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nope cindy, the v.i.p 500.00 lifetime free chip wasnt hush money, i was told that about mystics win and had to promise not to say anything after i kept hounding dean about it, he said she had won on a 20.00 deposit but had several free chips before that and that he wasnt going to pay her as it was a 20.00 deposit, just like i told roger on the phone last night when he called, should i have come forward sooner? yes and i regret not doing so, now all i want to do is help get mystic her money back she won fair and square by bringing this out in the open, she would not have gotten it before thru p.a.b and we all know that, now the new management to save face must do the right thing and pay her, and the 500.00 free chip is kinda hard to play anymore when you have closed your accounts, so thats not the issue at hand, its holding this company responsable for screwing so many people around and now that my proof is in hand and they want to save what face they still may have, they need to pay mystic and all that have been screwed over by them.................laurie

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I know Mystic and I have butt heads and Id like to put that aside right now.

Mystic is right. I think we need to step back a minute, let all the facts come into play and not hang Laurie over and over. Im sure there are alot of mitigating circumstances that lead laurie here. I am speaking only my opinion, I havnt talked to either Laurie or Mystic

I just think this is the type of thread that can get ugly and enough damage was done and things are on their way to healing. Life is too short, like Mystic said, she forgave Laurie and thats what matters no matter how many feel differently.

I am begging everyone here to please sit on this for a little bit. No, Im not a moderator or think I am, I just dont want this getting too ugly . I am looking out for both Mystic and Laurie and that should be enough considering our past bouts! That should mean something. Please?:)
 
email sent to contact.. returned

Ok.. So I knew I shouldn't get my hopes up to recieve the RJ after over a year and a half, and I am glad that I didn't. Not to say that it "won't" happen. But this way here if .. IF... it does it will definately be a god-send (thank you Lauriejim).

I did send an email to the email address I was provided.
here it is....
To:[email protected]
Subject:my random jackpot win at POC per Lauriejim's request
Date:Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:11:38 PM
[View Source]
Hi,
I have recieved a PM from LaurieJim at Casinomeister regarding a random jackpot I won but was never paid at the Palace of Chance online casino last year.
There is SO much communications and documentation regarding that place and my NOT being paid it would be way too over whelming to send it all at once (let alone to see if I still have it all!) I do know I have switched computers since then AND I did delete some info.. as I saw I would NEVER be paid by them.
The first thing I can do is direct you to the original thread I started when "Dean" called my house to tell me I would be paid. (needless to say he was lying). This is the first thread regarding my win and all the lies and deception. I do appreciate your taking the time to look into this and I am so grateful to lauriejim for stepping up to the plate like she did.
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again, thank you and please let me know what else you need or may need.
have a good day
xxxxx aka mysticjoz


but it was returned two seconds:confused: later as ..
The following addresses had fatal errors:
[email protected]: 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>
recipient invalid domain


I have now been given the correct email address (LJ and I both hope..lol) and am sending that out again now, then it is time for me to rest! (this is alot for me in one day!;) please bear with me.!
So, we will see what happens from here, but in the meantime.

Thank you very much LaurieJim! To post what you did regardless of the reasons took an unbelievable amount of courage! I commend you on that! (if that is the word I am looking for.. I think it is .. lol)

To all CM members.. remember. LJ is doing something so many others would have walked away from. Again Please give her credit for that because in my book she is now a woman of integrity. She has earned my respect regardless of what she did in the past. the past is the past and NO ONE should ever feel they have the right to judge you for that. (I know of someone who should be on thier knees begging forgiveness for a really big lie. BUT.. they have yet to come clean and probably never will! When they are ready.. I will be one of the first ones there to help them through, until then.. I am quite about it)

We all learn from our mistakes. We grow from making wrongs right and we live life the best we can with what god gives us!!

To err is human to forgive divine.

Lauriejim.. again thank you! :thumbsup: It is not the end result, it's the effort and honesty that count in my book!
 
I think this should be out in the open, like a septic wound it needs to be cleansed and aired for the healing to take place.

mysticjoz is the One most affected by this on this forum as far as I can tell and if she is prepared to forgive laurie then I know we can all do the same.
mysticjoz you are a brave and honourable soul.

I can only hope the outcome will serve a little justice to all concerned and agin credit Lauriejim for going public with this no matter what your feelings about her past actions.

Nashvegas, please reconsider, your posts would be much missed here.
 
I think this should be out in the open, like a septic wound it needs to be cleansed and aired for the healing to take place.

mysticjoz is the One most affected by this on this forum as far as I can tell and if she is prepared to forgive laurie then I know we can all do the same.
mysticjoz you are a brave and honourable soul.

I can only hope the outcome will serve a little justice to all concerned and agin credit Lauriejim for going public with this no matter what your feelings about her past actions.

Nashvegas, please reconsider, your posts would be much missed here.

Agreed, I should have been more specific. I meant to say, at this point, you may want to withhold private correspondence between you and the casino until resolved.
 
Agreed, I should have been more specific. I meant to say, at this point, you may want to withhold private correspondence between you and the casino until resolved.

I wish I could say I agree with that. However, from what I understand this thread is being monitored word for word by the one who is "supposed to help resolve" this issue. And with that being said, I do want to let him know that email addy #2 was also returned.

So, in public I would like to ask that he either PM myself or Lauram with a valid email address.
I myself have learned in the past (from this casino in particular) not to have any phone conversations with them. In the past all the screen shots of transactions and all the documented conversations couldn't get me paid. And personally I don't blame LJ for not wanting to call them herself at this point. but yes... she did the right thing. and No I haven't had any offers put on the table for me. yet. (I do hope for one) but I know this group better than that and I hope they don't drag it out as I am feeling as if false hopes were already given.
So IF this person who is supposed to resolve this IS reading this thread please PM either Lauriejim or myself. that would be the first step in resolving this issue IF you do want to resolve it.
 
I wish I could say I agree with that. However, from what I understand this thread is being monitored word for word by the one who is "supposed to help resolve" this issue. And with that being said, I do want to let him know that email addy #2 was also returned.

Hmmmm.....in that case it wouldn't hurt for me to summarize this thread ;)

Palace of Chance Casino, an affiliate of Virtual Casino, Cirrus Casino, Cool Cat Casino, Club Player Casino, Prism Casino, VIP Lounge Casino, Slots of Vegas Casino and Wild Vegas Casino:

Regularly lies to players.

Employees extort money from players.

Uses the phrase "under new management" often to give the appearance of becoming legitimate.

Are located in Costa Rica where there is no oversight or regulation.

Mislead and/or abuse their affiliates.

Refuse to pay out valid wins.
 
im feeling pretty low now, just had a email from james(octavio) he has lost his job and they fired him, my beef was with dean and the casino upper management and owner about how they jerk people around, i forwarded the email to babs, kakata, bingot and j todd as proof, he disputes what i had said and i was even reminded that tomorrow is 9/11 and what i did to him was an act of terrorism.i had asked this roger not to fire octavio as the management knew all about this and it should have been them that got fired, look all i wanted is mystics money paid to her, they cant fire dean as he quit or was fired or andre as he skipped off with another mgr. and got married.i didnt know trying to right a wrong would be so painful and so hurtful to others including myself, shoulda maybe kept it all to myself after all, i didnt want to hurt everyone, just those responsable for the lying and cheating that has gone on so long at poc and to those players affected, being too kind hearted has been my biggest flaw imo, need to get more cynical and hateful and vindictive as person to fit in with the rest of the world but that wouldnt be me..............laurie
 
Hmmmm.....in that case it wouldn't hurt for me to summarize this thread ;)

Palace of Chance Casino, an affiliate of Virtual Casino, Cirrus Casino, Cool Cat Casino, Club Player Casino, Prism Casino, VIP Lounge Casino, Slots of Vegas Casino and Wild Vegas Casino:

Regularly lies to players.

Employees extort money from players.

Uses the phrase "under new management" often to give the appearance of becoming legitimate.

Are located in Costa Rica where there is no oversight or regulation.

Mislead and/or abuse their affiliates.

Refuse to pay out valid wins.

My belief theres more casinos then just that. Example with Ultimate Bet/AB "new management" "extort money from players"...on and on. I am sure there is many more that haven't been brought out.
I have come to the terms that any where I put my money online at any casino...its a big "GAMBLE"....I gamble that its a legimate casino...that I may win(but lately thats few and far between)...I might get paid if I do win(without having to go through loops)...and if any of those happen...its been a Damn Good Day! Unfortuately lately as you can see by many posts that "Good Days" don't come very often anymore.
 
im feeling pretty low now, just had a email from james(octavio) he has lost his job and they fired him, my beef was with dean and the casino upper management and owner about how they jerk people around, i forwarded the email to babs, kakata, bingot and j todd as proof, he disputes what i had said and i was even reminded that tomorrow is 9/11 and what i did to him was an act of terrorism.i had asked this roger not to fire octavio as the management knew all about this and it should have been them that got fired, look all i wanted is mystics money paid to her, they cant fire dean as he quit or was fired or andre as he skipped off with another mgr. and got married.i didnt know trying to right a wrong would be so painful and so hurtful to others including myself, shoulda maybe kept it all to myself after all, i didnt want to hurt everyone, just those responsable for the lying and cheating that has gone on so long at poc and to those players affected, being too kind hearted has been my biggest flaw imo, need to get more cynical and hateful and vindictive as person to fit in with the rest of the world but that wouldnt be me..............laurie

I believe you did the right thing and I know in your heart you did the right thing...the rest of it is out of your control. Please don't sit there and beat yourself up. :thumbsup:
 
why are you so much worried about theyr(casino club) comments and those e-mail, which were constructed for the case??
They are what they are and you are what you are....a lady.
(a gambler lady tho)....and cause you are a gambler lady you are forgiven(IMHO) for what you and many of us did at least once in life....I did it.
Gambling is an ugly beast.:mad:
You dont need to prove anything....., not to me anyway,,they should, but they wont.
Theyr story tells me all.
Ive been there too and after only 1 deposit I could see what they were made of.
As Ive already said they keep calling me on a weekly basis....sometimes twice.
DC999,somehow,was right .I was,somehow, wrong.:o
I love you....whatever.(Im serious now)
 
im feeling pretty low now, just had a email from james(octavio) he has lost his job and they fired him, my beef was with dean and the casino upper management and owner about how they jerk people around, i forwarded the email to babs, kakata, bingot and j todd as proof, he disputes what i had said and i was even reminded that tomorrow is 9/11 and what i did to him was an act of terrorism.i had asked this roger not to fire octavio as the management knew all about this and it should have been them that got fired, look all i wanted is mystics money paid to her, they cant fire dean as he quit or was fired or andre as he skipped off with another mgr. and got married.i didnt know trying to right a wrong would be so painful and so hurtful to others including myself, shoulda maybe kept it all to myself after all, i didnt want to hurt everyone, just those responsable for the lying and cheating that has gone on so long at poc and to those players affected, being too kind hearted has been my biggest flaw imo, need to get more cynical and hateful and vindictive as person to fit in with the rest of the world but that wouldnt be me..............laurie


Not your fault Laurie!...as you only shared the truth. To be used as you were and have kept silent about it so long speaks volumes in itself about you. Bodies had to hit the floor on this one as it came to light, and you have no control over that. Obviously that place is nothing but a beehive of illegal activity and now that it's been exposed, someone has to take the fall for it. Too bad some innocents got caught up in the trap. If I've ever seen a thread powerful enough to bring a casino to its knees in all my years at Meister's, this is definitely the one. Don't feel guilty because they no doubt had it coming to them.
 
why are you so much worried about theyr(casino club) comments and those e-mail, which were constructed for the case??
They are what they are and you are what you are....a lady.
(a gambler lady tho)....and cause you are a gambler lady you are forgiven(IMHO) for what you and many of us did at least once in life....I did it.
Gambling is an ugly beast.:mad:
You dont need to prove anything....., not to me anyway,,they should, but they wont.
Theyr story tells me all.
Ive been there too and after only 1 deposit I could see what they were made of.
As Ive already said they keep calling me on a weekly basis....sometimes twice.
DC999,somehow,was right .I was,somehow, wrong.:o
I love you....whatever.(Im serious now)

And that brings to mind DC999! Didn't he get screwed out of around 100k by these crooks?
 
And that brings to mind DC999! Didn't he get screwed out of around 100k by these crooks?

....only 22K.....lol only 22K like it was nothing.:o
Now I do undearsteand his anger towards me.
Still I was called dumb ...idiot...and all the rest for playing at a rogue casino, so I decided not to post anymore about em(crytal palace)....someone else could have had felt same way....not?;)
 
im feeling pretty low now, just had a email from james(octavio) he has lost his job and they fired him, my beef was with dean and the casino upper management and owner about how they jerk people around, i forwarded the email to babs, kakata, bingot and j todd as proof, he disputes what i had said and i was even reminded that tomorrow is 9/11 and what i did to him was an act of terrorism.i had asked this roger not to fire octavio as the management knew all about this and it should have been them that got fired, look all i wanted is mystics money paid to her, they cant fire dean as he quit or was fired or andre as he skipped off with another mgr. and got married.i didnt know trying to right a wrong would be so painful and so hurtful to others including myself, shoulda maybe kept it all to myself after all, i didnt want to hurt everyone, just those responsable for the lying and cheating that has gone on so long at poc and to those players affected, being too kind hearted has been my biggest flaw imo, need to get more cynical and hateful and vindictive as person to fit in with the rest of the world but that wouldnt be me..............laurie

Come on Laurie don't fall into the trap of self pity.
If you lie amongst vipers you are sure to get bit.
You have done the right thing but there was bound to be fallout.
I have no personal beef with the guy that got fired but he was working for a corrupt outfit, he must have known that and been party to at least some of the despicable actions of this Casino.
Even if he is an innocent he should be glad of the opportunity to get away from this group and can use his sacking as evidence that he was not complicit in any wrongdoings to his benefit when courting a reputable outfit.
Hardly the act of a terrorist on your part more like a freedom fighter:thumbsup:
Hang in there Laurie but accept, as you were, you have bought much of this on yourself and ultimately you will be much stronger.
The right path is always the hardest for a reason.
 
You did the right thing.

A lot of people do not know the difference between right and wrong, unless its thier right.

I applaud you for shining a light on these lice infested cockroaches. They have screwed people out of thier money for years with the free chips.

If enough people read this thread in the world they will cease to exist.
 
If Joe Pesci comes a knocking at your door, I know what definitely pisses him off! A baseball bat to the head! Lets help Laurie dig a few holes in the desert....and someone bring the lime! We're into underworld shit now!

"Go get your phuckin shine box!"
 
I said I would not post again but for the life of me I cannot understand why Laurijim should feel sorry for any one that got fired over this mess. And why are they emailing you and whinning about it? Did you force these people to work for a sludge pit outfit like POC? I don't think so.

In my many years of working I have worked for some good people and some crooks. What I could tell you about tax evasion and security fraud would curl your hair. Most of the time I got out as fast as I could but sometimes you just try to wait it out. All of this was a personal choice. That is what these people made - a personal choice. You cannot work in a dirt pile and not get dirt on you. (Cleaned it up a bit but you get my drift.)

Laurijim, you are not their best friend and they are certainly not yours. Your feelings should go to Mysticjoz and the others that got screwed by these people, not for the employees that knowing worked for a bunch of crooks. Quit agonizing about what happens to them and work to help right a wrong.
 
Well Laurie i sure think you could use a hug right about now. I also got taken by this group of casinos. Im a little bewildered that the casino would even think of discussing another players account in the first place. And to make matters worse the guilt trip they are placing on you with giving you information that they are firing personal. Hang in there girl what you did was right coming forward with this and im sure you will have a lot of support from cm members here me included.
 
I have to say I agree with anniemac's post.....I wouldn't waste one breathe or one thought on feeling sorry for anyone who CHOOSES to work for an outfit such as this. They don't deserve one tiny bit of pity....it's just a waste of time.
 
Save all of your correspondence Laurie....and anyone else who's been privy(or victim) to this outfits shenanigans. I see a book deal in the future! I just want to be able to write the forward. Give me that pleasure at least!
 
If Joe Pesci comes a knocking at your door, I know what definitely pisses him off! A baseball bat to the head! Lets help Laurie dig a few holes in the desert....and someone bring the lime! We're into underworld shit now!

"Go get your phuckin shine box!"
i dont want to kill folks tim:D just want them to do the right thing, im already so paranoid enough over this im packing (and it aint clothes) and i made a few phone calls. we just need to keep the heat on them as they want this thread to disappear and lets get some of these peoples money back ,most of all mystics as she is the clear victim here......laurie
 
i dont want to kill folks tim:D just want them to do the right thing, im already so paranoid enough over this im packing (and it aint clothes) and i made a few phone calls. we just need to keep the heat on them as they want this thread to disappear and lets get some of these peoples money back ,most of all mystics as she is the clear victim here......laurie

Just to be clear........are you saying you've been threatened?
 
Just to be clear........are you saying you've been threatened?
no i wouldnt say i was threatened at all, just that they are a powerful group and i read on here along time ago about people missing and such and remembered that, we can just hope this will make rtg pull away from them, now that has to hurt someones bank account and piss someone off big time if that happens.....................laurie
 
no i wouldnt say i was threatened at all, just that they are a powerful group and i read on here along time ago about people missing and such and remembered that, we can just hope this will make rtg pull away from them, now that has to hurt someones bank account and piss someone off big time if that happens.....................laurie

Speaking of Bank Accounts, I think if I were you Laurie if you havn't already done so, I would close all banking related accounts that this outfit knows about or has access to and open new one's and also do it at a totally different bank across town somewhere...;)
 
Hardly the act of a terrorist on your part more like a freedom fighter:thumbsup:
Hang in there Laurie but accept, as you were, you have bought much of this on yourself and ultimately you will be much stronger.
The right path is always the hardest for a reason.

I couldn't have said it better myself Rusty!!

Lauriejim, please do not fall for the lines they are feeding you. This group has a habit of "playing the player" ... For all you know this "employee" was NOT fired and is only preying on your pity or sympathy. They do that really well, also;). To remind you of tomorrows date and terrorism is outright ignorant! :mad:

You are far from that! He is trying to take away any ounce of self esteem and/or integrity you gained from your honesty today and I for one hope he does not succeed! So, A rip off artist lost his job.. trust me., I am sure he will have another one tomorrow. If not you just saved some unsuspecting player from being conned by him personally.

I hold no grudges and never will. Like I said before. The past is the past. You learn from it, grow from it and move on., yes it hurts sometimes. But you wouldn't be human or have a conscience if you didn't feel any pain (physical, emotional or mental!) that is a fact of life and always will be.
I feel bad that you are hurting right now. I can not fix it, I can only offer you a shoulder to cry on or a hand to hold. We all have felt the same way at one time or another. It will pass and you will be stronger, more mature and more educated when it has! (and it doesn't take long for it to pass! so just hold on there)

You tried to right a wrong. Like I said before (at least I think I did)
I commend you for that! It takes alot of courage to come forward in front of this whole forum and speak the truth that has been held back for a long, long time!! I hope it is less painful to let go of the lie and accept the truth. You have earned more friends here today than you could ever imagine. So don't ever think being truthful is the wrong thing to do! Yes it would have been easier to keep silent, but I have a feeling you didn't keep silent anymore about this for a reason bigger than "POC screwed you over".. I think it goes alot deeper than that!
Hold on girl.. it will get better, and with getting better it will get easier.
Trust me.. and again I Thank you for your honesty. :thumbsup:
 
i dont want to kill folks tim:D just want them to do the right thing, im already so paranoid enough over this im packing (and it aint clothes) and i made a few phone calls. we just need to keep the heat on them as they want this thread to disappear and lets get some of these peoples money back ,most of all mystics as she is the clear victim here......laurie

I understand your situation, but the wheels have already been set in motion. As we speak, the gangsters are packing their nines and planning a retribution. Our best strategy is to be on the offensive. If I take Joe Pesci hostage and pull out his fingernails one by one with a pair of pliers, than I'm confident that he'll call off his thugs before they can do any real harm. Live your life as normal Laurie because you are totally innocent......but we're going to have to act behind the scenes on your behalf. The first guy I see in your neighborhood is going to have his head put in a vise, and I expect he'll disclose any future plans that the mob has against you.

From there we can make things right one body at a time. No need to worry!
 
I understand your situation, but the wheels have already been set in motion. As we speak, the gangsters are packing their nines and planning a retribution. Our best strategy is to be on the offensive. If I take Joe Pesci hostage and pull out his fingernails one by one with a pair of pliers, than I'm confident that he'll call off his thugs before they can do any real harm. Live your life as normal Laurie because you are totally innocent......but we're going to have to act behind the scenes on your behalf. The first guy I see in your neighborhood is going to have his head put in a vise, and I expect he'll disclose any future plans that the mob has against you.

From there we can make things right one body at a time. No need to worry!

LOL...:lolup:, Damn Tim...you're going to have Laurie scared to death man...:lolup:
 
Ok folks we might not agree on everything in these threads but lets not forget we are like family here. Anyone have any suggestions on what our next move should be? Do we start emailing them inquiring about all this or hit live chat?
Or sit low for now and see where it all goes. Just remember there is power in numbers and i see a lot of numbers here at cm.
 
Ok folks we might not agree on everything in these threads but lets not forget we are like family here. Anyone have any suggestions on what our next move should be? Do we start emailing them inquiring about all this or hit live chat?
Or sit low for now and see where it all goes. Just remember there is power in numbers and i see a lot of numbers here at cm.
good question, i dont know what else to do, maybe it wouldnt hurt to do live chat and just say PAY MYSTIC NOW!!! and jamm their live chat up for awhile atleast some unexpecting player may not be able to get thru and make a deposit, just my thoughts and if thats done it needs to be done to all the casinos in that group, non stop, what do ya'll think?...also they have cirrus U.K so our brittish members could work on that one also...........
 
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Ok folks we might not agree on everything in these threads but lets not forget we are like family here. Anyone have any suggestions on what our next move should be? Do we start emailing them inquiring about all this or hit live chat?
Or sit low for now and see where it all goes. Just remember there is power in numbers and i see a lot of numbers here at cm.

If you've ever dealt with gangsters before, than you'd know that being nice is not an option. Let's not try and be politically correct here folks!
 
good question, i dont know what else to do, maybe it wouldnt hurt to do live chat and just say PAY MYSTIC NOW!!! and jamm their live chat up for awhile atleast some unexpecting player may not be able to get thru and make a deposit, just my thoughts and if thats done it needs to be done to all the casinos in that group, non stop, what do ya'll think?

I would try a little longer, to try and get this issue worked out with them before I started using those type of tactics...reserve those for now and use them only as a last resort and there are several others that can be used too...

Have you spoken with Jay today over at the APCW ?
 
I would try a little longer, to try and get this issue worked out with them before I started using those type of tactics...reserve those for now and use them only as a last resort and there are several others that can be used too...

Have you spoken with Jay today over at the APCW ?
forwarded him the email i recieved from one of the casino employees, also sent a copy to babs, kakata, bingot also, he replyed back and asked for an answer on that person, so its going pretty good so far, im keeping him in the loop of whats going on.i didnt have your email addy but if kakata doesnt mind he can p.m it to you..................please give me a call when you can, you still have the cell number?......laurie
 
You see Laurie.. you have so many friends here who really truly care about you.

You will be ok. They're bark is worse than thier bite.. kind of like, they promise you the moon.. but give you, nothing. :D

Just know that we are here for you! And Tim... I hope you live up the street!
(bad time for a bad joke I know laurie... I was only kidding) but really Tim, lighten up on the Mafioso, your starting to scare ME! ... (did y'all know my grandma's maiden name is capone.. no joke)
 
forwarded him the email i recieved from one of the casino employees, also sent a copy to babs, kakata, bingot also, he replyed back and asked for an answer on that person, so its going pretty good so far, im keeping him in the loop of whats going on.i didnt have your email addy but if kakata doesnt mind he can p.m it to you..................please give me a call when you can, you still have the cell number?......laurie

I would suggest that you try to work this out in a civilized manner Laurie, for that's always the best avenue to take! The secondary methods always seem to violate the law. I wish you luck!
 
forwarded him the email i recieved from one of the casino employees, also sent a copy to babs, kakata, bingot also, he replyed back and asked for an answer on that person, so its going pretty good so far, im keeping him in the loop of whats going on.i didnt have your email addy but if kakata doesnt mind he can p.m it to you..................please give me a call when you can, you still have the cell number?......laurie

Yea I still got it, I will try to break away tomorrow and give you a ring...:)
 
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