The Endless Stupidity Of Chasing Progressives

[ChopleyIOM]

Good luck I feel you’re going to need bucket loads to hit the progressive…….

 

[philderby]

Miss the 'chasing 5 scatters/progressive' videos they were fun. nursed many hangovers watching them haha

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Back up to £757, go figure..... It's dropped in 160x (£80) a couple of times as well.

Still can't hit a line of the 3Dice symbols at all, let alone on winline 5 which is the progressive!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Miss the 'chasing 5 scatters/progressive' videos they were fun. nursed many hangovers watching them haha

I've been toying with the idea of starting up a second channel just for reuploads of the old online slots videos. I wouldn't do full timecodes or anything as that's too much of an ask, but at least it'd get them back online. Some of the older ones are perhaps of some historical interest now, with sessions on the old Viper Client at a couple of different MG casinos, NetEnt slots that have long been retired (Beach, Wild Rockets, Evolution, etc), and suchlike.

I'd like to keep my main channel for the fruit machines and fruit machine emulation, but I do still have all the online slots videos archived out.

 

[dunover]

I've been toying with the idea of starting up a second channel just for reuploads of the old online slots videos. I wouldn't do full timecodes or anything as that's too much of an ask, but at least it'd get them back online. Some of the older ones are perhaps of some historical interest now, with sessions on the old Viper Client at a couple of different MG casinos, NetEnt slots that have long been retired (Beach, Rockets, Evolution, etc), and suchlike.

I'd like to keep my main channel for the fruit machines and fruit machine emulation, but I do still have all the online slots videos archived out.

WE WANT SCATTERVILLE SKUNKS!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And now back through the £800 barrier (£819 to be precise).

Assuming my sums on the progressive contribution are correct, if I'm not winning the progressive, I'm playing a 91.22% RTP slot.

Just goes to show you what low variance can do, nearly all the pays on this are in the 160x or less bracket, so you can actually get a nice little run going on it.

I'm busy collecting all 50 fast travel boards on the entire map in Forza Horizon 4 so having The Joker rumbling away like this is a perfectly acceptable accompaniment.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

WE WANT SCATTERVILLE SKUNKS!!

Yes that'd be in there too

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well after this evening's six hour session I haven't managed to win the progressive, or get a line of 3Dice symbols on any of the other winlines, and yet somehow my session profit is £200.

I also managed to collect 49/50 fast travel boards in Forza Horizon 4, the only one remaining is the difficult bastard one on top of the church.

The progressive is now £1863.90p.

Winning progressives is hard! Who knew eh?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Right I can go in for one more session on this and then I'll have to take a break as I'm going away for a few days (to Bonny Scotland, no less).

Rather excellently, 3Dice have sent out a Halloween bonus offer to their members (bonuses eh? We all remember those from years gone by!), so I'll be putting that to good use for this.

In this case it's 100% up to £100, with a 10xD+B WR (this may vary depending on VIP level, but what's what I got). Now, I still had a cash balance of £800 on the go, which would ordinarily make depositing on top of that balance to claim a bonus with a WR attached rather awkward, however at 3Dice what you can do is make use of the Personal Safe to claim the bonus.

This is all entirely legit and is built into the banking side of their site, I guess the idea is that it's convenient for both casino and players, and cuts down on processing costs and waiting around, especially where crypto is involved. (Personally I've moved over to Mifinity at 3Dice now, but that still has fees.)

So what I did here was withdraw my entire balance of £800 to my Personal Safe, then entered the bonus promo code into the cashier to activate the bonus, and then made a 'deposit' of £100 from my Personal Safe to claim the bonus.

You'll also see that the bonus basically has no restrictions on it except for a max bet of £20, this is standard issue with 3Dice bonuses, and as you can see there are no restrictions on playing a progressive.



And bingo! I have a balance of £200 to play with, albeit with wagering attached, and I didn't have to move any money out of or into 3Dice's ecosystem to do it, and I still have £700 safely tucked away in my Personal Safe!



The wagering doesn't bother me at all in this case, for starters 10xD+B is pretty much EV neutral anyway, but more importantly, for my batshit crazy chasing the progressive mission, what I'm really after is funds to plug away at it with. If I hit the bloody thing then the wagering becomes trivial, and if I don't hit it and lose, then the bonus served its purpose of cushioning the blow and giving me more time lump away at it.

It's spinning away now already - let's see how long the £200 lasts!

As a final note you can see how the wagering is going down normally despite me playing a progressive.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ahem.

It makes a hell of a fuss as well, the screenshots don't do it justice, a mad alarm sounding thing goes off, the joker pops out of the machine, it zooms out to the wide shot, and then it all explodes into money

(Just noticed it resets the progressive amount before the third reel actually drops in.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just added up all the Bandicam footage in terms of duration, only took a mere 26 hours......

Still some wagering left to do, but that one literally can't go wrong.

 

[Jono777]

Currently sat here eating a big plateful of my own words.

Didn't think this would end well so wtg mate

 

[philderby]

Congrats

 

[jasonuk]

Just added up all the Bandicam footage in terms of duration, only took a mere 26 hours......

Still some wagering left to do, but that one literally can't go wrong.

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... and now, the 10 minute wagering montage with dance and techno music.

Congratulations!

 

[Reelsoffun]

Its a bit weird but I actually had a feeling that you was gonna get it out if you kept on.

1. You have played a lot of spins, and its a numbers game!

2. As it seeds at 5000 it hadn't been won in quite a while, and without knowing the math it "could" of been heading towards +EV esp while playing with bonus funds

3. You are one of the luckiest people online I know.

Another point that although its a dangerous president but when playing a progressive like that your only really down when you have lost the current value of the progressive, so in most cases you can throw a hell of a lot of plays through this type of game before your truely in trouble of a point of no return, not that I would ever recommend anyone chasing one out.

But Congrats, anyone that's prepared to push for one like that does deserve it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

... and now, the 10 minute wagering montage with dance and techno music.

Congratulations!

All done, I just went over to Wild Waves on 45p spins and finished it off there, that's a nice gentle slot that always does a decent task of wagering. As it was I won a few quid on that as well (two lots of four scatters helped), so by the time I'd added my wagering-cleared funds to what I'd put into my safe earlier, the final numbers are quite agreeable!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Its a bit weird but I actually had a feeling that you was gonna get it out if you kept on.

1. You have played a lot of spins, and its a numbers game!

2. As it seeds at 5000 it hadn't been won in quite a while, and without knowing the math it "could" of been heading towards +EV esp while playing with bonus funds

3. You are one of the luckiest people online I know.

Another point that although its a dangerous president but when playing a progressive like that your only really down when you have lost the current value of the progressive, so in most cases you can throw a hell of a lot of plays through this type of game before your truely in trouble of a point of no return, not that I would ever recommend anyone chasing one out.

But Congrats, anyone that's prepared to push for one like that does deserve it.

Whilst I haven't been sitting there watching it for the whole 26 hours or anything, if I've been in the same room as it, and had it in my field of view, I have kept half an eye on it. Those 3Dice symbols drop in all the time on all three reels, and on reels 1 and 2 they appear twice, one stop apart.

They also act as wilds and I've seen two of them on a winline substitute for wins all the time, and all over the 3x3 matrix.

Part of me was thinking 'surely they've got to drop in, on the same spin, in the correct configuration, eventually'?

It does about 720 spins an hour, so in 26 hours that's ~18,720 spins, not a massive number admittedly, but it's still a lot of chances for the RNG to pick the stops for each reel, and choose the desired position.

TBH I'd probably have settled for just getting one of the five '3Dice' winlines, which I did in the end, it just happened to be the progressive one!

Clearly I've been very spawny on this run (starting with the wildline on Cleopatra which kicked this whole progressive chasing thing off, as it gave me the bankroll to take it on), but I've taken my knocks at 3Dice over the years too. I've never got heavily involved with The Joker before, but I have with some of the other progressives there and seen that go quite badly wrong, so I've had the downswings as well as the ups. I've also seen many EV+ bonuses crash and burn, and I got off to the most abominable extended start on Arctic Adventure, which is still documented in its thread here at CM!

But yes, this has been an impressive run and I've got away with a very risky slotting strategy, Penta Pay nearly wiped me out and it wasn't the progressive that saved me there, just a superb run on basegame hits including the 1000x max basegame win. (And remember on my first day on The Joker, it had £300 off me!)

As an aside I just had a look through my screenshots gallery at 3Dice to see if I have any for The Joker, the win on my screenshot isn't impressive (160x), but what is very interesting is the size of the progressive.....

£13,761.50p! So it can clearly stick around for a lot, lot longer than it has this time!

 

[Reelsoffun]

Without knowing the math you are not going to know if it got that high due to natural deviation odds or if it had been hit but it had been missed due to someone not playing max coins when hit.

Although my slot was designed so 1 coin players could still win the progressive (eg landing it on line 1), people rarely did for fear they hit it on say line 3 when only line 1 in play, playing all 5 lines makes it 5 times easier to hit progressive ( "The Joker" don't have that) and no chance of missing it.

My slot while it was in the wild only ever got to about 17k from memory from a seed of 2.5k but mathematically it should be hit in less than half that LOL someone just sat on it till it hit after that and made very nice profit.

This is why slot math of this nature is secret tho as otherwise syndicated players could target +EV situations.

 

[Reelsoffun]

So you could also argue that local progressives are unfair due to someone with enough money to see it out in those situations compared to someone with limited bankroll, and was probably one reason the UKGC didn't move forward on CAT A games.

 

[mulven]

Enjoyed reading this thread yesterday.... delighted to see that you actually hit it! It's a shame LLS got in the way of you clean sweeping the leaderboard. I do love the transparency 3dice has with their proprietary software, that zeitgeist page is a beaut.

 

[jasonuk]

Given they were 4 days prior, still a chance for the clean sweep when that name drops off the leaderboard

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Slightly interestingly people have been playing The Joker since the progressive went, it's referred to in this table as 'Double Dice' which is what 3Dice must call it on their backend (down at the bottom of the list).

For the progressive to have climbed £10.30p, based on what I saw with the contributions from my play means it's had £257.50p wagered through it, not much, but it is getting played and slowly climbing again.

Can't see me ever taking it on again, (well, maybe if it gets big enough......) but Penta Pay still hasn't gone, and there's always the option of going for the 'big boy' progressive on 3Dice, which is Battle of Bastogne, but at £8,910 that's pretty small at the moment, it can often be seen up at £15K and more.

That's one where the progressive is the same on whatever stake you play, but the chances of winning it increase with higher stakes, that said I've had the MINI jackpot twice on 50p spins, and the MAJOR has been won on small stakes. There's a thread here on CM somewhere where someone won the MAJOR on a 10p spin!

Note that in this list the single-liner progressives are shown based on max stake, so Penta Pay wouldn't be £24K if I was playing it on 20p spins.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Enjoyed reading this thread yesterday.... delighted to see that you actually hit it! It's a shame LLS got in the way of you clean sweeping the leaderboard. I do love the transparency 3dice has with their proprietary software, that zeitgeist page is a beaut.
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Yeah the Zeitgeist page is superb, a layer of transparency I really appreciate as you can see what their games have been paying out, and gives you a very good idea of what sort of big pays they're actually capable of.

Cleopatra's Conquest for example, which I hit the wildline on, has knocked out 6047x stake, which says to me someone's had two wildlines in the free spins round, presumably from the fully evolved reels.

 

[mulven]

Yeah the Zeitgeist page is superb, a layer of transparency I really appreciate as you can see what their games have been paying out, and gives you a very good idea of what sort of big pays they're actually capable of.

I've recently had a hyper fixation of making my own little list of slots and their rtp/maxwin and any important notes. I love when a provider has a datasheet or clearly states the exact RTP and max win as it makes my data entry that much quicker! PG Soft had a habit of until a year or two ago, advertising a theoretical max (infinity spins) and an observed max win (a billion or more spins). Flirting Scholar was advertised as 22500x max win but will only pay out around 1407x (observed in a billion simulated spins). After finding their repository of gamesheets I was able to correct all the misinformation! The games from before still have those unrealistic numbers advertised but thankfully all their newer games only advertise the observed wins.

After hearing about all the praise for 3Dice from Casinomeister (and their awards), I decided to add True/Odds games to my list and some games weren't clear on max win or couldn't be easily deduced so when I found the zeitgeist page I was overjoyed as I could, at the very least have guideline numbers as well as some of my guesses being confirmed. In the case of cleopatra I had assumed that one wild line was the max win but due to the page updated my entry. I wish every provider had a page like this, would be wonderful.

 

[jasonuk]

After hearing about all the praise for 3Dice from Casinomeister (and their awards), I decided to add True/Odds games to my list and some games weren't clear on max win or couldn't be easily deduced so when I found the zeitgeist page I was overjoyed as I could, at the very least have guideline numbers as well as some of my guesses being confirmed. In the case of cleopatra I had assumed that one wild line was the max win but due to the page updated my entry. I wish every provider had a page like this, would be wonderful.

The mistake here is giving credibility to the term "max win", which is an artificial win cap. Traditional slots - including those at 3Dice - don't actually cap the multiplier by stake, but will have a maximum liability (in currency) to prevent them owing infinity dollars if that perfect game round comes in.

For most providers (although PlayNGo is an exception), when they say "win up to" it'll be a guide of what the best single spin is, rather than a cap. So in the case of 3Dice's Cleopatra it's theoretically possible to get more than one wild line in a bonus - and so far one lucky player has managed it.

Of course, some providers take that to the extreme too - Pragmatic have declared some laughably impossible "win up to" numbers over the years... most slots will quote based on their 1-10 billion spins, some of those I doubt you'd see in a trillion...

As always, there's an irony of how the scratchcard providers are the ones pushing "max wins" as marketing bait, when they have complete control (no subsequent RNG calls) of the game round... hey you just won 65,000x... but wait, 5,000x cap