Playing at one of the rogues...

[4 of a kind]

I recently became a member here. Been playing online poker and casinos for a good ten years. After the UIGEA most of all the good online casinos disappeared for U.S. players. I became a platinum vip player at one of the casinos I was playing at and still excepted U.S. players. While looking for another one or two good casinos that excepted U.S., of course I eventually came across this forum.

While checking the rouge list I found the casino I play at (wont mention the name here) was on the list. I was rather surprised and felt nervous at first. Any cash outs were always a long time, and actually thought it was the norm. Since I became a platinum vip their about 2/3 years ago, I automatically receive a 250% bonus on my deposits of $200.00 dollars or more, with no play through and no max cash out, with any game they offer. If I loose I then get a 100% deposit match insurance, with 10xs play and 10xs max cash out.

Here is a list of recent pay-outs with time to receive money.

Date cashed out: Amount: Date Approved: Date Received
11/02/09 2500.00 11/19/09 12/05/09 - 33d
12/07/09 1200.00 12/22/09 01/06/00 - 30d
01/11/00 700.00 01/29/00 02/06/00 - 20d
02/16/00 1100.00 02/25/00 03/13/00 - 25d
02/21/00 1000.00 03/16/00 04/06/00 - 44d
03/15/00 2570.00 03/28/00 04/22/00 - 38d
03/29/00 1900.00 04/13/00 still waiting...

I agree the time to receive the money is long but it always came. I have tried 3 of the accredited casinos here taking sign-up bonuses, never once completing the play through requirements. I even tried depositing and not excepting any bonus, still no luck.

Of course I also understand where I receive the vip treatment, if I were having my way with them, I certainly wouldnt be receiving that type of bonuses. As good as the cash-outs look, I lost more then I cashed out. But endless entertainment.

I certainly don't recommend to anyone reading this to even consider playing at a listed rouge casino. If I read this forum before I started to play their of course I would of never made a deposit.

But as long as I'm getting paid, and the money eventually gets here, I'm still okay with it. Just can't seem to get any type of action any where else, regardless of the size of my deposits.

When things get cold, I like to try other casinos. Guess I'll keep trying.

Not sure why the list didn't stay in proper order. Looked good when I typed it.

 

[LaurieJim]

A rogue is a rogue is a rogue............ casino!!!!!!!!!! Its your business, but id count my lucky stars and money and get the hell away from there,they dont call them rogues for nothing................laurie

 

[Pinababy69]

It's people like you that keep these assholes in business. And what's worse is that some poor newbie will come here and read this thread, and say "hey, see it's okay to play there....this person always gets paid".

When you get screwed over, and you will....you deserve it.

BTW, it's roGUe, not rouge....and you don't lOOse your money, you lose it.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Hey, 99.9% I agree with what you all say but jeez...give this guy a break! Do your best to impart the wisdom but can you not scare him to death? I'd run and never look back....he obviously is looking for some input here not ridicule. If he learns the hard way so be it...he knows the rogue list and any newcomer has to weigh all the options out there. Start screaming if you want I have thick skin but all I'm saying is maybe he is looking for a little guidance. IMHO....this is my opinion only doesn't amount to a hill of beans but there it is......have a good day


P.S. Not everyone runs spellcheck all the time

 

[4 of a kind]

Sorry to offend you so much Pinababy69, just from sharing my experience with the forum. When I started to play there several years ago I didnt even know casinomeister existed until about 6 months ago.

Also, very sorry to have misspelled ROGUE, and for using the word loose instead of lose. Could be from all the poker I play. I was very happy to see you were still able to figure out what I was trying to say.

If you IM me on all the topics you dislike, I will certainly avoid writing about them in the future.

Hope you can accept this post as my apology.

 

[winbig]

03/29/00 1900.00 04/13/00 still waiting...

9 years for a withdrawal?

How about the flipside....you've listed your withdrawal amounts, but now how about listing how much you've deposited over the lifetime of your account? Maybe that's why they want to keep paying you in order to extract even more money from you over the long run.

 

[chayton]

IMO waiting for 48 hours for a payout is plenty long enough - waiting for over a month to get paid would move a casino to the top of my own personal rogue list and I doubt I'd play there again. But that's just me...!

 

[chayton]

it's funny though - the OP has a point, I played a free chip at a rogue casino and won and won and won....I actually made playthrough several times over but since I hadn't ever deposited and didn't want to send them my info I treated it as play money and eventually lost the lot. But it did seem like their slots were a little looser than at the accredited RTGs - maybe it was coincidence or maybe it's the old "bait and switch" routine.

 

[4 of a kind]

9 years for a withdrawal?

How about the flipside....you've listed your withdrawal amounts, but now how about listing how much you've deposited over the lifetime of your account? Maybe that's why they want to keep paying you in order to extract even more money from you over the long run.

LOL I see I entered 00 instead of 09 several times on the list. Damn, nothing gets by here.

Of course I'm a loser overall. The dollar amount is not important. It's what I'm comfortable with losing. I love the action, and occasionally withdraw large amounts.

Every casino I play at, including live, is way ahead of me. Only from playing poker I'm way ahead, and that's from coming second in a million dollar tourney.

 

[Rebel2k5]

It's people like you that keep these assholes in business. And what's worse is that some poor newbie will come here and read this thread, and say "hey, see it's okay to play there....this person always gets paid".

When you get screwed over, and you will....you deserve it.

BTW, it's roGUe, not rouge....and you don't lOOse your money, you lose it.

I use to think this was one of the last forums where all the users were laid back and nice.

You proved my thinking to be wrong. Thanks

 

[vegetagirl2008]

I use to think this was one of the last forums where all the users were laid back and nice.

You proved my thinking to be wrong. Thanks

You have to understand we cannot be "laid back" when it come to rogue casinos. We look out for each other on this forum and for someone to say that a rouge casino has been paying, well good for them, others haven't been so lucky. If you look around this forum and see for yourself then you will change your perception of the members here.

 

[vinylweatherman]

LOL I see I entered 00 instead of 09 several times on the list. Damn, nothing gets by here.

Of course I'm a loser overall. The dollar amount is not important. It's what I'm comfortable with losing. I love the action, and occasionally withdraw large amounts.

Every casino I play at, including live, is way ahead of me. Only from playing poker I'm way ahead, and that's from coming second in a million dollar tourney.

The bonus and insurance structure looks like a Virtual Group RTG casino. If you are a loser overall, they WILL pay you (slowly). Another member here fell into this trap, playing there and getting paid. Once they managed to get ahead though, the attitude changed, they didn't seem so keen to pay, but by this time forum members were warning her this would happen, and when it did, she saw the light.

Rogue casinos obviously have to pay SOME players, otherwise they would not have any. It is WINNERS they don't like paying, and will often stall payment, or try other tricks, in the hope they will lose it back and never realise that they were getting screwed over.

 

[4 of a kind]

Rogue casinos obviously have to pay SOME players, otherwise they would not have any. It is WINNERS they don't like paying, and will often stall payment, or try other tricks, in the hope they will lose it back and never realise that they were getting screwed over.

I totally agree with this statement. I've been playing there for years before becoming a member here. I've had many large cash-outs over the years, but can assure you, I am a much larger depositor. With no doubt I fall into the players bracket.

After reading several posts here, I'm confident if one day I really spike them, I'll be hung out to dry.

Trying hard to find a new casino home, one of the reasons I'm at this forum. But not getting a bang for my buck anywhere I try to this point, but certainly not going to stop trying.

The information here along with the refreshing posts about straight up sites, makes this the obvious place to be while shopping for a new one: and a good place to share experiences...

 

[jas2587]

Sorry to offend you so much Pinababy69, just from sharing my experience with the forum. When I started to play there several years ago I didnt even know casinomeister existed until about 6 months ago.

Also, very sorry to have misspelled ROGUE, and for using the word loose instead of lose. Could be from all the poker I play. I was very happy to see you were still able to figure out what I was trying to say.

If you IM me on all the topics you dislike, I will certainly avoid writing about them in the future.

Hope you can accept this post as my apology.

she only spanked ya wait till she cracks that whip of hers on ya then look out

Cindy

 

[winbig]

The bonus and insurance structure looks like a Virtual Group RTG casino. If you are a loser overall, they WILL pay you (slowly). Another member here fell into this trap, playing there and getting paid. Once they managed to get ahead though, the attitude changed, they didn't seem so keen to pay, but by this time forum members were warning her this would happen, and when it did, she saw the light.

omg, I remember this, but I can't remember who it was!!!!! It was like every post was PRAISING this rogue group, and then one day when she won a little too much, they spanked her and sent her on her way with her money.

Then every post after that, this same group she was praising was then the epitome of all evil, and all of their games were RIGGED...after she started losing of course....lmao

now I remember who it was!!!

debbiek.

Everyone kept telling her that she was going to get burned, but she just ignored us and kept playing at that group. What happened? She got burned. It's not good that she got burned, but it just made matters worse that she was bitching about it, and had no right to, when everyone was telling her it would happen, sooner or later.

hmm, she's banned now. "Charge backs at Rushmore."

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

 

[Pinababy69]

Gee, so sorry I'm not Mary Poppins......and that some were offended by what I had to say.

You don't like it, put me on ignore. FTR, Bryan himself has said a whole lot worse to posters who come on here bragging about how they play at a rogue, and gosh golly gee whiz.....they've always been paid.

Do you not realize that it's people like you who keep these shitholes in business? AND allow them to rip off the unsuspecting player? There is NO excuse for people like the OP, none. They are fully aware that they are playing at a rogue clip joint....they can't claim they didn't. Why even come to this site, if you're not going to listen to advice given to you.

Some may view this site as "laid back".....maybe that's the problem. Too many hugs and kisses and pats on the back, and less attention by posters on some pretty serious issues.....ie. rogue casinos just for one. How about a few less threads on "I lost again playing slots" or "Gosh golly, Louise is wonderful"....and more discussion on things like Malta and different gaming jurisdictions, the Tusk/Microgaming issue that has millions of player dollars tied up, the Casino Club mess and Malta's inactivity on that one....the list goes on. But I know.....very few want to be bothered actually reading the "boring" stuff and getting involved in issues that matter. They'd rather look at pretty winning screenshots, spin slots and whine when they lose.

I'm not here to make friends, and if I offend you....ignore me. Simple as that. And if you KNOWINGLY play at rogue casinos, especially places like Virtual....you not only deserve to get burned.....I hope you do. Maybe that will "cure" you of your fascination with these places, and how wonderful you think they are.

Bryan must just shake his head and wonder why he bothers making a rogue list when he reads posts like this.

EDIT: For those people who think I'm so awful for pointing out the obvious.....here was one of Bryan's responses to a two year member of this forum who got burned by Cool Cat, yet another Virtual shithole.

Um...you're a member here for over two years and you haven't visited the Rogue section?

Cool Cat Casino has been listed there for years.

What's wrong with you?

What is wrong with these people for sure? The poster in that thread wasn't even aware of a Rogue List, so whether that's an excuse or not...I don't know. But to make a thread like this, when you are FULLY AWARE that you are playing at one of the worst places there is.....is so wrong. It gives the wrong impression to newbies who may come here and read, that they do indeed pay, at least some people.

The first person who posted after the OP, Lauriejim...also used to play at rogues ie. Virtual. And she used to defend posters who came on here posting threads like this...saying we should "take it easy" on them. You might wanna give this thread a read. This pretty much cured Laurie of her fascination with Virtual. And yes, she was one of those who always got paid, just like the OP.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...secrets-behind-palace-of-chance-casino.26678/

There was another poster who came on here shilling for Virtual a couple years back, I think it was Club Player....and in that case, Bryan asked him if he was brain dead, or brain damaged. I think what I said was mild in comparison. There are no holds barred when it comes to the rogues...especially Virtual. You are playing with fire and you're going to get burned. When you do, don't come whining...don't want to hear it.

 

[RobWin]

I use to think this was one of the last forums where all the users were laid back and nice.

You proved my thinking to be wrong. Thanks

Hey now...I'm wayyyy laid back and nice too most of the time, actually wayyyy too nice for my own good you could say..

 

[same_old]

It's not just that 4 of a kind, these guy's take a mafia approach to there customers. if you read over casinomeister ealrier posts you would see some horiffic things that these guys did..

One client went to Costa rica and went to one of the establsihments and was escorted out of the building by security guards etc.

One of the managers for these rogue outfits also has a bloody gun when he is on shift at work and shoots the computer monitors when he is angry..

as you say they have to pay SOME people and you seem to be that SOME person, I bet you have given so much more than you have taken..

Basically at the end of the day give your money to the peoplpe that want your business and give you peice of mind and A1 class service. go play at somewhere like 32Red or 2Dice.. they make sure the player experince is top notch so you should be giving your play time there...

Seriousle those massive bonuses and insurance etc etc you get is not that big of a deal at the end of the day.

Regards

Same_old

 

[4 of a kind]

Gee, so sorry I'm not Mary Poppins......and that some were offended by what I had to say.

You don't like it, put me on ignore. FTR, Bryan himself has said a whole lot worse to posters who come on here bragging about how they play at a rogue, and gosh golly gee whiz.....they've always been paid.

Do you not realize that it's people like you who keep these shitholes in business? AND allow them to rip off the unsuspecting player? There is NO excuse for people like the OP, none. They are fully aware that they are playing at a rogue clip joint....they can't claim they didn't. Why even come to this site, if you're not going to listen to advice given to you.

It's obvious you have a problem understanding what you read. I certainly didn't post anything, bragging about a rogue. My posts are pure fact, and explain how I ended up at one.

But I would like to take some of your advice. Can you please explain to me where and how to activate that ignore button you mentioned.

With the amount of posts you made, I'm not certain I could take much more of you.

 

[same_old]

4 of a kind, sorry matey if you have been offended here, some of us are old ducks at this site and have seen SOOO many posts about these rogue outfits most of them being complaints, when you have been here for a few years you see the type of tactics they pull on people and you become so shocked at how they can stay in operation.

They are truly the worst of the worst in the online gambling world, no different to 419 scammers etc...

You have come to the forum in the last few day's and posted about one of these rogues and honestly kudos to you if you are happy there and dont see a problem with the times when you get your money but you get beautiful peoplpe like pina who is a very good natured person from what I know of her, she likes to look out for the little guy/gal such as yourself.
I hope you can see what she was saying from a different popint of view or take it with a grain of salt because at the end of the day she was just trying to look out for you.

Us old ducks just cringe when we see a thread about rogue casino's is all, this is one of the mains reasons for this site- to out bastards such as the prism outfit and the likes of them, we will scream to the hills to make anyone and everyone who wants to know that they are bad bad bad.

Regards

Pete

 

[chayton]

Only from playing poker I'm way ahead, and that's from coming second in a million dollar tourney.

Wow, that's incredible...how much did second pay?

 

[4 of a kind]

Just finished reading the whole thread about the Lauriejim and Mystic issue with a Virtual casino back in 08. Very interesting and sad.

Once again I would like to remind the cm family here, that I am a new member.

When I started playing online poker in 1998, I eventually started to play at online casinos probably around 2000. Before 1998 and to the present I still am a frequent visitor to land based casinos. With the endless hours and money I invested into online poker and live action, along with the endless grind of waiting for long-term, good play to be rewarded, it was becoming boring just trying to keep my bankroll above water and in the green. Yes, I did come in second in a million dollar tournament online and won $117,000.00 dollars. (11/26/06) at party poker. Ive concluded whats best for me after 11 years of playing online poker, that cash games online unless being played for crazy dollars, the long-term expected outcome requires way to much time to be effective. Making an occasional visit and having a great time with a couple hundred bucks is one thing. But to really try and squeeze out a profit from cash games is a huge task. If I were working for someone and getting paid for the amount of hours invested in online poker, I would be way ahead. This of course relates to the cash table grind. After spiking the big bucks in a tournament, I now only concentrate on playing big purse tournaments, and satellites trying to get into them for cheap. In two and a half years after my win, I have given back to online poker about 22k, which also includes several smaller wins between 2k and 6k. Trying to win another big online tournament is also a huge task. I will give it another two and a half years, willing to lose the same amount I already lost before I pull the plug on this strategy. This strategy requires a big bankroll to try, and thanks to my lucky win I can give this a shot. Hopefully spiking a big pay seat in a big tournament once in every five years, should keep anyone way ahead.

Being a new member, I just wanted to give some of my background here and do understand there is a separate place for poker chat. So now Ill get back to the online casino stuff.

During and between the years of 2000 to 2007, I became a vip player at 3 well known casinos. Never once experiencing problems with cash-outs from any of the three casinos I played at, other then some taking longer then others. But always received my money and never had a reason to pursue new sites. Was happy with the three sites and had no problems. After the new U.S. law in 2007, two of the three casinos I was playing at withdrew from the U.S., including my favorite poker site Party Poker. Of course leaving me with one VIP site, which turns out to ROGUE.

Had I not been searching for new U.S. accepting sites recently, I still would have never known that where I was playing was ROGUE.

Although I read the ROGUE list here and saw the casino I play at listed, I wasnt sure what to make of it. I obviously missed all the bad news posted about this site, and certainly wasnt reading anything about it as it is old news here to the veterans.

This thread I started was just sharing my present experiences with the site, and after reading whats really up with them of course I will pull the plug their. Its obvious I get paid from them, because the long-run is good for them. But if I catch the big one, how could I expect to get paid after reading all this crap.

Becoming a member here has no doubt saved me allot of heartache in the future, when I probably would have been thinking I finally got them.

Thanks for your input.

P.S. Pinababy69 you need to chill a little

 

[spearmaster]

Ok everyone... chill.

No more warnings - just vacations.

Thanks.

 

[Casinomeister]

Hi 4 of a Kind - and welcome to the forum.

As you have found out, some of us get riled when we see good money being thrown to the bottom feeders, but you're a new member here, and admittedly didn't know what was up in rogue-land.

At least you didn't name the casino, that was a good move on your part since you'd be hammered by the members for being a shill. Now that would be an experience you'd want to forget.

Since you're new, please check out the "Spot the Rogue" section, and please peruse the "Accredited Casino " section which lists casinos that are US friendly. And pleeeease subscribe to our newsletter so you can keep up to date on what's happening in Casinomeisterland.

And in defense of Pinababy - sure, she gets riled up at times, she's one heck of a fire-cracker, but her postings are the outspoken ying to our mellow yang. You'd be missing out on a lot of good content by ignoring her - she's really in touch with what is going on in the players' realm and has a lot to offer here.

 

[skiny]

I played at a few rogue casinos before I knew what a rogue casino was. I hit a $4000 jackpot at one once and was paid in two installments. Of course I didnt receive the first payment until I hounded them on a daily basis every way I knew how for about 6 weeks. The second didn't come till quite a while after that. I think I quoted their payment policy to them so many times I learned it by heart. They were politely being jerks about the whole thing but I can be a bit of a jerk sometimes too. And when someone owes me money I can be endlessly stubborn as well. Getting my money from them had become sort of a hobby.

Do yourself a favor and just use the casinos in the accredited list. At least if theres a problem you wont be sitting alone in the dark. At the very least you wont be the only one looking for an answer. If you have a problem with a rogue casino all youre going to get is I told you so. (If you're lucky.)