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Casinomeister

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If you really are an employee of Casinomeister then you shouldn’t even be creating such threads. You are both competing in the same market and as such this whole thread could be seen as nothing more than an attack to further damage the reputation of one of your competitors...
FYI Dunover is NOT an employee here, but a volunteer to assist in moderating the forum. He was leading the way with the Gambling Analysis Group, and that is his main concern. When he has an opinion about something, he is free to express himself. If he feels that Roshtein acts like a man unhinged, then so be it. If I acted that way, I am sure I would have my fair share of critics.
 
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Casinomeister

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You made some valid comments, but you lost me at this point:
The real reason none of you here like Roshtein is because Casinomeister is a dinosaur and you’re all old as shit. A site that has for too many years rested on its laurels and failed to utilise social media to attract younger member. You are not suppose to like Roshtein in the same way a young person doesn’t enjoy political debates.

You need to ask yourselves, why should anyone even care about @Casinomeister opinion anyway? Where’s the credibility? This is a site that gave Roshtein an award for being “fake fake fake”.
Do your homework. After discussing this with several people, I removed that "award".

We live in a world of entertainment with smartphones, gaming and social media. Who would ever want to come to this forum? It’s become a place for old friends to hang out and members are on first name terms with one another. The whole place feels like it needs a major injection of viagra to bring it back to life.
It's always been a place for friends to hang out. Who the fuck wants to go to a forum where everyone is a bitchy whiney newbie? We have not only casino operators but software developers and players who have been members for decades. You're here so WTF?

As an older generation your job should be to help protect the younger generation from the dangers of gambling and that includes Roshtein himself. It is a valid argument that he might cause harm to both himself and others as they haven’t learnt the lessons you have. But no young person would visit a site like this because there’s nothing fun about it. Someone comes along that dared to have an opinion outside of the hive mind and gets attacked by aggressive posts from a mod.
Don't tell me what my m*&^f*&^ing job is.

As if I haven't done my share in expecting casinos to behave properly and professionally. Take a time machine back to the year 2003 or so. Years before there were any licensing jurisdictions, I made sure that the casinos listed here treated players fairly and to ensure that they took steps to alleviate problem gambling. This was BEFORE the UKGC, Malta, or any other licensing agency was involved with this. I know for a fact that some of these licensors took a page or two from my book to ensure their players would be protected. Some even required that their employees subscribed to my newsletter. So don't come here and start spewing a bunch of nonsense because you have not a clue.

My job is to inform and give you the tools to make smart decisions. My job is not to babysit members like you. In fact, why don't you do us a favor and quit the forum. Your insulting bitchiness is at the level of bootification. Do not insult, badger, or flame any member here. The only person allowed to do this is me. If you don't like it, tough titty, it is what it is.

Any other forum would have banned your account. But I am a mellow man of patience, understanding, and tolerance.

But push me, and you'll be damn sure I shove you back. Capisce? :D
 

goatwack

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Pretty sure it was meant to be some 'insulting' parting shot in the hope of upsetting CM and its folk.

I wouldn't pay it much heed. In fact I've only just stopped laughing now (thought at one point my sides were going to split!)
 

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Getting back to the game itself, I think it sucks hard. I did several (10+) bonus buys on the demo version on Gameart's website and not a single one did I get my bonus buy money back. I don't get how this game's bonus is supposed to be good.
 

TheD

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@Casinomeister I will forever be grateful for the work you done in the early years of online casinos whether you hate me or not. There was a time when becoming an accredited casino actually meant something and every casino wanted to earn your respect and do business with you. I have nothing but good things to say about you from those early years and you deserve all the praise you get.

I called you a dinosaur because it is no longer the noughties and it took businesses maybe 6-12 months to swallow their pride and accept just how much traffic a social media presence can bring to their own website. You chose not to use it and therefore it is perfectly reasonable for someone to reflect on the impact that decision has had 15 years later. It was clearly the wrong decision and your YouTube channel is a good example of that.

You were around for the birth of YouTube, but you treated it like a hobby rather than a valuable business tool that would spread your brand all around the world. In the days before streaming, you were in a position were you could have dominated the search results for gambling related terms and had full creative freedom.

One obvious example for content would have been a monthly talk show were you interviewed key people from inside the industry. With your contacts, there would be no end to guests wanting to come on your show to tell the world what a great casino they are. This would give you an opportunity to grill them a little and show you’re a man who cares about the player and takes no shit. Today you would be a recognised face with tens of millions of views across your channel.

Another example is your PAB service. It is a goldmine of entertainment that just needs converted into the proper medium. Each PAB case could have had its own professionally produced video were you lay out the argument from both player and casino and allow for a debate. Casinos would now need to come on your show to defend themselves and what could be more entertaining than having the player there also to tell their side of the story. As the 3rd party in the debate you could share your own insight and another opportunity to show that you are a true fair play advocate who takes no shit from any online casino.

But you chose to do none of that and as a result the Casinomeister brand has effectively been on lockdown and contained in-house. Outside these walls of Casinomeister, you are an unknown person and therefore have not earned creditability. And I’m sure you are a nice guy, in fact I know you’re a nice guy, but how would a person that stumbles across your website know any of this? People want to see a face and personality. Why are they not right to suspect it is just another generic online casino affiliate that claims to be this and that? Do casinos even still display their awards? I don’t remember the last time I saw one do so if they are there, they must be in the attic gathering dust and out of view.

If you are going to act as judge and jury and publicly convict a major affiliate rival of fraud, then you have to accept that will draw attention to how you conduct business yourself.

If you really are a fair play advocate, then why do you openly allow the casinos to break the very rules of accreditation you created yourself? It seems you are indeed totally fine with casinos breaking terms after all. Of course the difference here is that you would suffer a great financial loss if you were to remove all those casinos and forfeit all future income. Obviously you can’t accept income from a casino that you now deem unfit for accreditation otherwise you lose your credibility.

The fact is, ever since gambling became regulated you’ve lost your power and Casinomeister is becoming obsolete. The world has changed a lot since 1998 and casinos are now on their best behaviour by default. They are so worried about breaking the law that many players now struggle to even willingly hand over their money. The casino demands proof that they are gambling responsibly and of course the best way to do that is ask for bank statements showing a players day-to-day financial activity. When the player looks at their bank statement they are confronted with reality and quickly realise this is damming evidence of irresponsible gambling and they simply leave and find another licensed and regulated casino.

In a world such as this, why does it even matter what Casinomeister believes to be a good or bad casino? They are now properly licensed and regulated businesses yet you list many of them in your grey zone because they refused to partake in your baptism of fire ritual or for some other reason. That doesn’t make them a dishonest company that deserves a warning, it simply says they don’t have time for this shit. More importantly, why are you affiliated with these casinos at all if they do not meet the standards of accreditation? The link in your review is an affiliate one so it seems you are perfectly fine with players signing up to these casinos and making an income from their losses. So again, where is your credibility as a fair play advocate?

Casinomeister in 2020 feels like a billboard for casinos to advertise on. An extremely outdated Initiation process which requires no more than ticking a few boxes and no casino stands a realistic chance of failing. Every casino gets a walk to the billboard were they slap their name on it and now the casino has the official Casinomeister seal of approval. For the rep it’s job done and they fuck off back to their regular duties.

So what is so special about being an accredited casino on Casinomeister? You have no legal power so to me it feels like nothing more than an illusion to give customers the belief that they are somehow better protected if they sign up through your site. A PAB service which could be seen as trying to steer people away from the proper channels laid out to handle such disputes.

Just like the gambling industry, the regulations around social media are stronger than ever and businesses are terrified to even acknowledge the existence of a competitor. Roshtein has never been convicted of a crime yet you created a fucking award calling him a fraud. These are not the actions of a man who is in touch with the modern business world. You could have lost everything you spent the last 2 decades building and been made bankrupt.

You are definitely right that Casinomeister’s forum classes it as a social media platform. You are therefore bound by the same regulations as Facebook, Twitter and all the rest. You simply can not behave as you did and I feel you’ve got lucky here and slipped under the radar of the one too many people that would snap at the opportunity for a pro bono defamation case.

And what a headline it would be that a business which once stood to protect players from the scummy competitive behaviour of online casinos, lost its power, struggled to compete and ultimately lost everything when it resorted to the very behaviour it once stood against. It would certainly send a strong message to all other affiliates that this continuous pursuit to find a final solution to the Roshtein problem will no longer be tolerated.

You should have sold this site the moment you got wind of gambling becoming regulated and enjoyed a happy retirement free from all the stresses of being an online casino affiliate. Without the power you once had, Casinomeister.com is simply resting on its laurels from the good ole days and it seems you are prepared to go down with the ship rather than take on board constructive criticism and force change.

You will certainly not find constructive criticism from the members of this forum or the friends you employ. They all love and praise you and that’s the problem. It makes perfect sense that it would come from an outside source and you are fully within your right to ignore and ban me from your forum. But just maybe there is a lot of sense in what I’m saying and you should take heed of those warnings.

I’ve said everything I need to and I honestly wish you all the best in the future.
 

Mouche12

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... and the insulting bitchiness (wrapped in a thin layer of supposedly well-meant advice) continues...
 

irish-ranger

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@Casinomeister I will forever be grateful for the work you done in the early years of online casinos whether you hate me or not. There was a time when becoming an accredited casino actually meant something and every casino wanted to earn your respect and do business with you. I have nothing but good things to say about you from those early years and you deserve all the praise you get.

I called you a dinosaur because it is no longer the noughties and it took businesses maybe 6-12 months to swallow their pride and accept just how much traffic a social media presence can bring to their own website. You chose not to use it and therefore it is perfectly reasonable for someone to reflect on the impact that decision has had 15 years later. It was clearly the wrong decision and your YouTube channel is a good example of that.

You were around for the birth of YouTube, but you treated it like a hobby rather than a valuable business tool that would spread your brand all around the world. In the days before streaming, you were in a position were you could have dominated the search results for gambling related terms and had full creative freedom.

One obvious example for content would have been a monthly talk show were you interviewed key people from inside the industry. With your contacts, there would be no end to guests wanting to come on your show to tell the world what a great casino they are. This would give you an opportunity to grill them a little and show you’re a man who cares about the player and takes no shit. Today you would be a recognised face with tens of millions of views across your channel.

Another example is your PAB service. It is a goldmine of entertainment that just needs converted into the proper medium. Each PAB case could have had its own professionally produced video were you lay out the argument from both player and casino and allow for a debate. Casinos would now need to come on your show to defend themselves and what could be more entertaining than having the player there also to tell their side of the story. As the 3rd party in the debate you could share your own insight and another opportunity to show that you are a true fair play advocate who takes no shit from any online casino.

But you chose to do none of that and as a result the Casinomeister brand has effectively been on lockdown and contained in-house. Outside these walls of Casinomeister, you are an unknown person and therefore have not earned creditability. And I’m sure you are a nice guy, in fact I know you’re a nice guy, but how would a person that stumbles across your website know any of this? People want to see a face and personality. Why are they not right to suspect it is just another generic online casino affiliate that claims to be this and that? Do casinos even still display their awards? I don’t remember the last time I saw one do so if they are there, they must be in the attic gathering dust and out of view.

If you are going to act as judge and jury and publicly convict a major affiliate rival of fraud, then you have to accept that will draw attention to how you conduct business yourself.

If you really are a fair play advocate, then why do you openly allow the casinos to break the very rules of accreditation you created yourself? It seems you are indeed totally fine with casinos breaking terms after all. Of course the difference here is that you would suffer a great financial loss if you were to remove all those casinos and forfeit all future income. Obviously you can’t accept income from a casino that you now deem unfit for accreditation otherwise you lose your credibility.

The fact is, ever since gambling became regulated you’ve lost your power and Casinomeister is becoming obsolete. The world has changed a lot since 1998 and casinos are now on their best behaviour by default. They are so worried about breaking the law that many players now struggle to even willingly hand over their money. The casino demands proof that they are gambling responsibly and of course the best way to do that is ask for bank statements showing a players day-to-day financial activity. When the player looks at their bank statement they are confronted with reality and quickly realise this is damming evidence of irresponsible gambling and they simply leave and find another licensed and regulated casino.

In a world such as this, why does it even matter what Casinomeister believes to be a good or bad casino? They are now properly licensed and regulated businesses yet you list many of them in your grey zone because they refused to partake in your baptism of fire ritual or for some other reason. That doesn’t make them a dishonest company that deserves a warning, it simply says they don’t have time for this shit. More importantly, why are you affiliated with these casinos at all if they do not meet the standards of accreditation? The link in your review is an affiliate one so it seems you are perfectly fine with players signing up to these casinos and making an income from their losses. So again, where is your credibility as a fair play advocate?

Casinomeister in 2020 feels like a billboard for casinos to advertise on. An extremely outdated Initiation process which requires no more than ticking a few boxes and no casino stands a realistic chance of failing. Every casino gets a walk to the billboard were they slap their name on it and now the casino has the official Casinomeister seal of approval. For the rep it’s job done and they fuck off back to their regular duties.

So what is so special about being an accredited casino on Casinomeister? You have no legal power so to me it feels like nothing more than an illusion to give customers the belief that they are somehow better protected if they sign up through your site. A PAB service which could be seen as trying to steer people away from the proper channels laid out to handle such disputes.

Just like the gambling industry, the regulations around social media are stronger than ever and businesses are terrified to even acknowledge the existence of a competitor. Roshtein has never been convicted of a crime yet you created a fucking award calling him a fraud. These are not the actions of a man who is in touch with the modern business world. You could have lost everything you spent the last 2 decades building and been made bankrupt.

You are definitely right that Casinomeister’s forum classes it as a social media platform. You are therefore bound by the same regulations as Facebook, Twitter and all the rest. You simply can not behave as you did and I feel you’ve got lucky here and slipped under the radar of the one too many people that would snap at the opportunity for a pro bono defamation case.

And what a headline it would be that a business which once stood to protect players from the scummy competitive behaviour of online casinos, lost its power, struggled to compete and ultimately lost everything when it resorted to the very behaviour it once stood against. It would certainly send a strong message to all other affiliates that this continuous pursuit to find a final solution to the Roshtein problem will no longer be tolerated.

You should have sold this site the moment you got wind of gambling becoming regulated and enjoyed a happy retirement free from all the stresses of being an online casino affiliate. Without the power you once had, Casinomeister.com is simply resting on its laurels from the good ole days and it seems you are prepared to go down with the ship rather than take on board constructive criticism and force change.

You will certainly not find constructive criticism from the members of this forum or the friends you employ. They all love and praise you and that’s the problem. It makes perfect sense that it would come from an outside source and you are fully within your right to ignore and ban me from your forum. But just maybe there is a lot of sense in what I’m saying and you should take heed of those warnings.

I’ve said everything I need to and I honestly wish you all the best in the future.
Aye OK Billy bull shitter I near went into a coma reading thon tripe
 

dunover

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The guy is so far out of his depth it's laughable.

Yeah, I can just see it now, the excitement building as we have a Question Time debate on YT about casino x and their latest PAB case, Dan Brown eat your heart out. So he thinks it's a good idea to openly discuss what can be sensitive evidence in public, well the MAFs would like it. I'm sure the casinos would pay staff to appear on YT each time a PAB was resolved. We could hire John Bercow to moderate it as he's out of a job I believe.

The fact is Bryan hasn't once 'slagged' your friend Rotshine anyway, the contentious views are expressed by certain members. He isn't even a 'rival' as you put it, but a bloody streamer, they are 10-a-penny and 99% of them wouldn't have the nous to create or operate a site like CM. You seem to hold the belief that some inexperienced affiliates hold that all other affiliates are rivals. Utter nonsense. They are merely other people eating at the same table and there's enough food for all.

As for social media, FB bans gambling advertising anyway unless by agreement and that's why you chiefly see shills for crap casinos on there. Twitch is now banned for UK affs, Tw@tter will be next and YT is an extremely dodgy basket to place too many eggs in, as at a whim they strike off channels or decide to have an anti-gambling purge.

So CM should have sold the site by now? I'm sure he will regard your free business advice as worth exactly what he paid for it. Maybe he's not solely motivated by money? Maybe he doesn't need to sell it?

Could have been made bankrupt? Funny that, wasn't there bankruptcy paperwork in the Maltese Civil Courts at one time with your pal's name on it, according to some posts I saw a while ago? Or was that nonsense - perhaps you can tell us?

And the final, almost incredible statement - 'aren't all casinos on their best behaviour by default?' Yeah, of course, we never get posters ripped off by the hundreds of scam casinos out there, never have disputes, never see criminal affiliate sites promoting bent casinos - I mean, it's all so sterile and clean now, as pure as freshly driven snow.
 

Davey86

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@Casinomeister I will forever be grateful for the work you done in the early years of online casinos whether you hate me or not. There was a time when becoming an accredited casino actually meant something and every casino wanted to earn your respect and do business with you. I have nothing but good things to say about you from those early years and you deserve all the praise you get.

I called you a dinosaur because it is no longer the noughties and it took businesses maybe 6-12 months to swallow their pride and accept just how much traffic a social media presence can bring to their own website. You chose not to use it and therefore it is perfectly reasonable for someone to reflect on the impact that decision has had 15 years later. It was clearly the wrong decision and your YouTube channel is a good example of that.

You were around for the birth of YouTube, but you treated it like a hobby rather than a valuable business tool that would spread your brand all around the world. In the days before streaming, you were in a position were you could have dominated the search results for gambling related terms and had full creative freedom.

One obvious example for content would have been a monthly talk show were you interviewed key people from inside the industry. With your contacts, there would be no end to guests wanting to come on your show to tell the world what a great casino they are. This would give you an opportunity to grill them a little and show you’re a man who cares about the player and takes no shit. Today you would be a recognised face with tens of millions of views across your channel.

Another example is your PAB service. It is a goldmine of entertainment that just needs converted into the proper medium. Each PAB case could have had its own professionally produced video were you lay out the argument from both player and casino and allow for a debate. Casinos would now need to come on your show to defend themselves and what could be more entertaining than having the player there also to tell their side of the story. As the 3rd party in the debate you could share your own insight and another opportunity to show that you are a true fair play advocate who takes no shit from any online casino.

But you chose to do none of that and as a result the Casinomeister brand has effectively been on lockdown and contained in-house. Outside these walls of Casinomeister, you are an unknown person and therefore have not earned creditability. And I’m sure you are a nice guy, in fact I know you’re a nice guy, but how would a person that stumbles across your website know any of this? People want to see a face and personality. Why are they not right to suspect it is just another generic online casino affiliate that claims to be this and that? Do casinos even still display their awards? I don’t remember the last time I saw one do so if they are there, they must be in the attic gathering dust and out of view.

If you are going to act as judge and jury and publicly convict a major affiliate rival of fraud, then you have to accept that will draw attention to how you conduct business yourself.

If you really are a fair play advocate, then why do you openly allow the casinos to break the very rules of accreditation you created yourself? It seems you are indeed totally fine with casinos breaking terms after all. Of course the difference here is that you would suffer a great financial loss if you were to remove all those casinos and forfeit all future income. Obviously you can’t accept income from a casino that you now deem unfit for accreditation otherwise you lose your credibility.

The fact is, ever since gambling became regulated you’ve lost your power and Casinomeister is becoming obsolete. The world has changed a lot since 1998 and casinos are now on their best behaviour by default. They are so worried about breaking the law that many players now struggle to even willingly hand over their money. The casino demands proof that they are gambling responsibly and of course the best way to do that is ask for bank statements showing a players day-to-day financial activity. When the player looks at their bank statement they are confronted with reality and quickly realise this is damming evidence of irresponsible gambling and they simply leave and find another licensed and regulated casino.

In a world such as this, why does it even matter what Casinomeister believes to be a good or bad casino? They are now properly licensed and regulated businesses yet you list many of them in your grey zone because they refused to partake in your baptism of fire ritual or for some other reason. That doesn’t make them a dishonest company that deserves a warning, it simply says they don’t have time for this shit. More importantly, why are you affiliated with these casinos at all if they do not meet the standards of accreditation? The link in your review is an affiliate one so it seems you are perfectly fine with players signing up to these casinos and making an income from their losses. So again, where is your credibility as a fair play advocate?

Casinomeister in 2020 feels like a billboard for casinos to advertise on. An extremely outdated Initiation process which requires no more than ticking a few boxes and no casino stands a realistic chance of failing. Every casino gets a walk to the billboard were they slap their name on it and now the casino has the official Casinomeister seal of approval. For the rep it’s job done and they fuck off back to their regular duties.

So what is so special about being an accredited casino on Casinomeister? You have no legal power so to me it feels like nothing more than an illusion to give customers the belief that they are somehow better protected if they sign up through your site. A PAB service which could be seen as trying to steer people away from the proper channels laid out to handle such disputes.

Just like the gambling industry, the regulations around social media are stronger than ever and businesses are terrified to even acknowledge the existence of a competitor. Roshtein has never been convicted of a crime yet you created a fucking award calling him a fraud. These are not the actions of a man who is in touch with the modern business world. You could have lost everything you spent the last 2 decades building and been made bankrupt.

You are definitely right that Casinomeister’s forum classes it as a social media platform. You are therefore bound by the same regulations as Facebook, Twitter and all the rest. You simply can not behave as you did and I feel you’ve got lucky here and slipped under the radar of the one too many people that would snap at the opportunity for a pro bono defamation case.

And what a headline it would be that a business which once stood to protect players from the scummy competitive behaviour of online casinos, lost its power, struggled to compete and ultimately lost everything when it resorted to the very behaviour it once stood against. It would certainly send a strong message to all other affiliates that this continuous pursuit to find a final solution to the Roshtein problem will no longer be tolerated.

You should have sold this site the moment you got wind of gambling becoming regulated and enjoyed a happy retirement free from all the stresses of being an online casino affiliate. Without the power you once had, Casinomeister.com is simply resting on its laurels from the good ole days and it seems you are prepared to go down with the ship rather than take on board constructive criticism and force change.

You will certainly not find constructive criticism from the members of this forum or the friends you employ. They all love and praise you and that’s the problem. It makes perfect sense that it would come from an outside source and you are fully within your right to ignore and ban me from your forum. But just maybe there is a lot of sense in what I’m saying and you should take heed of those warnings.

I’ve said everything I need to and I honestly wish you all the best in the future.
Is their anything you’d like to add about ROSH megaways?
 

dunover

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A big wall of text by TheD.

One question for him: what more (if anything) has this Roshtein ever done for the casino industry that Bryan hasn't done.

As to the suggestion to have the PAB process akin to the Jeremy Kyle show, seriously?
Yes, it's easy for a keyboard warrior to take cheap potshots at people via anonymity. As you, me Bryan and all the staff here and many members do actually meet face-to-face in real life, I wonder if this person will have the balls to tell us which site he runs/represents?

Nah, thought not.

P.S. this person may have been here before, the posting style rings a bell as does the free business advice doled out which I saw once before from a poster. Could be wrong, but sounds familiar.
 

dunover

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***yadda yadda yadda***
But just maybe there is a lot of sense in what I’m saying and you should take heed of those warnings.
I’ve said everything I need to and I honestly wish you all the best in the future.
The classic control-freak/passive-aggressive style. Some kind of inferiority thing going on there.

I'll dig out the old Freud texts later. :)
 

TheD

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@dunover . I have a lot of respect for @Casinomeister and I am perfectly fine if he despises and insults me or creates an award calling me a bellend. In many ways he should feel that way and I would expect that. I believe however that my observations are fair as they are not clouded by having an emotional investment in Casinomeister. I don’t want to see any harm come to him and would love to see him grab this site by the balls and take it kicking and screaming into the modern world.

You on the other hand are someone I do not respect. You are incredibly ignorant and believe shouting an opinion makes It a fact. Your posts literally smell like high blood pressure and coffee.

You are not qualified for a job in social media and are therefore uneducated in what may or may not be considered libellous. Win or lose or no matter how it plays out, it can all be very expensive and that’s why you simply don’t take any chances at all. I see you wrecklessly gambling with someone else’s business as you are unable to control your hatred and anger and behave professionally as a “staff” member should. It makes me question the influence you are having over Bryan’s decision making behind the scenes and perhaps you even played a roll in the creation of that award.

@ChopleyIOM I‘ve become a fan of your channel as I enjoy listening to people talk passionately about their hobbies. You were the only person who took time to do some research on the subject and I was a little disappointed that you settled on a neutral outcome whereby you agreed that Roshtein wasn‘t using fake money, but instead it was kinda like “fake“ money. Its understandable why you would feel pressured into that given the backlash you would receive here.

I am curious to know however the identity of the “credible anonymous source” that contacted you to out Roshtein as being fake. It is highly suspicious as to why this person wanted to remain anonymous. You then show the message with the source hidden and it appears to be nothing more than an angry rant from someone who clearly hates Roshtein with a passion. You use profanity openly on your channel yet felt the need to censor the language from this source as you clearly identified it as libellous and did not want that on your channel.

Is it possible the ”credible source“ is none other than @dunover himself? Perhaps even from a PM on this site? You have every right not to disclose who this source is, but by failing to do so it looks highly suspicious and It’s more than fair for people to speculate who this person really is and what motivated them to try and convince you of Roshteins guilt.

And no I’m not Roshtein or someone who works in the gambling industry. I wouldn’t even describe myself as a fan of Roshtein. All I see is a talented young man who is successful at what he does. It doesn’t matter if you love or hate him and you guys have every right to find him irritating. His target audience would be 25 and under which is why I mentioned the average age of forum members to draw that comparison. I’m sure the Teletubbies made hundreds of millions, but I doubt any of you were sitting down with a cold beer to watch the latest episodes—maybe a joint though?

Roshtein isn’t meant for you guys. He appeals to younger people because they can relate to him were as you guys are in a different place altogether. He can talk about sexual experiences and relationships which dominates most young people’s minds. They don’t want to hear about @dunovers annual hand job from the wife. That is something you would think about during an awkward medical examination were despite taking all precautionary measures to exhaust the area, you still find the need to fill your head with unpleasant thoughts to prevent an involuntary erection.

I think it’s best to simply look at successful/unsuccessful people and study what they are doing right/wrong and learn from that. @dunover is someone who would yell at and destroy the Ikea instructions rather than accept he failed to follow them correctly.
 

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@dunover . I have a lot of respect for @Casinomeister and I am perfectly fine if he despises and insults me or creates an award calling me a bellend. In many ways he should feel that way and I would expect that. I believe however that my observations are fair as they are not clouded by having an emotional investment in Casinomeister. I don’t want to see any harm come to him and would love to see him grab this site by the balls and take it kicking and screaming into the modern world.

You on the other hand are someone I do not respect. You are incredibly ignorant and believe shouting an opinion makes It a fact. Your posts literally smell like high blood pressure and coffee.

You are not qualified for a job in social media and are therefore uneducated in what may or may not be considered libellous. Win or lose or no matter how it plays out, it can all be very expensive and that’s why you simply don’t take any chances at all. I see you wrecklessly gambling with someone else’s business as you are unable to control your hatred and anger and behave professionally as a “staff” member should. It makes me question the influence you are having over Bryan’s decision making behind the scenes and perhaps you even played a roll in the creation of that award.

@ChopleyIOM I‘ve become a fan of your channel as I enjoy listening to people talk passionately about their hobbies. You were the only person who took time to do some research on the subject and I was a little disappointed that you settled on a neutral outcome whereby you agreed that Roshtein wasn‘t using fake money, but instead it was kinda like “fake“ money. Its understandable why you would feel pressured into that given the backlash you would receive here.

I am curious to know however the identity of the “credible anonymous source” that contacted you to out Roshtein as being fake. It is highly suspicious as to why this person wanted to remain anonymous. You then show the message with the source hidden and it appears to be nothing more than an angry rant from someone who clearly hates Roshtein with a passion. You use profanity openly on your channel yet felt the need to censor the language from this source as you clearly identified it as libellous and did not want that on your channel.

Is it possible the ”credible source“ is none other than @dunover himself? Perhaps even from a PM on this site? You have every right not to disclose who this source is, but by failing to do so it looks highly suspicious and It’s more than fair for people to speculate who this person really is and what motivated them to try and convince you of Roshteins guilt.

And no I’m not Roshtein or someone who works in the gambling industry. I wouldn’t even describe myself as a fan of Roshtein. All I see is a talented young man who is successful at what he does. It doesn’t matter if you love or hate him and you guys have every right to find him irritating. His target audience would be 25 and under which is why I mentioned the average age of forum members to draw that comparison. I’m sure the Teletubbies made hundreds of millions, but I doubt any of you were sitting down with a cold beer to watch the latest episodes—maybe a joint though?

Roshtein isn’t meant for you guys. He appeals to younger people because they can relate to him were as you guys are in a different place altogether. He can talk about sexual experiences and relationships which dominates most young people’s minds. They don’t want to hear about @dunovers annual hand job from the wife. That is something you would think about during an awkward medical examination were despite taking all precautionary measures to exhaust the area, you still find the need to fill your head with unpleasant thoughts to prevent an involuntary erection.

I think it’s best to simply look at successful/unsuccessful people and study what they are doing right/wrong and learn from that. @dunover is someone who would yell at and destroy the Ikea instructions rather than accept he failed to follow them correctly.
Could you not personal message the people you seem to have an agenda with? It’s just your rants are derailing this thread! Did it Take you 3 or 4 days to write down on a piece of paper with your crayons?
 

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Could you not personal message the people you seem to have an agenda with? It’s just your rants are derailing this thread! Did it Take you 3 or 4 days to write down on a piece of paper with your crayons?
I’m sorry for derailing with my agenda of defending someone who has been falsely accused of a crime and making an attempt to warn those people of the risks.

People should ask questions about those making such accusations as it’s really just a question of credibility.

If I saw you or anyone else here being falsely accused I would also make an effort to defend you if the evidence presented shows you’re innocent. In a scenario such as that, you would be glad to have someone like me defend you and question the credibility of the sources making those allegations.
 

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Could you not personal message the people you seem to have an agenda with? It’s just your rants are derailing this thread! Did it Take you 3 or 4 days to write down on a piece of paper with your crayons?
Bit harsh - i admire the bitterness, wrapped in a sandwich of passive aggressiveness.

More importantly though is how they're misusing the Bonanza D for an agenda laden rant - some things are just too sacred.
 

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