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Unless he received a flat fee I'd imagine any sort of royalty percentage would make him a fairly happy camper, even if nominal
 

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Here's a post by myself exposing GameART for being shady and linked to pirated games and rogue casinos: ATTN: Casino Rep - Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots. The only bit I would change would be the last sentence about Full Flush Poker as I don't think now that they were running it. I also know for a fact that Gammix is linked to GameART, and Gammix is infamous for being rogue.
 
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With all due respect your fucking diluted mate “destructive hobby into a successful career” I wonder how many gamblers have become broke ass due to his irresponsible gambling??
Hes not gambling irresponsibly though.

He repeatedly tells viewers they should never gamble at all as they will lose, but if they do they should only deposit what they can afford to lose.

That advice is solid and constantly repeated, if you actually watched his streams you would know that.

Of course many will still go broke, but the same is true for every affiliate.
 

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Ah yes, it figures that it would be with a more unknown software developer as opposed to one of the BTGs or MGs

People forget about GameArt, everyone's been solely focussed on the streamer's integrity when the company in question is about as trustworthy as Nigerian prince Crypto investment
 

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Very shady sorts are behind Gammix, who is linked to GameART, and I would advise Roshtein to try and get out of whatever deal he's done with GameART before some journalist or whatever starts digging into this. Also, I would think that basic morality would apply as well - I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I let a shady company use my name to promote their products.
 
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Heard chip likes to box now. Can do over 3 rounds ha!..

For charity I’d let the bum swing about at me for over 10 rounds

Heard obese chip now does white collar haha!
For charity I’d happily get in the ring and see how long he lasts...

I’d not want a penny, would be comical watching chubs try and throw his arms about..

im easy to find chip btw, also your white collar won’t save you lol
Don't forget the in depth description we're occasionally treated to on his latest goals scored at football last night... He's an all round sportsmen for sure!
 

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Hes not gambling irresponsibly though.

He repeatedly tells viewers they should never gamble at all as they will lose, but if they do they should only deposit what they can afford to lose.

That advice is solid and constantly repeated, if you actually watched his streams you would know that.

Of course many will still go broke, but the same is true for every affiliate.
so £40 a spin is cool with you then lol?
 

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What do you mean cool with me?
You mentioned that you felt roshtein was not gambling irresponsibly

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Hes not gambling irresponsibly though.

He repeatedly tells viewers they should never gamble at all as they will lose, but if they do they should only deposit what they can afford to lose.

That advice is solid and constantly repeated, if you actually watched his streams you would know that."


From the brief torment I subjected myself to (watching his vids to see what all the fuss is about a while back) I see he sits there poncing around, making fake facial expressions and BS OTT reactions at ridiculous bet sizes (£40 was in the one I watched) - how on earth is this responsible!!!

Understand how sensible streaming can promote casinos but c'mon this guy in a word is a TWAT

That is what I meant, do you feel that those bet sizes are cool? - If so maybe when his game proves popular you can make a sequel together :p
 

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With all due respect your fucking diluted mate “destructive hobby into a successful career” I wonder how many gamblers have become broke ass due to his irresponsible gambling??
Did he forced gamblers to bet bigger higher or more then they could afford? No. Perhaps sending out the wrong message that "Everyone" can be like him? Yes. Or that his video's are a representation of what's really going on behind the wheels? Yes.

Perhaps take a look at the casino's, game offerings, and how everything is designed to mouse-trap you in. A money-trap. You get in, play a few times, and it takes this just one big hit, to get you hooked.

I always found it odd when playing on a "new casino" like the sky is the limit. Till you hit withdrawl mate. The problem with a streamer like roshstein is that, he's gotta present more of the same "bullshit" over time. So the wins, bets, acting and all that must become bigger in order for him to keep his audience.

Really the only interest of a streamer is to obtain more signups. And keep 'm hooked. Once there's no wins coming from the channel of roshstein, his audience is gone.
 

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From the brief torment I subjected myself to (watching his vids to see what all the fuss is about a while back) I see he sits there poncing around, making fake facial expressions and BS OTT reactions at ridiculous bet sizes (£40 was in the one I watched) - how on earth is this responsible!!!
If you for example were betting £40 a spin, then it certainly would be cause for concern.

It’s only irresponsible if you can not afford it. His deal with the casino allows him to “abuse bonuses“. Betting high to start with and if it hits, lowering the bet and grinding out the wager by doing a bonus hunt. If he busts the wagering is forfeited and he reloads. If you do the maths, he will make a profit from playing alone.

He is obviously not portraying the reality of gambling since regular players are bound to strict terms and conditions unlike himself. I think streamers should be required to play by the same terms as everyone else and I feel that day is coming.

I’m sure most do think he’s a twat, but a streamers job is primarily to be entertaining. It is a very difficult job which requires a lot of energy, hard work and dedication. It is unfair for someone to be continuously defamed in public when no one is yet to provide any proof of wrong doing.
 

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If you for example were betting £40 a spin, then it certainly would be cause for concern.

It’s only irresponsible if you can not afford it. His deal with the casino allows him to “abuse bonuses“. Betting high to start with and if it hits, lowering the bet and grinding out the wager by doing a bonus hunt. If he busts the wagering is forfeited and he reloads. If you do the maths, he will make a profit from playing alone.

He is obviously not portraying the reality of gambling since regular players are bound to strict terms and conditions unlike himself. I think streamers should be required to play by the same terms as everyone else and I feel that day is coming.

I’m sure most do think he’s a twat, but a streamers job is primarily to be entertaining. It is a very difficult job which requires a lot of energy, hard work and dedication. It is unfair for someone to be continuously defamed in public when no one is yet to provide any proof of wrong doing.
Put yourself above the parapet you get shot at - it's the same for all the other YT'ers.
 

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If you for example were betting £40 a spin, then it certainly would be cause for concern.

It’s only irresponsible if you can not afford it. His deal with the casino allows him to “abuse bonuses“. Betting high to start with and if it hits, lowering the bet and grinding out the wager by doing a bonus hunt. If he busts the wagering is forfeited and he reloads. If you do the maths, he will make a profit from playing alone.

He is obviously not portraying the reality of gambling since regular players are bound to strict terms and conditions unlike himself. I think streamers should be required to play by the same terms as everyone else and I feel that day is coming.

I’m sure most do think he’s a twat, but a streamers job is primarily to be entertaining. It is a very difficult job which requires a lot of energy, hard work and dedication. It is unfair for someone to be continuously defamed in public when no one is yet to provide any proof of wrong doing.
I'd have to disagree with that one. £40 per spin is irresponsible, irrespective of said streamer's income, especially in light of the fact it's being broadcast to an audience that eventually start normalizing those stakes.

Entertaining or not it falls well short of RG and is amoral, nor is it relatable to the target audience, most of which, let's be honest, are either in a financial bind from trying to copy these antics, or very close to it
 

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Does this guy get royalties and if so how much could he expect to receive?
Well the 2 games I was involved with I get royalties for but that was ideas/design and depends on the game's take. This I would guess is a one-off fee for the Roshtein image rights, 75 pence or something. :)

I doubt he would be on royalties due to the fact the game developers/designers get those, but you never know. I'm sure it will go down great with 8 or 9 players, but I don't believe GameArt have a MGA or UKGC license so it will feature predominantly in the grey/unlicensed/rogue market.
 

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I'd have to disagree with that one. £40 per spin is irresponsible, irrespective of said streamer's income, especially in light of the fact it's being broadcast to an audience that eventually start normalizing those stakes.

Entertaining or not it falls well short of RG and is amoral, nor is it relatable to the target audience, most of which, let's be honest, are either in a financial bind from trying to copy these antics, or very close to it
It is basically just slot porn. An unrealistic portrayal for the purpose of entertainment.

I see your point though and perhaps more people are being influenced by this than I realise. I always felt no one would be stupid enough to try and copy but I suppose there will always be some and it could destroy their life.

Perhaps it is best to just ban it altogether from Twitch and YouTube. I think that will happen eventually so more a question of when.
 

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If you for example were betting £40 a spin, then it certainly would be cause for concern.

It’s only irresponsible if you can not afford it. His deal with the casino allows him to “abuse bonuses“. Betting high to start with and if it hits, lowering the bet and grinding out the wager by doing a bonus hunt. If he busts the wagering is forfeited and he reloads. If you do the maths, he will make a profit from playing alone.

He is obviously not portraying the reality of gambling since regular players are bound to strict terms and conditions unlike himself. I think streamers should be required to play by the same terms as everyone else and I feel that day is coming.

I’m sure most do think he’s a twat, but a streamers job is primarily to be entertaining. It is a very difficult job which requires a lot of energy, hard work and dedication. It is unfair for someone to be continuously defamed in public when no one is yet to provide any proof of wrong doing.
Agree, unless you're streaming ;)

Addicts, up and coming addicts and novices wil not see past those bets, regardless of personal finances.

He is an irresponsible, B-movie actor, bottom line!
 

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