Excellent ratings but beware

[mamoon1940]

Try and play slots at Lucky Red, Bodog, or Intertops. They have excellent ratings, but beware! Bet with small denominations (e.g., $0.25, $0.50, or $075). And soon, after, let's say 500 spins, you will realize that their so-called RNG (Random Number Generator) is really very generous! Now switch to betting $1.00 or higher for the same number of spins (500), and soon you will realize that your winnings compared to your losses is close to 1%. It looks like (and I amy be wrong) that small bets were designed as as a "bait" to make players become "greedy" and to lure them into switching to bigger bets ($1.00+). My advice: If you want to play with the above-noted casinos, always bet small (less than $1.00). Intertops were kind enough to refund all my deposit when I confronted them with these facts, but they closed my account. The other two casinos refused to do so, and also closed my account.

 

[dionysus]

yeah....you'd be wong.
These are accredited casinos. Meaning, your hypothesis probably holds as much water as well...my bladder after a box of beer.

 

[goatwack]

My balance tends to go south when upping bets.

It's technically called 'being a greedy git'

 

[Jono777]

I tend to do better when at higher bets if I don my Superman outfit

 

[dionysus]

I tend to do better when at higher bets if I don my Superman outfit

as the neighbours keep pointing out, posing in front of the bay window wearing a red speedo and tying a bedsheet around your neck is NOT technically a Superman costume, jon

 

[goatwack]

as the neighbours keep pointing out, posing in front of the bay window wearing a red speedo and tying a bedsheet around your neck is NOT technically a Superman costume, jon

It's not the 'Superman' outfit that's the issue here. It's the blonde wig he dons so as to become 'Supergirl' that puts the icing on the cake

 

[lockinlove]

Intertops were kind enough to refund all my deposit when I confronted them with these facts

doubtful

 

[Jono777]

It's not the 'Superman' outfit that's the issue here. It's the blonde wig he dons so as to become 'Supergirl' that puts the icing on the cake

You've obviously driven past my house more than once

 

[jjezebel37]

Try and play slots at Lucky Red, Bodog, or Intertops. They have excellent ratings, but beware! Bet with small denominations (e.g., $0.25, $0.50, or $075). And soon, after, let's say 500 spins, you will realize that their so-called RNG (Random Number Generator) is really very generous! Now switch to betting $1.00 or higher for the same number of spins (500), and soon you will realize that your winnings compared to your losses is close to 1%. It looks like (and I amy be wrong) that small bets were designed as as a "bait" to make players become "greedy" and to lure them into switching to bigger bets ($1.00+). My advice: If you want to play with the above-noted casinos, always bet small (less than $1.00). Intertops were kind enough to refund all my deposit when I confronted them with these facts, but they closed my account. The other two casinos refused to do so, and also closed my account.

hmmmmm?

 

[dionysus]

He's just jealous you have the legs to pull it off

 

[goatwack]

You've obviously driven past my house more than once

Well if you call 'driving' past your house camping in the shrubbery with binoculars waiting for 'JM Supergirl Tuesday', then it's a resounding 'yes'

 

[TNY]

Hi mamoon, there's lots of other sites on the internet that offer conspiracy theories, or worse still, winning theories about playing slots. I think weve all seen them at one time or another. My opinion is you either hang in there and play at accredited casinos as a hobby or give it a miss. Some games have incredible pay outs which will hit unexpectidly, but you need to remember to never gamble more than you can afford and don't expect to win. Not sure what to say about the software glitch, I get it from time to time so just seem to play at places where I don't have the problems.
If that doesn't work try pressing the spin button with your other hand and facing the other way. I've had some luck with that method.

 

[mamoon1940]

Doubtful

doubtful

I can email you their email which relates to the refund.

 

[dionysus]

probably not necessary, but if so consider yourself exceptionally lucky

the fact is, everyone has bad runs, and since the house always has the edge, you'd expect a balance to drain faster by spinning faster or betting larger.

random is random is random end of day

 

[mamoon1940]

probably not necessary, but if so consider yourself exceptionally lucky

the fact is, everyone has bad runs, and since the house always has the edge, you'd expect a balance to drain faster by spinning faster or betting larger.

random is random is random end of day

Not when you do 500 spins with zero winning at the end. The house, as far as slots are concerned and if the software is not tampered with, has an edge of no more than 10%, which means for 500 $1 spins, you expect to get at least $450 at the end of spin # 500. I got zero in three casinos!

 

[dionysus]

except slots dont work that way - rtp is across hundreds of millions/billions of spins
bad runs are what allow for good runs, the above expected rtp

 

[mamoon1940]

except slots dont work that way - rtp is across hundreds of millions/billions of spins
bad runs are what allow for good runs, the above expected rtp

Not true! I know what a losing streak is; it doesn't extend to more than 20 or 30 spins, but to 500? Give me a break.

 

[dionysus]

of course it does and can - try reading a few threads here.
You can 'expect' a bonus round/free spins around once every 250 and 500 spins.
But seeing as you could also get the FS back to back, not seeing a sizeable return or FS in a thousand rounds isnt extraordinary.

You might expect an RTP of 98% from a slot - enough knowing members can attest a return well, well below OFTEN.
It's why we also see those monstrous well beyond hits high above a slots RTP.

Before venting and blaming a casino for your poor luck, use your time instead to do a little research.

 

[dionysus]

by the way, I've flagged Bryan to suggest a more suitable title, like 'poor run at accredited casinos' rather than 'software glitch'

 

[goatwack]

RTP is just a guide, not set in stone. It is estimated over an infinite, ongoing number of spins so no definite figure can be put on it.

Hence, you could get 10 bonus rounds in a hundred spins and your RTP could be through the roof, but this is not the norm. Likewise it can work the other way too but we're much better at accepting good spikes in gameplay and love to bemoan bad runs. You can't put a final number on infinite, it's likely to fluctuate. This is why some casinos will differ on percentages on games, some have 94, others might have 96.

Blame can't be attributed to an individual casino, they're just providers. 500 spins is a minute sample, it's like saying I've travelled 500 feet in space, why haven't I reached Saturn yet

One cannot go into slots play thinking that you're 'owed' a percentage of what you put in, or else there'd be no surprises and every player would raise their bets at opportune times to maximize profits. The whole point of slots is their unpredictability, both good and bad. And most sessions are designed to end in the demise of of one's bankroll anyway, that's the price of randomness I'm afraid!

 

[Jono777]

One cannot go into slots play thinking that you're 'owed' a percentage of what you put in, or else there'd be no surprises and every player would raise their bets at opportune times to maximize profits.

This is a bigger issue/problem than we realise I think.

More than a couple of my mates who like a punt online (slots) I hear them telling me like they just got fleeced by the Pub Fruity in our local, thinking 'If I put enough in it's got to 'give' eventually'

Explained over and over again to the one that it doesn't work like that but in the end I just gave up, pretty much like I'm going to now with regard to convincing the OP.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Not true! I know what a losing streak is; it doesn't extend to more than 20 or 30 spins, but to 500? Give me a break.

of course it does and can - try reading a few threads here.
You can 'expect' a bonus round/free spins around once every 250 and 500 spins.
But seeing as you could also get the FS back to back, not seeing a sizeable return or FS in a thousand rounds isnt extraordinary.

You might expect an RTP of 98% from a slot - enough knowing members can attest a return well, well below OFTEN.
It's why we also see those monstrous well beyond hits high above a slots RTP.

Before venting and blaming a casino for your poor luck, use your time instead to do a little research.

I think what "mamoon1940" is trying to say is that he had 500 losing spins @ 1$ in a row, hence he ended with "0" credits after doing 500 spins. Now that would be surely a software glitch.

Doubtful though that it would happen. You might lose 200-300 on a bad run but certainly not 500 with not a single winning spin.

 

[dionysus]

As he's listed three unrelated properties, strikes me more a winge than glitch

 

[goatwack]

Glitch, who knows. But surely you'd suspect something was amiss after say 100 dead spins in a row?? But 500 absolute dead spins? Surely most players would have switched games instead of watching their balance curl up in a corner to die like that!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Glitch, who knows. But surely you'd suspect something was amiss after say 100 dead spins in a row?? But 500 absolute dead spins? Surely most players would have switched games instead of watching their balance curl up in a corner to die like that!

And he repeated the same feat at 3 different casinos.... what are the odds???

 

[goatwack]

And he repeated the same feat at 3 different casinos.... what are the odds???

Probably about 500-1

 

[maxd]

Thread title changed to better reflect the original content.

 

[EbeeDog]

--Slow Clapping--

You guys/gals did it again! Turned a possibly argumentative and contentious thread into a positive one (with superhero costumes even

As far as OP, I will say that I've fallen prey to the same kind of thinking. The answer is simple man, if you win on lower stakes and lose on higher stakes, Play. On. Lower. Stakes.

Throw all that RNG and % and RTP crap out the window and push the friggin buttons!

 

[mamoon1940]

of course it does and can - try reading a few threads here.
You can 'expect' a bonus round/free spins around once every 250 and 500 spins.
But seeing as you could also get the FS back to back, not seeing a sizeable return or FS in a thousand rounds isnt extraordinary.

You might expect an RTP of 98% from a slot - enough knowing members can attest a return well, well below OFTEN.
It's why we also see those monstrous well beyond hits high above a slots RTP.

Before venting and blaming a casino for your poor luck, use your time instead to do a little research.

You didn't read my post carefully. It's not poor luck. It's my own experience with the three RTG casinos I noted. Let's say the RTP is 98%, as you mentioned, when you make 500 spins with $1 bets, you expect a return of something around $490.00; it could be less or more, but to get a return of ZERO is beyond all probability. A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a thousand or a million times to get your 98% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos.

 

[mamoon1940]

RTP is just a guide, not set in stone. It is estimated over an infinite, ongoing number of spins so no definite figure can be put on it.

Hence, you could get 10 bonus rounds in a hundred spins and your RTP could be through the roof, but this is not the norm. Likewise it can work the other way too but we're much better at accepting good spikes in gameplay and love to bemoan bad runs. You can't put a final number on infinite, it's likely to fluctuate. This is why some casinos will differ on percentages on games, some have 94, others might have 96.

Blame can't be attributed to an individual casino, they're just providers. 500 spins is a minute sample, it's like saying I've travelled 500 feet in space, why haven't I reached Saturn yet

One cannot go into slots play thinking that you're 'owed' a percentage of what you put in, or else there'd be no surprises and every player would raise their bets at opportune times to maximize profits. The whole point of slots is their unpredictability, both good and bad. And most sessions are designed to end in the demise of of one's bankroll anyway, that's the price of randomness I'm afraid!

It's just my own experience with the three RTG casinos I noted. I played online in over 30 online casinos before, and this incident never happened to me before. Let's say the RTP is 95%, when you make 500 spins with $1 bets, you expect a return of something around $490.00 at the end of the 500 spins; it could be less or more, but to get a return of ZERO is beyond all probability. A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a hundred thousand or a million times to get your 95% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos.

 

[goatwack]

You didn't read my post carefully. It's not poor luck. It's my own experience with the three RTG casinos I noted. Let's say the RTP is 98%, as you mentioned, when you make 500 spins with $1 bets, you expect a return of something around $490.00; it could be less or more, but to get a return of ZERO is beyond all probability. A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a thousand or a million times to get your 98% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos.

Sorry to interject, but that's exactly what the current system is. You're basing this on one player's experience, but you're not the only one playing at any one time, there are millions of spins spun(?) daily and it's an ongoing process with a mathematical house edge built in.

Were you to be the sole slots player left on earth and it took you millions of spins to attain 98% you'd be right to feel aggrieved. Yet to put a % on a finite number of spins in a closed session just gives you - on this occasion - a rotten RTP, even if 500 dead spins is possible!

 

[curremon]

"A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a hundred thousand or a million times to get your 95% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos."

Random number generator is exactly designed that way.. House always wins after big enough amount of spins.

edit: goatwack was faster and more detailed with answer

 

[maxd]

... in favor of the house ...

That is pretty much the whole point. And yes, it does take a lot of plays to hit the expected RTP because that's what statistics are: expected results over a large sample. Gambling is not an investment, it is an entertainment wherein you ____may____ win some money. If those basic truths trouble you I'd suggest you may want to be looking for a more satisfying way to spend your money.

 

[mamoon1940]

That is pretty much the whole point. And yes, it does take a lot of plays to hit the expected RTP because that's what statistics are: expected results over a large sample. Gambling is not an investment, it is an entertainment wherein you ____may____ win some money. If those basic truths trouble you I'd suggest you may want to be looking for a more satisfying way to spend your money.

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

 

[Tirilej]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

What in the world are you doing here if you don't want to take advices and learn a bit? Why so stubborn?

You should realize after all these posts that you are wrong and go and read up on how it works. Otherwise I don't see why you're here.
Stay, read, listen, learn, ask...then you can complain about other things instead.

 

[dunover]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

Unfortunately for you buddy they are all correct. You also need to understand the variance of the games you play. I doubt you played any online slot and played 500 spins for a few small wins. Because you lost you psychologically believe you didn't get a fair game.

 

[me_and_ed]

Damn angry Canadians!!

 

[dionysus]

Damn angry Canadians!!

 

[dionysus]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

Knitting I hear is a fine hobby.

 

[goatwack]

Knitting I hear is a fine hobby.

Quite partial to tiddlywinks myself.

I have been known to dabble in croquet too, I've even considered going pro

 

[me_and_ed]

Knitting I hear is a fine hobby.

Quite soothing and no RTP yarns........................oh boooooo

 

[interlog]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

So the no winning spins now turned into some winning spins?

OP: Did you genuinely not get one single win during those 500 spins? I find that incredibly difficult to believe. The worst run I had on a high variance game such as DOA was something like 30+ losing spins on the trot.

 

[The Dude]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

Do not disrespect the moderators. This will not be tolerated at Casinomeister - do it again and see what happens.

 

[theslotsking]

I don't doubt that the casino refunded your funds however it would be unusual. Casino's are unable to adjust individual games as the software provider can only do that. I have encountered trots of good luck and very bad luck at both online and land based casino's. Recently I lost $4k in three hours on one slot at Sydney Casino and had the feature once. Apart from giving it the glare of death I could only blame myself for being that dumb. Losses like you and I experienced hurt but its the nature of pokies/slots. I dont play to get 98%. I play for that big one...

 

[The Dude]

Turns out that this guy was just a sore loser and started threatening charge backs. What a douchebag.

He also claims to be 76 years old. Really?? :rollyeyes: He's acting like he's 12.