk always lurks if they suddenly wanna pull the plug on you. I would not wanna win big offshore but have done cashouts of 4 / 5 and 6k in one shot without any issues and each time was in my wallet within around 2 minutes and into my bank within around 2 hours after that.

Personal choice but If I am to gamble it would be offshore and never ever in any UKGC licenced casino.
 

Jeroensgambling

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With stake casino you will have no limits. You can play whatever and however you like.

And play like the douchebag streamers with their 1250$ bets a spin?

Why is no legal licenced casino offering such stakes in the first place?

The highest bonus buy i could do is 10k, and on hand of midas even up to 30k with the "5 feature set" buy.

I'd avoid playing at crypto. There must be a proper alternative and esp for in the UK. I dont see fella's like rocknrollah hopping onto the crypto offshore casino bandwagon.
 

alcatraz

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I'd avoid playing at crypto. There must be a proper alternative and esp for in the UK. I dont see fella's like rocknrollah hopping onto the crypto offshore casino bandwagon.

Streamers are a whole new topic. I would completely agree with this statement if there were any alternatives. If you knew of any, I'd be all ears.

I have been looking for alternatives a very long time. There are currently none and it looks like there will be none.

In all honesty. I don't care if I play in usd, euro, gbp or tuna-coins. I am no longer interested in european online casinos and as long as these stupid regulatory excesses of our legislators are present, this will not change.
 

Jeroensgambling

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I think you misjudge "european" casino's. The country i'm playing allows auto-spins, bonus buys and more important does'nt impose a bet limit (which means you the game at it's full 125 euro a spin potential if desired).

And best of all they all run at 96.5% to 96.7%.
 

alcatraz

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I think you misjudge "european" casino's. The country i'm playing allows auto-spins, bonus buys and more important does'nt impose a bet limit (which means you the game at it's full 125 euro a spin potential if desired).

And best of all they all run at 96.5% to 96.7%.

Your country may allow it. Lucky you. To mine it isn´t the case. If i mention "european", i dont speak for all countries, only those who are affected by extensive regulatory measures.
 

Jeroensgambling

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You can always go landbased. But with the majority of people or players here they always have the biggest excuses not to go landbased. Yes tad lower RTP's varying from 85% up to 92% but if your lucky enough you can leave the place with hard cash in your hands.

Online is an isolating experience.
 
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