Smaller unknown casinos

[luringenersmart]

I have noticed a trend. And i also see this same trend reflected on playerrewivs on AG and other sites where players can rewiev casinos.

Always when i try smaler unknown brands i find trough affiliates the payouts i get on my deposits or the RTP on the session is always horrendous. Im not talking just a fluke of bad luck im talking deposit 100+100 bonus bets 1 a spin and never win even 5 euros.

Then i might think ok that was probably just some sick bad luck try another deposit later and get the same result. And google the casino and find many players with the same experience.

Im talking net ent and microgaming games we are told the RTP is unchangable but when you get 10-20% RTP on all deposits on certain casinos you gotta agree this should not occour??

Only explination i have is they have less traffic, but we are also told that the games are random and this should not matter but im not so sure anymore.

 

[dionysus]

Nope. If the software is legit and not a rip-ff of cloned games, the game rtp is the same no matter which casino you play at - large or small.
You can have a 25% RTP session anywhere. It's why you can also have a 175% session rtp


It's not a guarantee of what you recieve when you sit down and play but what the game returns to the player over an infinite amount of spins.

 

[luringenersmart]

Yes, but i find it weird that this always happens at these kind of sites. And judging by the reviews i see on some of these sites its not just me.

 

[dionysus]

Read enough threads, you'll see it happens at any site - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/excellent-ratings-but-beware.73066/?t=73066

note: im not saying there's validity in the claim in the link, rather, that poor sessions can, and do, happen anywhere

 

[fun4all]

Nope. If the software is legit and not a rip-ff of cloned games, the game rtp is the same no matter which casino you play at - large or small.

I don't mean to nit pick but this is definitely not true. Some software is definitely configurable by the operator. For example IGT games are available with different setting of RTP %s (look in the paytables and you will see a range listed). Also all RTG slots famously can be operator configured to 92.5 95 or 97.5% RTP. There will be others.

 

[dionysus]

I don't mean to nit pick but this is definitely not true. Some software is definitely configurable by the operator. For example IGT games are available with different setting of RTP %s (look in the paytables and you will see a range listed). Also all RTG slots famously can be operator configured to 92.5 95 or 97.5% RTP. There will be others.

Not to nitpick but RTG games are NOT configrable by the operator - they're offered a CHOICE from a small selection of RTP settings at onset by the provider and cannot be tweaked by the casino.
more here> https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-and-rtp-the-official-word.38348/

As to IGT, rtp, you can read more about it heere> https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/igt-slot-rtp-list.48548/

 

[fun4all]

Not to nitpick but RTG games are NOT configrable by the operator - they're offered a CHOICE from a small selection of RTP settings at onset by the provider and cannot be tweaked by the casino.

As to IGT, rtp, you can read more about it heere> https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/igt-slot-rtp-list.48548/

Right but it doesn't change the fact that playing the same legitimate game at two different operators does NOT mean you are getting the same RTP. That is most definitely a false statement.

As your IGT Link showed

we have several math models of the game available that have all been approved. Casinos can choose their math model based on what they want for their customer. This is a standard on the land-based side that we also practice on the Internet.

Frankly I wish what you originally said was true. I think it is true for some operators (Netent etc). I certainly don't like IGT or RTG slots anyway.

Also I wouldn't go being so sure as to state as a fact RGT games are not operator configurable. There have been some insightful posts around the internet in the past that have mysteriously vanished.

 

[dionysus]

Right but it doesn't change the fact that playing the same legitimate game at two different operators does NOT mean you are getting the same RTP. That is most definitely a false statement.

As your IGT Link showed

Players dont receive the same personal rtp at ANY casino; that's where random comes in. My 100 spins at one casino can spit me back a 23% rtp on say DoA and 125% for 100 spins at another
The games theoretical RTP doesnt change
What they receive is the same slot rtp..ie what it theorectically does/can spit out.
In the case of RTG, it's known they have different setting they (the casino) can choose from.

 

[fun4all]

The games theoretical RTP doesnt change

Except it can be different at different casinos, as IGT and RTG show.

I believe NetEnt and Microgaming games are the same RTP everywhere however (not stating as fact but I am 99% certain). The one I am not sure about is Playtech.

 

[dionysus]

There have been some insightful posts around the internet in the past that have mysteriously vanished.

As to the above, well Roswell has aliens in the basement and the towers weren't taken donwn by planes - personally, I go with what the industry experts have laid out v the TF hatters.
But enh, horses for courses.

 

[dionysus]

Except it can be different at different casinos, as IGT and RTG show.

Yes. We've illustrated that. It may change from one RTG to another based on their chosen rtp setting - and once set, that's the games' RTP.
This dosnt apply to say NetEnt or Microgaming.
It doesnt apply either to the OP's hypothesis and traffic.

 

[fun4all]

As to the above, well Roswell has aliens in the basement and the towers weren't taken donwn by planes - personally, I go with what the industry experts have laid out v the TF hatters.
But enh, horses for courses.

I don't think suggesting RTG games *might* be operator configurable is a fair comparison to wild roswell and 9/11 conspiracy theories. I also don't think you can state as a fact that it is not operator configurable.

You have been around a while you do remember the infamous top game thread where it was shown beyond a doubt that that software for one is operator configurable? It is on here, the manager turned blackjack into an even money payout.

 

[dionysus]

I don't think suggesting RTG games *might* be operator configurable is a fair comparison to wild roswell and 9/11 conspiracy theories. I also don't think you can state as a fact that it is not operator configurable.

I can't state as fact the moon isnt made of cheese as I'm not an astronaut and havent been there. I just trust the scientific community at large that it isnt. Same, I'm not an RTG software designer - I go by what trusted operators, software designers and leading industry experts have told me about configurable slots.

 

[fun4all]

I can't state as fact the moon isnt made of cheese as I'm not an astronaut and havent been there. I just trust the scientific community at large that it isnt. Same, I'm not an RTG software designer - I go by what trusted operators, software designers and leading industry experts have told me about configurable slots.

Rival software is shown as operator configurable in this thread https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-rogue-all-evidence-shown-here.37010/?t=37010.

It is a bit naïve to not think there is a chance other software is the same.

 

[dionysus]

Ultimately heere's the thing.
It wouldn't matter if I WERE a casino operator or designer. While that may prove it to ME, it still wouldn't necessarily to you. And if YOU were, it wouldn't to the next guy...and so on and so forth.

Either you trust the guys here and from what we/they know and accept it (and of course, question as necessary) and happily play.
Or go insane and worry and suck all the fun out of online play.

At some point, faith and trust are what gets us through.
If a players cannot accept what is considered 'common knowledge' they really, won't ever be happy and may as well play for fun and pocket their dollars.

ps, in your above link I didnt read all 40 pages - i do see however, the OP himsel f with his 'proofs' was banned

 

[dionysus]

How about we accept - known, trusted casinos using major softwares have fair and set RTP non-configurable by operators.
As to dodgy, fly-by-night casinos with questionable slots software, well, anything is possible, which is why savvy players avoid them with a barge pole.

 

[fun4all]

How about we accept - known, trusted casinos using major softwares have fair and set RTP non-configurable by operators.

I would agree very largely in general although I do not like the fact IGT theortical RTP can vary from operator to operator.

But when it comes to NetEnt and Microgaming, who are by far the largest, most common and most known I would completely agree.