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Laurie: I think Rob's advice re your bank accounts was excellent. Don't beat yourself up over your past actions, you've stepped up to the plate now.

And I would not worry about your personal safety, it's far too out in the open for that.

Could someone point to to Mystic's complaint about these crooks please? Thanks.

And I agree with Rusty
Nashvegas, please reconsider, your posts would be much missed here.

Nash, maybe just limit yourself to withdrawing from this thread if you feel that necessary.
 
Laurie: I think Rob's advice re your bank accounts was excellent. Don't beat yourself up over your past actions, you've stepped up to the plate now.

And I would not worry about your personal safety, it's far too out in the open for that.

Could someone point to to Mystic's complaint about these crooks please? Thanks.

And I agree with Rusty

Nash, maybe just limit yourself to withdrawing from this thread if you feel that necessary.


Here you go...Mystic's complaint thread

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ndom-jackpot-palace-of-chance-or-did-i.17424/
 
rob and i have great talks, we can understand each other, almost have the same accent, cept his a is a more slow laid back georgia one and i talk like a dolly pardon hyped up on to much sugar, but we do have good conversations and i have so much respect for him as well as many others on this forum.........laurie
 
I'm a newer member here and am not a part of all the history that is being discussed. However, lauriejim, I'd like you to know you have my support and I admire someone who's conscience drives them to expose criminal activity like you've described here. Their comments to you about 9-11 and comparing your confession to terrorist activity alone shows what sleazeball scum they are. I'm grateful Casinomeister is here to warn people of rogue sites and for this forum of fellow players helping to look out for each other.

Mystic, I hope you get your money which rightfully belongs to you and I wish you the best. :)
 
im feeling pretty low now, just had a email from james(octavio) he has lost his job and they fired him
With all the lies coming from this casino, I would not be so sure it really happened. I am more inclined to think that it is just a new lie, construed to make you feel guilty... while in fact you must be PROUD of yourself! :thumbsup:

and i was even reminded that tomorrow is 9/11 and what i did to him was an act of terrorism.
... can it get any dumber I wonder :eek:
 
The tactics used by POC and a batch of crap RTG casinos do not surprise me as I have played with them in the early days where there was a Safebet seal for accredited RTGs (which was a scam). In the handle of Phynqster, Virtualted who used to be the manager of Virtual, also made some astonishing revelations as to how things work at Virtual and the tactics they employed were similar as POC.

We all know these are shitty establishments but the crunch comes as to how we can cut off their life-support ie new customers and repeat customers. Many in the former group dont even bother making a google search before departing with their hard-earned cash. They only learn the hard truth when initiating a withdrawal but there are so many of them out there and the supply of new customers who are enticed by mammoth bonuses is endless. As for repeat customers, I am inclined to think these rogues set a ratio of cashouts to deposits in the hope for repeated business. Why deny a $500 cashout when the player has already made $3000 in deposits and a huge probability of more to come. While I am full of praise for Laurie for revealing these to us, the bigger problem is how to reach out to a wider audience to let them know they are entering a lion's lair and will be fully devoured before they realise it.
 
Just to step in for a bit. I would like to get this thread back on track. Even though the OP has been apparently wronged by this casino, I don't want this thread to spiral into a slam fest that goes nowhere. This can be counter-productive toward any future discussions. The entire Virtual Group is in the rogue pit - and has been the forefront of a number of high trafficked exposes. What more do you need? :D Talk of mafioso fingernail pulling is really unnecessary, okay?

If I remember correctly, mysticjo violated the terms and conditions somehow, and this was the reason for not being paid. Regardless, I'll contact the new affiliate manager to look into this - I have all of the original correspondence so no worries on sending me anything.
 
I have to command Laurie for a great subject on this matter.:thumbsup:
It's great to let it all out than to keep it in your soul.
This is better than The Watergate scandal.:thumbsup:
The members here & other places need to know what is going on with this group.
And also Mystic I hope you get your money which rightfully belongs to you and I wish you the best This will help you & the Boys in this time of your life.
B-T
 
Just to step in for a bit. I would like to get this thread back on track. Even though the OP has been apparently wronged by this casino, I don't want this thread to spiral into a slam fest that goes nowhere. This can be counter-productive toward any future discussions. The entire Virtual Group is in the rogue pit - and has been the forefront of a number of high trafficked exposes. What more do you need? :D Talk of mafioso fingernail pulling is really unnecessary, okay?

If I remember correctly, mysticjo violated the terms and conditions somehow, and this was the reason for not being paid. Regardless, I'll contact the new affiliate manager to look into this - I have all of the original correspondence so no worries on sending me anything.
the person that called me from poc was a guy named roger c/m, he was very pleasant and seemed to want to make changes and do the right thing and was floored about the whole deal, he had given me his email addy, which i must have written down wrong as i was in shock myself, that he indeed had called and wanted to work al these matters out and he said he didnt doubt what i was saying at all and believed me, i agree with you this thread could be counter productive and should be used to its full advantage to help others who are owed money..........................laurie
 
omg, poc just called my cell(robert), it started out like a sales call but before he could say to much , told him not to talk to me and to talk to roger, please poc, dont call me anymore, my accounts are closed per my request,this is almost laughable to try to solicit my bizz, geeze:rolleyes:
 
omg, poc just called my cell(robert), it started out like a sales call but before he could say to much , told him not to talk to me and to talk to roger, please poc, dont call me anymore, my accounts are closed per my request,this is almost laughable to try to solicit my bizz, geeze:rolleyes:

You should turn them over to the FCC for spamming your cell phone :)

Once you closed your account with them, they no longer fall under the "consumer/business" relationship :)
 
Yea, I got a "we miss you" call from them earlier today offering me a 300% cashable, no restrictions match promo. One day they will be featured on World's Dumbest Criminals.
did it show up on your caller id as 888-262-5515 also bryand? win says that its spamming if you have no relations with them anymore..............laurie
 
Mystic...........just had a thought............do you suppose the manager called you at home to say you would be paid because he expected an offer of payola from you?

No mention of being paid off or needing money to speed up the process was ever mentioned! So... I don't think so.

Bryan..Just to set the record straight.
I was accused of violating the lifetime bonus rules when In reality I had NOT violated it. POC had hit up my bank for some w/d's on a weekend when I was playing with a reversed cashout .. (on a saturday IF I remember correctly) I notified my bank that they were never to process any more transactions from POC. When I contacted Dean and Andre about this they said "there is no way for them to put the money that was "mistakenly" taken out of my account BACK in.. so they "would have to reimburse me with free chips!".. those chips still did not put me over the lifetime bonus amounts, but they could have IF I had not depositted as much as I did.
VWM did the numbers from my account transaction pages that I had screen shots of. So NO I did NOT violate any terms. It was an excuse to not pay me. and Dean admitted that to Lauriejim! (again thanks LJ)

oh.. and for everyone.. please be patient with me. I am not online as much as I used to be. When I do get on.. I try to come here first! ;) So if I do not answer right away, please be patient. :notworthy
 
omg, poc just called my cell(robert), it started out like a sales call but before he could say to much , told him not to talk to me and to talk to roger, please poc, dont call me anymore, my accounts are closed per my request,this is almost laughable to try to solicit my bizz, geeze:rolleyes:

You should have talked to him Laurie, Robert is Jay Todds contact there at Gambling Wages, the guy that was in the video with Jay Todd...;)
 
Here's the video Laurie just in case you missed it...along with Roberts email address.

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not the same robert, this robert was a spanish accented robert, not that robert on the video and the number that i was called on is from poc 888-262-5515..i wish it has been the right robert:) laurie
 
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"I assure you $150 to an online casino is nowhere near an amount of money that they would withold willingly from a player, knowing that players will go to forums etc..."

Two important points from that absurd quote:

1) $150 x Several thousand players they may have ripped off = a lot

2) What the hell is an amount of money that they would willingly withold from a player then?!? What's the 'break even' point that they decide "we'll keep this. It's worth it to us"

Jesus Christ.
 
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"I assure you $150 to an online casino is nowhere near an amount of money that they would withold willingly from a player, knowing that players will go to forums etc..."

Two important points from that absurd quote:

1) $150 x Several thousand players they may have ripped off = a lot

2) What the hell is an amount of money that they would willingly withold from a player then?!? What's the 'break even' point that they decide "we'll keep this. It's worth it to us"

Jesus Christ.


geeze.....I'm sure there's plenty of posts from players here that have been ripped off for < $500.
 
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"I assure you $150 to an online casino is nowhere near an amount of money that they would withold willingly from a player, knowing that players will go to forums etc..."

Two important points from that absurd quote:

1) $150 x Several thousand players they may have ripped off = a lot

2) What the hell is an amount of money that they would willingly withold from a player then?!? What's the 'break even' point that they decide "we'll keep this. It's worth it to us"

Jesus Christ.




150.32.....:D
 
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"I assure you $150 to an online casino is nowhere near an amount of money that they would withold willingly from a player, knowing that players will go to forums etc..."

Two important points from that absurd quote:

1) $150 x Several thousand players they may have ripped off = a lot

2) What the hell is an amount of money that they would willingly withold from a player then?!? What's the 'break even' point that they decide "we'll keep this. It's worth it to us"

Jesus Christ.


Simple. The amount they would willingly withhold from a player is $151:D.
 
J.Todd... The Gambling Wages "Spin Doctor" and promoter... has now publicly stated that he "will not" address this "lauriejim issue" here at Casinomeister... but only if it is posted on "his" APCW forum... :rolleyes:

Todd stated (in a response to RobWin):



Rob, with all due respect to you and Bryan, if people at CM have issues they can get their butts over here and post them.

I've been to their board and tried to help but was crucified. I will not go back. I have enough to deal with without the added stress of having my integrity questioned by those I'm trying to help... especially after my track record in this industry.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


If anyone wants to post about this current issue... here is the link to the APCW forum.. to this specific Gambling Wages thread:

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The Gambling Wages "manager" will apparently address specific issues on there.
 
:o I made it back over to Jtodd's site tonight. It's been a real long time since I have been there. I do remember filing a complaint with them after it the POC issue happened :rolleyes: it was around the same time VWM was helping and doing the numbers. Then alot of things happened and I ended up resigning to the fact that I would probably never be paid.

So I asked JTodd myself in a post and message if he would please come back and check out this thread and the original.

Thank you everyone. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.. especially considering the circumstances. :notworthy
 
Does this mean that we need to go to APCW to see if this issue is addressed? I'm not a member there. Sorry for my confusion but what is happening now? Is there a statement about this issue that lauriejim posted anywhere? I want to know what GW has said about this.
 
Seems to me there is a very fine line to be trod on a public forum between open criticism and outright abuse but the last thing a REP should be able to use as an excuse to not respond to peoples genuine concerns is that they don't want their feelings hurt:axeman2:
It wont wash.

I think all the people who have been ripped off by this outfit are a little more upset than any Rep ever will be.

Do you really think any Rep worth their salt would sit back while their business was being accused of corruption and scandal if there was no truth in the allegations no matter how their prissy little ears were offended by the odd scurrilous remark.

Bull!

Failure to answer or address issues that are posted here by forum members will always be seen as a sign of guilt for those reasons.
There is no jury or 5th amendment here, just open debate.
 
Just my $0.02 but I don't see a lot of folks getting "crucified" here at CM.

Some get a bit of a rough ride of it now and again, true, but that's usually because there are folks out there who have real beefs and they aren't a cake-walk to deal with. That's not crucifixion that's just what happens when you shit on people and they have a chance to fight back little.

BB runs a pretty clean shop if you ask me: things that start getting out of hand are usually brought to heel pretty quickly.

So methinks the "I don't post there" defense is a little suspect ... and so very, very convenient.
 
As far as Laurie, I can not let all the truth be known, I can not flame, etc. on this forum as there are forum rules I should comply with as well as US laws that I have to comply with.....I can ask questions (with a some side comments) and after a couple emails and a PM or two from other members, I have decided I will ask some questions as I some are obviously refraining from posting their opinions and/or questions fearing the wraths of________!!!.....

Laurie states her agenda which forum rules do not allow me to totally comment on. This post, as of now, is not personal other than I have stated Laurie and I (afaik) have major moral and philosophical issues which are somewhat business related and unfortunately intensified on this forum as I perceive "double standards" at play! An uncomfortable situation that most may not realize why but it is what is and just because one is online will not allow my morals, ethics, and principals to simply be ignored as some believe they should be......Blame me if you wish but Laurie could have ceased posting also and probably only she and I know why that may have been the wise to do!!

Laurie, first question, did you indirectly promote the Virtual group (I have no reason at this time to believe,imply or make reference to the term "promoting" meaning for your own financial gain) in a sense and make the statement(s) that the powers that be of this forum as well as some members of this forum were not telling the truth about the Virtual group????

Next, did you ever mention prior to this thread and/or refer to Virtual employees as your friends as well as state you were privy to Virtual information through your various friends at Virtual. Was it not someone from Virtual that assured that Nitromixer was 100% legimate as an example????

Next, did a well known member of this forum state iirc in a posted SS or maybe just in a thread, after winning as what I can reasonably assume to be at a Virtual casino, (paraphrasing) that you had assured the winner or maybe just implied that they would be paid and that Cindy always paid you??

Next, nice thread in the attic on 911. That said, did you continue to patonize Virtual after the despicable 911 promo which even won a CM 2007 award with a heartfelt commentary by CM. Did you in any sense whatsoever try to spin Danny's behavior as some type of misunderstanding and you had talked to whomever, maybe it was that Cindy or one of the others you mentioned, and this forum had it all wrong??? If you remember, it was I (as others wanted to I was assured) who went head to head with HGB on his despicable post in regards to 911 in WC's. By no means I am implying that you do not feel as strong as I do about that day. I will let you answer before I decide if there may be other implications!!

Next, did J. Todd contact you or did you contact J. Todd initially (and if so when) on account of the guilt you refer to in order to exposing this so called new revelation which I am obviously yet to understand what is so revealing??? Simply Standard Operating Procedure based on the numerous threads I have read in the past on Virtual?? I thought it was just me and a couple others missing something but if I understood CM's post, nothing about Virtual including the alledged kickbacks and/or for whatever reason MJ was not paid is news. I could have sworn I saw this group on the rogue list and referred to as nothing but Costa Rican "clipjoints" moreso than I care to remember!! You can help me understand perhaps but your call!!

Next, how were these alleged kicksbacks paid and do you have anything evident of how???

Next, if this simply is about MJ being paid why is it necessary for you or others on your behalf to remain in contact with J.Todd.??? CM stated, iirc, he would contact the Rep. for MJ, did he not???????......SIDENOTE: Yes, it would be nice if MJ got paid as iirc she did mention in her initial threads that she wished she had found this site prior to patronizing as well as not being paid by Virtual/POC which is 100% contrary to your situation. Laurie, you made a choice and more, you were warned both on and off the forum not that it mattered to you nor I until you claim you were not paid. Then, it mattered to you and now I also but I suspect for totally different reasons...... ((If Mystic is paid, I then would pray that this is not a designed and disguised scheme by Virtual et al to create an immediate false trust and thus new business where history will repeat itself----You know what I am not praying as Virtual are crooks and always will be crooks)).

I have other questions but they may not be necessary based on your replies to the above questions. Of course, I understand it your right to not reply but based on your prior and on-going posts, I would hope you would.
 
i had the whole thing answered but decided i will not get into a bitching match with garry on this issue as he has a personal agenda against me but will talk freely by cell or email on the subject with any one else, its not about me, its trying to get mystic whats due her and with hope maybe alot of other folks, and exposing this group, this should be used as counter productive like c/m said and not vice/ versa...........................laurie
 
i had the whole thing answered but decided i will not get into a bitching match with garry on this issue as he has a personal agenda against me but will talk freely by cell or email on the subject with any one else, its not about me, its trying to get mystic whats due her and with hope maybe alot of other folks, and exposing this group, this should be used as counter productive like c/m said and not vice/ versa...........................laurie

I am still trying to figure out why it took you
over a year to come forward about this whole bit
mystic"s win 4 sure shoulda been dealt with
when they blackmailed er bribed you to keep
that dirty secret

and the weirdest thing is she forgives you
an they believe you (Meister Members)
on your reasons for coming forward so LATE

Cindy
 
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