UK player done with regulated casinos. How to move to unregulated play?

[Guntis]

Ah another N1 representative who holds a history of not paying out their customers.

Crypto

Their license requires them to figure out of the customer is'nt laundering money or not. If they dont ask questions and they did got caught > huge ass fine waiting for them. In worst case they get their license stripped.

Yes that's true! But like in the online world some of them manage to close their eyes - the same is out there.

P.S just noticed that I missed your N1 representative part while checking from my phone...lol. If I was one I would try to make a few changes because I have my own assumption that N1 has a certain player-unfriendly payout strategy and most of things they reply here is horse shit.

+ my asmptions are not based or random pish!

 

[Waddo]

What have terms and conditions ultimately got to do with things. Everyone knows casino can ask for these things but there is no law that says a customer MUST provide these things and that's the crux. If a person doesn't want to send these documents then they are under zero obligation to do so and, provided there is no actual fraud being committed, the customer (by law) has the right to their winnings. You can pontificate around the issue all you like but that's the long and short of it.

I personally don't have a problem with having to send docs in to confirm and verify my Id when opening an account and thus hopefully being fully verified when ready to make a withdrawal. What does do my head in is when Ive deposited my £20 won a couple of £100 and you have to send every possible bit of Id, receipt of what I've had to eat the night before and god knows what else. Surely a driving license and maybe a bill is more than surfice?! Well it isn't for a lot of casinos. It also does my head in that so many casinos don't care who you are when you deposit but if you win and want to withdraw then that all changes! I actually got my account shut at lv bet because I said the truth that I was a full time carer so don't have an official job - they shut my account, I deposit 10 to 40 a month max that also really annoyed me. Mega casino must have taken over 2 weeks to verify my account after I had my biggest win sat there over 1k guess what I walked with in the end .. 0? My fault of course but let's be honest that's what they want to happen as it's exactly why they do it. You can't ring them you can only chat message them it can take over 2 days for a reply, what would have been nice is exactly what they wanted as I'd already sent everything in, how can a player send in docs when they haven't got a clue what they want. So yes my other annoyance is all these strict rules but where's the strict rules that benefit the actual player?? I'm not talking gambling addiction but maybe all casinos have to be reachable on a phone - imagine that in 2022 being able to speak to someone on a phone!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I personally don't have a problem with having to send docs in to confirm and verify my Id when opening an account and thus hopefully being fully verified when ready to make a withdrawal. What does do my head in is when Ive deposited my £20 won a couple of £100 and you have to send every possible bit of Id, receipt of what I've had to eat the night before and god knows what else. Surely a driving license and maybe a bill is more than surfice?! Well it isn't for a lot of casinos. It also does my head in that so many casinos don't care who you are when you deposit but if you win and want to withdraw then that all changes! I actually got my account shut at lv bet because I said the truth that I was a full time carer so don't have an official job - they shut my account, I deposit 10 to 40 a month max that also really annoyed me. Mega casino must have taken over 2 weeks to verify my account after I had my biggest win sat there over 1k guess what I walked with in the end .. 0? My fault of course but let's be honest that's what they want to happen as it's exactly why they do it. You can't ring them you can only chat message them it can take over 2 days for a reply, what would have been nice is exactly what they wanted as I'd already sent everything in, how can a player send in docs when they haven't got a clue what they want. So yes my other annoyance is all these strict rules but where's the strict rules that benefit the actual player?? I'm not talking gambling addiction but maybe all casinos have to be reachable on a phone - imagine that in 2022 being able to speak to someone on a phone!

That's because the UKGC throw the stink capsules then run away, leaving the player to cop the mess. They apparently won't get involved in individual player complaints and appear to be very slow at addressing the issues that are repeatedly brought up on this forum by beleaguered slots players.

They could end this mess if they were proactive at implementing acts which state the casino MUST either release funds to the player or pass the account on to the relevant authority for further investigation (or else risk being severely fined)...but they seemingly aren't.

When you boil it down there is effectively zilch coming from the UKGC side that is in any way protecting vulnerable players. Removal of auto play and a 2.5 second win display certainly aren't; neither are those stupidly annoying pop ups and session loss reminders. 90% of the things they implement appear to just serve to play to the gallery and are, in reality, about as useful as a cat flap on a submarine.

All the UKGC have done is driven a wedge between the player and casinos (where there was always a level of distrust anyway) and made what was once a fun pastime an increasing chore for many. I'll wager that for many casinos, a UK license will not be worth applying for within the next few years and players will increasingly be driven underground. It's essentially already becoming prohibition of gambling for the less well off and we've seen through history that prohibition very seldom works.

 

[justdoit]

That's because the UKGC throw the stink capsules then run away, leaving the player to cop the mess. They apparently won't get involved in individual player complaints and appear to be very slow at addressing the issues that are repeatedly brought up on this forum by beleaguered slots players.

They could end this mess if they were proactive at implementing acts which state the casino MUST either release funds to the player or pass the account on to the relevant authority for further investigation (or else risk being severely fined)...but they seemingly aren't.

When you boil it down there is effectively zilch coming from the UKGC side that is in any way protecting vulnerable players. Removal of auto play and a 2.5 second win display certainly aren't; neither are those stupidly annoying pop ups and session loss reminders. 90% of the things they implement appear to just serve to play to the gallery and are, in reality, about as useful as a cat flap on a submarine.

All the UKGC have done is driven a wedge between the player and casinos (where there was always a level of distrust anyway) and made what was once a fun pastime an increasing chore for many. I'll wager that for many casinos, a UK license will not be worth applying for within the next few years and players will increasingly be driven underground. It's essentially already becoming prohibition of gambling for the less well off and we've seen through history that prohibition very seldom works.

someone from GOV need to step up and change rules for casinos, or they will lose 3b of tax a year, all tax money will go to some crypto casinos

 

[satchnz]

All reducing max stake will do is slow down losses, but also prevent a player from getting ahead by catching a lucky bonus on a higher stake once the balance allows. What has anyone’s salary/job got to do with whether you hit lucky on a session and can afford to up the bet with the bankroll you’ve built?

Great angle that I hadn’t thought about previously.

I feel we are going to have to live with some sort of deposit limits (although the method for determining this is as contentious as hell). But does it really matter if Joe Spin decides to bet his £500 monthly deposit limit on five £100 spins or 500 £1 spins? Some may say this is different but I say if they are going to limit spend then give the people the freedom to decide how to spend it.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Great angle that I hadn’t thought about previously.

I feel we are going to have to live with some sort of deposit limits (although the method for determining this is as contentious as hell). But does it really matter if Joe Spin decides to bet his £500 monthly deposit limit on five £100 spins or 500 £1 spins? Some may say this is different but I say if they are going to limit spend then give the people the freedom to decide how to spend it.

Exactly.

The limit should be centred around deposit if anything, not the stakes done with that deposit. As I said, if you can afford the deposit then you can afford either 100 20p spins or 2 £10 spins. Makes no odds to affordability.

I'd love to sit down with UKGC and highlight such flaws in their thinking.

 

[justdoit]

Exactly.

The limit should be centred around deposit if anything, not the stakes done with that deposit. As I said, if you can afford the deposit then you can afford either 100 20p spins or 2 £10 spins. Makes no odds to affordability.

I'd love to sit down with UKGC and highlight such flaws in their thinking.

UKGC should deal first with non gamstop casinos they target UK players, when they block all non gamestop start dealing with crypto casinos, making limits on bet or deposit 80% will move to crypto, for now UKGC they not helping they just making more problems, No gamstop and crypto casinos they pay 0 tax in UK, and Gov they dont give shit about it, If I dont pay tax they will jail me right away

 

[pinnit2014]

It's not all the fault of the UKGC etc though - you got the likes of L and L on here who have ridiculous policies regarding SOW etc and that's not coming from the GC - it's from their own, mad, interpretation of what's required. Some will say: oh, they need more guidance but others (me) will think: hey you employ a legal team: have the confidence to stand alongside your own policies etc.

 

[justdoit]

Interesting statements from UKGC about black market casinos

 

[pinnit2014]

Not surprising - if they admit to the 'black' market being a risk, it implies their own policies are failing - so they're never going to admit it's a route players will follow.

Plus, they can do nothing about it.

 

[Reelsoffun]

so they're never going to admit it's a route players will follow.

Plus, they can do nothing about it.

There is, they could give UK players auto spins and bonus buys back LOL like thats ever happening


I have never understood the bonus buy ban, anyone that needed them removed because they lost control with them should NOT be gambling in the first place, so banning the bonus buys would make no difference to them players only spoil it for everyone else.

I bet many players are now actually spending more time and money than before the ban due to wanting to actually see a bonus on any given session and without buys that can take forever esp on some HV monsters!

 

[TimArmstrong]

Interesting statements from UKGC about black market casinos
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Thanks to the fines and money they cashed in they can up resources to come with even more rules. What an absolute shambles of an organisation.

 

[TimArmstrong]

There is, they could give UK players auto spins and bonus buys back LOL like thats ever happening


I have never understood the bonus buy ban, anyone that needed them removed because they lost control with them should NOT be gambling in the first place, so banning the bonus buys would make no difference to them players only spoil it for everyone else.

I bet many players are now actually spending more time and money than before the ban due to wanting to actually see a bonus on any given session and without buys that can take forever esp on some HV monsters!

Exactly that. Manual clicking hoping for a bonus that never comes. Losing more than when buying a bonus. Unbelievable.

 

[slot_zombie]

There is, they could give UK players auto spins and bonus buys back LOL like thats ever happening

No no, UK players are special, and different to players in other countries. We require extra limits

 

[justdoit]

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[yodamaster84]

Some people aren't comfortable with it, it's as simple as that. Which is fair enough, salary and spending habits are often very personal to an individual. Just because you see it as OK it doesn't mean others will share that view...and that's fine because everyone is different and has their own definition of what is acceptable to them.

Then there's the cases where third parties are involved...someone sent you £100 and then the casino wants their bank info too. Being serious here, how many of these third party individuals (especially ones who don't gamble) will willingly hand over bank statements because a casino their friend plays at has requested them?? I can confidently say that I don't know many people who would even entertain that idea...and neither should they because it's ludicrous.

Also FYI I don't own crypto, nor have a crypto wallet and thus won't play at crypto casinos. I'm saying I can see why it's an attractive proposition to some people.

The fact that these threads pop up on the daily should tell you that there is an issue and a lot of people simply do not like the direction this has all veered towards.

If a casino asks me to send in my mate's bank statements I am fooked as my mate sent me 35£ the other day. How can this be acceptable? Do we really need to send other ppls bank statements? That's just ludicrous!

 

[justdoit]

If a casino asks me to send in my mate's bank statements I am fooked as my mate sent me 35£ the other day. How can this be acceptable? Do we really need to send other ppls bank statements? That's just ludicrous!

I have some Just eat refunds if they ask me for SOW I need to call just eat for bank statements

 

[justdoit]

 

[DreamRJ]

Sorry to bring back an old thread - I had some questions.

So say I wanted to play at an unregulated casino. Is there any other deposit/withdraw options that is not crypto that I can use in them? I know I will need to use a VPN because the slots will still geo locate me and block the bonus buys/turbo spins/auto play etc if I did not use a VPN,, I tested that in the past.

So my main question is about deposit and withdraw methods. I have never used crypto and I never want to use crypto so I was curious if there is actually any other deposit/withdraw methods I can use in them?

That is the main reason why I never bothered moving to unregulated and also the risks because they are all mainly Curacao casinos that still allow UK players any other casino that has a Malta or other license will not accept UK players at all.

I am not saying I want to 100% make the move I just want to get info on this aspect.

Thanks

 

[slot_zombie]

My golden rule - if an unregulated casino accepts you as a UK player and allows direct card deposits, 99% it's a scam.

That's direct fiat deposits, as opposed to being able to make a deposit buying crypto with your card via a link on the site.

When I posted the above previously I seem to recall someone chirped up and said there are a couple of good sites that take cards but that it was pretty much a secret or something.

So you have to weigh up if it's worth an afternoon learning how to use crypto, to get back everything that the UKGC took away....

This has held me in good stead in many years of unregulated play - never had a single problem in Curacao or Costa Rica as a result.

 

[DreamRJ]

My golden rule - if an unregulated casino accepts you as a UK player and allows direct card deposits, 99% it's a scam.

That's direct fiat deposits, as opposed to being able to make a deposit buying crypto with your card via a link on the site.

When I posted the above previously I seem to recall someone chirped up and said there are a couple of good sites that take cards but that it was pretty much a secret or something.

So you have to weigh up if it's worth an afternoon learning how to use crypto, to get back everything that the UKGC took away....

This has held me in good stead in many years of unregulated play - never had a single problem in Curacao or Costa Rica as a result.

When you said about that card deposit scam thing, I read that there was casinos that did allow them but the transactions that appeared on your bank statement for the deposits and withdrawals would state random things like shop purchases etc?

Obviously I would never wanna risk using my card in an unregulated casino anyway I would never trust giving them my bank details ever.

But I sent you a PM asking for more info and help bud so thanks

 

[justdoit]

When you said about that card deposit scam thing, I read that there was casinos that did allow them but the transactions that appeared on your bank statement for the deposits and withdrawals would state random things like shop purchases etc?

Obviously I would never wanna risk using my card in an unregulated casino anyway I would never trust giving them my bank details ever.

But I sent you a PM asking for more info and help bud so thanks

that is scam 100% even if they pay your wining they will come up with some stupid rules to avoid paying you

 

[orion]

The premise is that I am Italian.

Actually one of the most used and safe "crypto" casinos is accepting my deposits via Visa or MC.
And all this without charging any extra fee and yes- the transactions are declared as "shop purchases" or such.

From Italy, if I login without VPN I can deposit via cards, but I can't play 99% of games due to geo-restrictions.
If I login thru VPN I can't deposit via cards, but I can play my fav games (all but PP and EGT where I am geo-restricted also using a VPN )

I am not naming the casino but its name is two letters.


...erm... only little problem is that I don't know how it works about withdrawals.
I did about 20 deposits and I never ever been in profit of a single cent.

 

[justdoit]

The premise is that I am Italian.

Actually one of the most used and safe "crypto" casinos is accepting my deposits via Visa or MC.
And all this without charging any extra fee and yes- the transactions are declared as "shop purchases" or such.

From Italy, if I login without VPN I can deposit via cards, but I can't play 99% of games due to geo-restrictions.
If I login thru VPN I can't deposit via cards, but I can play my fav games (all but PP and EGT where I am geo-restricted also using a VPN )

I am not naming the casino but its name is two letters.


...erm... only little problem is that I don't know how it works about withdrawals.
I did about 20 deposits and I never ever been in profit of a single cent.

I did one time card payment some stupid casino for £100, got lucky won £3400 after 10 days they remove 80% of my wining coz some rules first deposit you could only withdraw 20%, then never got paid 20%