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UK player done with regulated casinos. How to move to unregulated play?

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justdoit said:
Revolut Bank now they taking other crypto as deposit&Withdraw on Ravolut account, I did USDT withdraw not long ago to my revolut account, I try to make deposit from Revolut to casino last week all the BS regulation pop up my account got frozen for 2 hrs lol
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I got asked for sources of funds as welll becous of those rugulations. It's impossible for me to provide them anyway as most are from crypto casinos where all they know about me is random usernames plus I already closed some of those casino accounts.

Revolut is a very handy payments option but those UK regs fucks it up. I'll be closing it down.
 
Yeah, you can receive any crypto to revolut from which they accept, and this is what I was doing - sending crypto casino winnings to Revolut. And now they are asking for - where 56k comes from.

Coinbase doesn't ask about it, but I guess it's just a matter of time.
 
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Guntis said:
Yea it's a good option, similar to having a private crypto wallet. But the problem is that Tesco or Sainsburys won't give you a pack of sausages, bred and milk for digital coins.
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Ha funny you say that because there are a couple of websites I use where you can buy gift cards with crypto. I have bought many Sainsbury's giftcards with bitcoin haha and you just scan them at self checkout, so no hassle. Also bought Tesco ones too and Amazon. Pretty nice websites, never had any issues after like 20 or so purchases
 
SlotGrinder said:
Ha funny you say that because there are a couple of websites I use where you can buy gift cards with crypto. I have bought many Sainsbury's giftcards with bitcoin haha and you just scan them at self checkout, so no hassle. Also bought Tesco ones too and Amazon. Pretty nice websites, never had any issues after like 20 or so purchases
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Hah... i never even thought about it :D, and they have all sorts of such cards.

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SlotGrinder said:
Ha funny you say that because there are a couple of websites I use where you can buy gift cards with crypto. I have bought many Sainsbury's giftcards with bitcoin haha and you just scan them at self checkout, so no hassle. Also bought Tesco ones too and Amazon. Pretty nice websites, never had any issues after like 20 or so purchases
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Which gift card site would you recommend? (If you're allowed to say on here?)
 
I'm finished with UKGC casinos early this month. There's multiple reasons why:

- Source of Wealth checks happening more frequently despite being net positive on casino groups, forcing you to hop casinos and eventually delve into the crap casinos with low RTP slots. Had one a few months ago (MrQ/Lindar Media) retaining my £115 asking for SoW after the withdrawal had been made. I still am yet to receive the funds by the way!

I'm self-employed and pay myself in the form of dividends and understand there's multiple people on here in the same boat. It seems however, the document teams behind a lot of these casinos can't compute this, and request payslips only. I will say though, fair play to a few of the sportsbooks that understood my financial situation and found my documentation to be sufficient (Bet600, Vickers, Fafabet, Starsports were all fine), but some of the bigger casinos... I just found it too big of a hurdle and decided to hop.

To make things worse, starting August 30th customers spending £500 a month will have financial checks.

- Pretty much all UK casinos are progressively reducing their RTP's across the board. There are a few exceptions such as LeoVegas, but even then they have 94% versions PlayNGo slots.

BigTimeGaming started creating lower 94% RTP versions of their new slots such as Panda Money and Fireworks Megaways, but now they're creating low RTP versions of their OLD slots? Like come on BTG, there's not much evidence of you paying anywhere near the declared amount of X stake potential on the 96% versions!

Example of Spicy meatballs at 94.08%, previously 96.57%:

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- Since i've been playing at a crypto casino, it made me remember how useful the autoplay function is. Turbo spins... not so much!

- I do sometimes have long play sessions and along the way I can withdraw and eventually re-deposit later in the day. This is fine providing you have a net deposit limit, but a few casinos still don't use a net deposit system (Netbet, Nyspins/Duelz to name a few). Even with net deposits, SoW requests have been triggered just from depositing and withdrawing frequently, despite being net positive on some sites.

- One important thing... there's no generous promotions for UK customers! There's a massive surge in online gambling within the last few years, and with this demand there's been no reason for UK casinos to have any deposit match bonuses or cashback incentive. Deposit bonuses available now are normally for a small amount, with small max win conversion caps.

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I could go on forever with the negatives with UK casinos, but these are the main highlights. I now am playing at a crypto casino called BC Game, and so far it's been a very smooth experience. There's pretty much every slot provider and game you can think of at the highest RTP, with deposit bonuses that you unlock from wagering over time. They also provide weekly/monthly cashback which is very handy for me as I wager high amounts, as well as daily wheels and quests (Mainly wagering quests). The bonus currency comes in the form of 'BCD', which is essentially acts as USD and can be converted to a large pool of cryptocurrencies for a small fee.

A lot of people are skeptical regarding crypto casinos and I understand. Many associate crypto with criminal activity and money laundering. I personally find using crypto very useful and easy to use.

For casinos, I have been using LTC (Litecoin) for deposits and withdrawals due to the exceptionally low fees and fast transaction speed due to the low amount of confirmations needed. Another important thing is with Cryptocurrencies being volatile assets, I find LTC to fluctuate significantly less than most of the other coins on there, but a bad day for BTC/ETH will affect essentially all other cryptocurrencies. I don't mind holding LTC myself, but I sometimes convert to USDT (Tether) if I have a 4 figure win, as it's stable and pegged to 1 USD. I wouldn't recommend USDT if you're playing with very small amounts due to the larger transaction fees.

I'm very aware of the KYC hurdle some people have faced, which does lead me to my next point... play with small amounts to reduce risk of KYC requests and potentially losing your funds. Another thing is whichever country you decide to 'move to' for your VPN, keep it the same every time you login. There's players like 'The Bandit' who are constantly changing country to have access to different game providers, which is more likely trigger KYC. I'm currently in Ireland, and from what i've found PlayNGo, Microgaming, Novomatic and Gamomat are not allowed in this jurisdiction.

I personally have not encountered any issues with BC so far and will continue to play on their platform. There are many other casinos out there, but it's good to see a large money flow on this site and probably less likely to confiscate winnings to a smaller crypto casino.

I have closed all my UK casino accounts (Except one, with 3 hearts from Lil Devil heartstopper!). Good luck, stay safe.
 
Guntis said:
Yeah, you can receive any crypto to revolut from which they accept, and this is what I was doing - sending crypto casino winnings to Revolut. And now they are asking for - where 56k comes from.

Coinbase doesn't ask about it, but I guess it's just a matter of time.
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I keep most of my casino withdrawals on a Crypto Revolut card, I just pay online with that card online spending, good about Revolut Bank is you close the account and the next day reopen a new account with a new phone number
 
Sirbigwin said:
I'm finished with UKGC casinos early this month. There's multiple reasons why:

- Source of Wealth checks happening more frequently despite being net positive on casino groups, forcing you to hop casinos and eventually delve into the crap casinos with low RTP slots. Had one a few months ago (MrQ/Lindar Media) retaining my £115 asking for SoW after the withdrawal had been made. I still am yet to receive the funds by the way!

I'm self-employed and pay myself in the form of dividends and understand there's multiple people on here in the same boat. It seems however, the document teams behind a lot of these casinos can't compute this, and request payslips only. I will say though, fair play to a few of the sportsbooks that understood my financial situation and found my documentation to be sufficient (Bet600, Vickers, Fafabet, Starsports were all fine), but some of the bigger casinos... I just found it too big of a hurdle and decided to hop.

To make things worse, starting August 30th customers spending £500 a month will have financial checks.

- Pretty much all UK casinos are progressively reducing their RTP's across the board. There are a few exceptions such as LeoVegas, but even then they have 94% versions PlayNGo slots.

BigTimeGaming started creating lower 94% RTP versions of their new slots such as Panda Money and Fireworks Megaways, but now they're creating low RTP versions of their OLD slots? Like come on BTG, there's not much evidence of you paying anywhere near the declared amount of X stake potential on the 96% versions!

Example of Spicy meatballs at 94.08%, previously 96.57%:

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- Since i've been playing at a crypto casino, it made me remember how useful the autoplay function is. Turbo spins... not so much!

- I do sometimes have long play sessions and along the way I can withdraw and eventually re-deposit later in the day. This is fine providing you have a net deposit limit, but a few casinos still don't use a net deposit system (Netbet, Nyspins/Duelz to name a few). Even with net deposits, SoW requests have been triggered just from depositing and withdrawing frequently, despite being net positive on some sites.

- One important thing... there's no generous promotions for UK customers! There's a massive surge in online gambling within the last few years, and with this demand there's been no reason for UK casinos to have any deposit match bonuses or cashback incentive. Deposit bonuses available now are normally for a small amount, with small max win conversion caps.

-------------------

I could go on forever with the negatives with UK casinos, but these are the main highlights. I now am playing at a crypto casino called BC Game, and so far it's been a very smooth experience. There's pretty much every slot provider and game you can think of at the highest RTP, with deposit bonuses that you unlock from wagering over time. They also provide weekly/monthly cashback which is very handy for me as I wager high amounts, as well as daily wheels and quests (Mainly wagering quests). The bonus currency comes in the form of 'BCD', which is essentially acts as USD and can be converted to a large pool of cryptocurrencies for a small fee.

A lot of people are skeptical regarding crypto casinos and I understand. Many associate crypto with criminal activity and money laundering. I personally find using crypto very useful and easy to use.

For casinos, I have been using LTC (Litecoin) for deposits and withdrawals due to the exceptionally low fees and fast transaction speed due to the low amount of confirmations needed. Another important thing is with Cryptocurrencies being volatile assets, I find LTC to fluctuate significantly less than most of the other coins on there, but a bad day for BTC/ETH will affect essentially all other cryptocurrencies. I don't mind holding LTC myself, but I sometimes convert to USDT (Tether) if I have a 4 figure win, as it's stable and pegged to 1 USD. I wouldn't recommend USDT if you're playing with very small amounts due to the larger transaction fees.

I'm very aware of the KYC hurdle some people have faced, which does lead me to my next point... play with small amounts to reduce risk of KYC requests and potentially losing your funds. Another thing is whichever country you decide to 'move to' for your VPN, keep it the same every time you login. There's players like 'The Bandit' who are constantly changing country to have access to different game providers, which is more likely trigger KYC. I'm currently in Ireland, and from what i've found PlayNGo, Microgaming, Novomatic and Gamomat are not allowed in this jurisdiction.

I personally have not encountered any issues with BC so far and will continue to play on their platform. There are many other casinos out there, but it's good to see a large money flow on this site and probably less likely to confiscate winnings to a smaller crypto casino.

I have closed all my UK casino accounts (Except one, with 3 hearts from Lil Devil heartstopper!). Good luck, stay safe.
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I thing only UK casino they don't care much about SOV is Pokerstars
 
Can highly recommended BetPanda after playing there a few weeks. Withdrawals are instant as they don't need confirming by support. 10% weekly cashback is another advantage.

BC Game continues with no issues but they are slow adding new games.
 
ritae said:
Can highly recommended BetPanda after playing there a few weeks. Withdrawals are instant as they don't need confirming by support. 10% weekly cashback is another advantage.

BC Game continues with no issues but they are slow adding new games.
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It's a great site, Betpanda. I love the fact that they make anonymity and no KYC a selling point. They are using a template (or provider) that other Costa Rica casinos use, which inexplicably has low RTP Hacksaws. That's the only flaw.
 
justdoit said:
I keep most of my casino withdrawals on a Crypto Revolut card, I just pay online with that card online spending, good about Revolut Bank is you close the account and the next day reopen a new account with a new phone number
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So i had a pending income source verification for £56k...all done now. It just took me sending them 2 MSGs within an app. :D

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For those who use its service a lot is best to get a paid card for £7.99 a month, it comes with plenty of benefits incl. minimal crypto transaction fees, Nord VPN, no currency exchange fees, and cashback. They pay off the cost in the end.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
I’m beginning to think myself that the pros of playing unlicensed casinos now outweighs the cons for some people.

There will be many UK players feeling the same way as yourself. The more the UKGC alienate the casual gambler, the bigger audience they’re exposing to unlicensed casino play. Everyone but the UKGC seemingly understand this.

Withholding withdrawals will ultimately be the downfall of some casinos in maintaining a UK customer base. Even if the customer jumps through the hoops it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth and many customers simply won't deposit there again. It's such bad business practice I can't fathom it... in many cases there just isn't reason to do it (thinking of the case on here of someone having £20 frozen).
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My wife still has £20 frozen in Fun Casino since I think nearly 2 years now. not withdrawable, unplayable. she will never send her bank account details to anyone that isn't a bank or lawyer.
 
slot_zombie said:
It's a great site, Betpanda. I love the fact that they make anonymity and no KYC a selling point. They are using a template (or provider) that other Costa Rica casinos use, which inexplicably has low RTP Hacksaws. That's the only flaw.
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I just took another look around Betpanda and I’m seeing a lot of Providers with gimped slots. I went through some of the majors and picked their latest releases. The following had their latest release set to 94.x%

- Hacksaw
- NoLimit City
- Blueprint
- Red Tiger
- Print Studios

Just be aware if they’ve recently started transitioning to lower RTP versions. And I only checked new releases. Older catalog slots may be at max.
 
Just woken up by alert on my phone that ETH is down 24%. Logged into coinbase and a quarter of all my casino profits gone lol.

With stock markets on the way down and a lot of uncertainty in crypto, I feel a rough week coming up!
 
Guntis said:
So i had a pending income source verification for £56k...all done now. It just took me sending them 2 MSGs within an app. :D

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For those who use its service a lot is best to get a paid card for £7.99 a month, it comes with plenty of benefits incl. minimal crypto transaction fees, Nord VPN, no currency exchange fees, and cashback. They pay off the cost in the end.
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I use Revolut on BC fiat deposit, you need to verifey the card, you can also use bank deposit on fiat, but withdraw only on Skrill for now, BC they chargering 10% to withdraw on Skrill, bank and card withdraw will get back in October
 
justdoit said:
I use Revolut on BC fiat deposit, you need to verifey the card, you can also use bank deposit on fiat, but withdraw only on Skrill for now, BC they chargering 10% to withdraw on Skrill, bank and card withdraw will get back in October
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I'm thinking of giving up playing at that site for good. Recently, I've lost £2.8k and got €6 in weekly cashback while being at VIP level 42. Yes, they have a monthly cashback too, but it won't make up even 10% altogether. Take All British Casino for comparison; they give a straight 10% cashback on net losses.

Next time, i might try Duelbits. I've got an account there and just saw they've already dressed McGregor up in their casino clothes, lol.

 
Guntis said:
Ah, @justdoit have you tried Solana for payments? It's quicker than Litecoin, almost instant.
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no, on BC I just do fiat I get bonus all time I make deposit no wagering, on Winz all my depsits get aproved 2-3mins, dont need to wait for long.. I have account on other L&L we get nothing, I try to open on AllBritish got verifed but I cant make deposit not sure why, maybe @L&L-Jan can check for me
 
Guntis said:
I'm thinking of giving up playing at that site for good. Recently, I've lost £2.8k and got €6 in weekly cashback while being at VIP level 42. Yes, they have a monthly cashback too, but it won't make up even 10% altogether. Take All British Casino for comparison; they give a straight 10% cashback on net losses.

Next time, i might try Duelbits. I've got an account there and just saw they've already dressed McGregor up in their casino clothes, lol.

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the way BC is moving 100% like Stake casino did, I thing is own by Stake
 
justdoit said:
no, on BC I just do fiat I get bonus all time I make deposit no wagering, on Winz all my depsits get aproved 2-3mins, dont need to wait for long.. I have account on other L&L we get nothing, I try to open on AllBritish got verifed but I cant make deposit not sure why, maybe @L&L-Jan can check for me
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I just did a cashout using Solana to Kraken, and it took about 2 minutes from the casino to arrive. That's quick.

... and from Kraken to a UK bank account it took about 10 minutes.
 
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Just found some interesting stats:

According to the Betting and Gaming Council,
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AI summary:

1. The study found that 1.5 million Britons stake up to £4.3 billion annually on illegal gambling sites and venues.

2. £2.7 billion is bet on illegal online sites, while up to £1.6 billion is staked in underground gambling venues.

3. One in five 18-24 year olds who gamble have used the black market.

4. The illegal market is aggressively targeting young people and problem gamblers.

5. The black market could potentially deprive the UK Treasury of up to £335 million over five years.

6. The Betting and Gaming Council (BGC) argues that balanced regulations and stable taxation are the best defense against the black market.

7. The study suggests that overly strict regulations may drive more people to use unregulated gambling services.

8. The report calls for action to prevent the growth of the illegal gambling market and protect consumers.

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Crypto casinos, non gamstop casinos, fake casinos, etc... that's nothing new. But what are those "underground gambling venues" all about? :D
 
Guntis said:
Just found some interesting stats:

According to the Betting and Gaming Council,
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
.

AI summary:

1. The study found that 1.5 million Britons stake up to £4.3 billion annually on illegal gambling sites and venues.

2. £2.7 billion is bet on illegal online sites, while up to £1.6 billion is staked in underground gambling venues.

3. One in five 18-24 year olds who gamble have used the black market.

4. The illegal market is aggressively targeting young people and problem gamblers.

5. The black market could potentially deprive the UK Treasury of up to £335 million over five years.

6. The Betting and Gaming Council (BGC) argues that balanced regulations and stable taxation are the best defense against the black market.

7. The study suggests that overly strict regulations may drive more people to use unregulated gambling services.

8. The report calls for action to prevent the growth of the illegal gambling market and protect consumers.

---

Crypto casinos, non gamstop casinos, fake casinos, etc... that's nothing new. But what are those "underground gambling venues" all about? :D
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Not surprising, everybody could see what was going to happen with the introduction of such draconian measures as scouring people’s bank transactions….everyone but the UKGC it seems.

It’s what happens when you ditch a more player controlled approach (through education etc) in favour of dictating who can and can’t gamble based on personal wealth and income.

A black market was unnecessarily and mindlessly created.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
Not surprising, everybody could see what was going to happen with the introduction of such draconian measures as scouring people’s bank transactions….everyone but the UKGC it seems.

It’s what happens when you ditch a more player controlled approach (through education etc) in favour of dictating who can and can’t gamble based on personal wealth and income.

A black market was unnecessarily and mindlessly created.
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I don't think the UKGC will revert things. It's just getting worse, even offline. I've seen many times at land-based when casino stuff was talking to people like with kids. Some i know aren't allowed to casinos anymore because they refuse to bring papers.
 
gonzo fonso said:
CASINOWAYS is a great site,it has everything and no stupid restrictions this is the way forward like everything the united kingdom loses and it goes abroad
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At first glance this looks like one of those rogue, completely unlicensed sites (accepting card payments) - as opposed to loosely licensed but honest crypto casinos - why is it a great site? 🥴

ps the first and only two games I looked at on there (Jungle Spirit Megaways and Mystery Reels Megaways) were both running on lowered RTP.
 
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slot_zombie said:
At first glance this looks like one of those rogue, completely unlicensed sites (accepting card payments) - as opposed to loosely licensed but honest crypto casinos - why is it a great site? 🥴

ps the first and only two games I looked at on there (Jungle Spirit Megaways and Mystery Reels Megaways) were both running on lowered RTP.
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I just had a poke around too and it’s immediately apparent that all NoLimit City and NetEnt games are on the 94% RTP range.

I figure that if you are going to risk playing offshore you must at least play somewhere that has their slots at max RTP (or at least the help files state the max RTP). There are many better places to play.
 
slot_zombie said:
At first glance this looks like one of those rogue, completely unlicensed sites (accepting card payments) - as opposed to loosely licensed but honest crypto casinos - why is it a great site? 🥴

ps the first and only two games I looked at on there (Jungle Spirit Megaways and Mystery Reels Megaways) were both running on lowered RTP.
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uk sites have also lowered RTPS i would rather play there than any uk site because you get nothing,at least casinoways gives free spins twice a week and deposit bonus
 
gonzo fonso said:
uk sites have also lowered RTPS i would rather play there than any uk site because you get nothing,at least casinoways gives free spins twice a week and deposit bonus
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This is what I miss a lot,the free spins or £5 or £10 free bonuses here and there. They subsidised a fair amount of the play I used to do and had fun doing. The current regulations in the UK are just to hand the power to the big players online who can afford it and the in person casinos which lost a fair amount to online over the past decade or so. These people and businesses donate a fair amount to political parties and have some pressure over the politicians.
 
william hill bonus drop you may get a few spins yes 1/100 times you may convert to a £10 cashout same with skyvegas its just bait to make you deposit really,i have not played in 3 weeks im just put off with the RTP ive only played at CASINOWAYS on a friday evening you get some playtime and always a chance to convert your money
 

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