Players Accounts closed for "RISK MANAGEMENT"

I was at first impressed by what I was reading, but it seemed to go a little overboard in the 'troll' red herring, (confusion and 'ad hominem' attack rather than issue).

I would hope that the admin there (because I laud what they are doing if true, and no reason to not believe it is not true) will pursue the issue, sort the object from the subject, and report the results. They don't seem to want to do it here, and that's okay I guess.

I know very little of Bingo sites other than (in my opinion, based on limited experience) that many seem to be hoaky. If somebody is out there, being a voice for the unlearned and learned, bully, boowah, HO!!! They have my support.

But if someone is selling crappy burgers in my neighborhood, and I'm an advocate for the consumer, I'm going to leverage my influence by taking each side of the issue seriously before I let an associate lay claims of salmonilla. And if the meatguy comes around and denies everything, I'm going to publish, concisely, the facts that are contrary to his statements.

Maybe BPU will do the same.

Not many people are altruistic in these discussions. And motive means a lot. Follow the money, even if the path is twisted.

wildheart can't be painted as a shill or affiliate so must be a troll. Bingo might have bone to chew, but isn't ashilliated, and me? I'm just an enigma and can disappear from these discussions anytime with no regret.
 
What a complete waste of 8 pages of memory on the server. I'm sorry I ever looked in the bingo section. Never again my friends.


Don't be so hasty, there may be something here.

Grammas could be getting ripped off, and others may be blowing dark smoke. We don't know.
 
It has been brought to my attention that I started something I had intended to walk away from for no other reason than I did not want to deal with BingoT and his snide remarks. I stand corrected. I did have a mission when I came in here, and I still do. I will try to address questions put to me and not create a novel, although sometimes short answers do not get the job done. Please bear with me.

lojo said:
No disrespect if I'm mistaken... but haven't I read accusations that BPU makes unsubstantiaited claims and gets all riled up before the facts are in?

I am sure you have read all kinds of things about BPU, some true and some not.. I cannot answer this particular question for you.

lojo said:
Of course it may be a freedom of speech issue to you, but it is any business's right to accept or decline customers for any or no reason.

... yes you are so right, the sites can do whatever they want , whenever they want. For me, the "freedom of speech" is just the tip of the iceberg. I believe that this "inhome entertainment" as it has been called by sites make ALL the rules. It is the players choice whether to play there or not. I feel it is my responsibility as a watchdog to make the bingo playing community aware of new rules and decisions made by these sites. I feel now and always have that if a site is implemnting a "new" rule, that players should be made aware of it. It would be great if they knew BEFORE that rule goes into effect.

lojo said:
Now if you got kicked out of a forum for reporting your experiences, that would be another story.

With due respect, what other story could there be? For instance, I could tell about my bad experience at any forum about any site. IF that site takes that "review" as bad mouthing, and then decided to close my account, whether there is money in it or not, I believe that is wrong! Just because we want to play bingo from the comfort of our homes is not reason to sell our soul to do so. Far be it from me to rock the boats of any players who are happy with these newly implemented, unannounced rules. At the same time, it is my right to advise players what HAS happened to just one or to ten million players at any given site. Is it so wrong to let the sites know that we do not agree with what they are doing?

For the time being, I will pass commenting on major portion of the letter from CB management. I am in the process of going throught every thread and every complaint in BPU to ascertain what we said was true. I called myself doing that before I posted here, but I am being very thorough so I do not have to do it again. NavyMom has posted proof here that she was definitely a victim of "account closed due to activities in open forum". Please do not treat that like it is unimportant. One player issue is JUST as important as 100. I must also ask myself, how many players have NOT spoken publicly because these sites CAN opt to close their accounts if they do. In my opinion, that is blackmail, pure and simple.

As a player anywhere, I believe if a site, whether poker or bingo, closed your account, with no explanation, no prior notice, and absolutely NO support response, it may tend to make you angry and indignant. I know it would me.

silk print said:
What I do not understand is how a bingo or casino can let someone make an account at various places and then hold it agains them after the fact

Casino A owns casinos 1 -100
You don't know they own those and make an account at 23 and 46 .After the fact they can do whatever they want because you broke the rules?
Casinos and Bingo ARE taking advantage of the way things are right now .

Just as a Info only Navy mom has been around the forums since forever.

IMHO is people here started having their accounts closed just for saying playing at XYZ casino stinks right now or they can't win anything there would be alot of pissed off people ..there are a couple of threads going right now that say this and I don't see them having their accounts closed for it . Pretty much only a junky outfit would pull that ..

Nor do I understand or condone it. Obviously their software CAN recognize it, otherwise their reason for closing these accounts due to "multiple account abuse" would be null and void now wouldn't it?

When sites refuse to answer inquiries, or respond to player issues, I get frustrated. Handling things like this "professionally" would be a pleasure to me! These players pay for the right to play at these sites. They should at least have the courtesy of prior notice and an explanation from the sites who are paying their help and banking the profits from this players funds before closing down their accounts.

I see members here at Meisters have "thanked" CB corp for their post that states "it should be noted that one of the primary reasons is that they were all interrelated accounts and in violation of multiple account rules among other things". Please read this carefully... ONE of the primary reasons, and AMONG OTHER THINGS would be of major concern to me if I were the player whose account had been closed. It is a major concern to me and I am not a player. What is "among other things"??? What are the other "primary reasons"?

lojo said:
Sissy, If there are points to be made, and questions to be answered, you might do some good by stating facts, asking and answering questions here; rather than 'resigning'.

All I care about is the truth and the facts.

Stick around and make apoint if it is important, please?

Thank you lojo. You are correct. I apologize and will do my best to follow up and finish what I started.


silk print said:
Is anyone posting in this thread an affiliate with these bingos?

I am not an affiliate with any site. That takes a $$$$ investment, and I have not made one.

lojo said:
Also, it seemed like she expected this to be treated as a PaB without actually filing one (which she couldn't right now) but as the current status of PaB shows, a player - and certainly an advocate - should do their due diligence before going that route.

I can just about hear the snickering, but I have to say, I do not even know what a PaB is. If you care to explain I will gladly add to my education by listening and learning. Thanks. Sissy still has a lot to learn about these forums and the job she does. If I ever get finished learning, I will be done. Thanks for the pointers. I have come a long way in 3 years. Still a very long road ahead.

I have been around long enough to recognize "control damage" personnel. The reason I posted here was to get attention on this issue. I do believe I stated that in my first post. Looking at the number of views it has had, it is definitely getting some attention. Another reason to post here is the lack of response from the CB Corporation. This is not the first and will not be the last time I have to go to these measures just to get an answer from management of a bingo site. They like to pretend I don't exist. Well I do! I have a right to my opinions the same as all of you. I make a point of believing what I post due to "proof" or the word of a trusted individual.

I have been approached by players who are in fact running scams on a bingo site. When I find that. I post it. When it is my opinion that the sites are running a scam on a players I will also post that! Sometimes documentation is asked to be kept confidential and I will always honor that. When I can post it I do.

My apologies for my unprofessional and "moment of anger" resignation, but I am so tired of some posters here picking apart everything I say or do, at the moment I posted it, it seemed like the right thing to do to keep from saying something I would be sorry for. I will address that in another thread, so as to not lose site of the reason this one was started. I will be posting more information and an in depth review of all threads at BPU concerning the "players accounts closed due to posting in public forums" as soon as I can have it ready and hopefully, above reproach.
 
Sissy, thank you for coming back.

It's Saturday night in the Northwest and I'm a bit too lit to say much more than welcome back and, Thank You.

I have been approached by players who are in fact running scams on a bingo site. When I find that. I post it. When it is my opinion that the sites are running a scam on a players I will also post that! Sometimes documentation is asked to be kept confidential and I will always honor that. When I can post it I do.


Looking forward.
 
Sissy I say the same.
This back Stabing shit has to stop.
And just maybe this bingo group will reply to all this again and get it all done and over with.
That was the best reply from you I have ever seen.
Thank You
 
I have been up all night researching BPU for facts that are pertinent to our accusations that the
CB Corp are abusing their "risk management" rule. After reading and rereading the post by CB Corp, listening to input and requests for proof. I have limited this post to only complaints about these sites, and the outcome. I believe the "risk management" is such a blanket rule, that NO ONE has explained in a satisfactory manner to any players affected by it, that it could cover whatever does not have a "category". We have shown proof of one players accounts (NavyMom) closed. I have shown many players who never received their withdrawal requests for a number of reasons. Some never knew why they didn't get theirs because management never responded to them.

There are several who actually did get their monies, but had to jump through hoops and wait until the site involved was good and ready to pay them. If the following information is not enough to show someone how business is run at the CB Corp games, I guess I will have to dig deeper.

There are other issues concerning account closures that do not involve CB Corp, but believe me, I am compiling a list of all players who have been banned from chat or had accounts closed and for what reasons. Inquiring minds might want to know. All posted is as of this minute.. if anything new happens I will update.

NavyMom:
Accounts closed by BingoSky specifically for being a member at BPU.

Dannyboy29:
Account closed by CyberBingo
your account(s) and all accounts affiliated to you (predominantly with the Dixon last name) have been closed from our website and all partner websites. Your account did not receive a favourable score from our risk management department after undergoing a risk assessment check.
Danny is still waiting for his pay out due to UNAUTHORIZED debits by CyberBingo on his account 110 Lira. Danny provided us with screen shots of his banking acct.

Golfnuts: BingoZest, CyberBingo and DailyExpress bingo.uk
accounts closed, reason given "Risk Management"
owed 2oolbs
No response from support AT ALL.

ANTZ: bingoexpress bingo.uk closed accounts of husband and wife
reason: because we said the site looked like another one we go in lol thats all, no warning nothing just got disabled

mozza: account closed at bingosky & bingo zest... she posted proof (email from manager Justin Clarke & email from Zest ANNA in support)
reason: risk management

westie: unpaid wins by bingozest I have proof in the form of emails to westie from Bingozest
Player won 1/2 of a TOH coverall. Amount $2500.00 (his part)
bingozest was emailed several times and westie finally got a reply saying it was an error and the wrong pattern had played. He was offered $250. as a token apology for a $2500.00 win. Zest implied that
Westie was aware it was a wrong pattern. At the time the game played, he was on prebuy and not even at his computer playing the game. His win was also listed in the newsletter as top winner for the week.
I never received ONE response from Jason on this issue and as far as I know Westie was never paid. Eventually his account was closed.

eveofpeace: BingoZest non payment of a $5000.00 win
Never a response of any kind from Jason the manager of BingoZest.
To my knowledge, she never received this payout.

I believe there were some statement(s) about me calling CB Corp site liars...
1/ Copied/pasted from LiveChat at Bingo Sky just a few minutes ago...

Breanna: Welcome to BingoSKY Support. How may I help you today?
you: Hi, I need some information about your site
you: I heard you were a sister site of Cyberbingo to which I also belong and am afraid I might be breaking a 'multiple accounts' rule if you are
Breanna: No, we are a stand alone site

2/ Posted proof message from Zest in response to a question about Zest being "related to any other sites "
"First off, there are no related called "sister sites" BingoZEST.COM is its own entity, we do not believe in the affiliate programme which saturates the industry. As regards the inconveniences you have experienced ALL of these are been followed closely since day one and FULLY investigated, promptly a response will be originated. Any inquiries regarding pay outs must be addressed directly through our management staff, where a very HIGH security breach is placed tracing multiple accounts.

Penguin: Complaint with BingoZest.. non payment of $100.00 win
Email Proof....
"Manager" at bingozest confirmed Penguin had multiple accounts and froze his payments. He was told it was "totally illegal" to have multiple accounts and that "by law" they should inform the gaming authorities and payment platforms about Pens actions. He was asked to apologize to CM's for "comments made" and to take FULL responsibility due to "your act in multiple accounts".

Next.. account disabled. Then opened... next chat disabled... reason...
"When there are no funds to play with chatting with your friends become pointless" said by CM to Penguin in trouble ticket.

The multiple account decision was overturned and put behind them.
He got his payout on March 12 for $114.95. the first request for withdrawal was made on or about Jan 22. It took almost two months and an incredible amount of time, perseverance and an incredibly shabby treatment by Zest management and support on this issue.

Josie: Express Bingo .uk complaint... non payment of winnings 100 Lira(email and tt proof sent by Josie)
first posted complaint Sept 22, o7....NO response from management .
She eventually did receive her payout Oct 20, 2007. Another month nearly to process a $100.00 payout!

Far King Oats: Complaint: BingoZest site closed with $278 in Far's account. June 10,2007
reason: When Zest "closed" Far was in the hospital. When trying to login to Zest, he was rerouted to Alpha Bingo. The same thing happened to me SEVERAL times. Alpha told him they had nothing to do with bingozest. He states that he sent "much correspondence since March (2007) to management and never received one reply.

Debbiemf: BingoZest complaint non payment of $5000. withdrawal request
as far as I know, she never did get paid, but according to other players, her name was also added to the
"winners" advertisement portion Zest site.

Kwinkle: complaint CyberBingo not paying out 4-13-07 ($200.00)
(according to player) Denial first because of multiple accounts.
Second denial was because she hadn't deposited. 25 minutes after she posted this
info at BPU, she states.."all of the sudden today I am able to deposit with a card I have tried to use over and over, since the new legislation and it was denied...all of a sudden it works? weird".
Never ONE response from management despite many emails and TT.


Martiman: BingoZest complaint non payment of 110. Lira withdrawal request
We had only one post from this member, but I feel it necessary and fair to listen to
what (s)he has to say. Also complaints of NON RESPONSE.

bingomamma: CyberBingo non pay complaint 3-23-07 $5000.00
Payment requested 2-26-07. Management told her on 3-01-07. On 3-08-07 she tells us her cashout
has FINALLY been approved and it would take 3-5 business days to get to her. Then she gets... NO response from her many emails. We are 2 days shy of a month waiting for her payout.
Her emails show that on 3-23-07 she was FINALLY asked for more banking information, while all the time looking at her picture and quotes as a HUGE winner rode on the winners page at Cyber Bingo. On 3-26 momma posted that she was informed her ATM card had been mailed to her and she "should get it this week".
(Second "runaround").
On 3-31-07 bingomamma received her ATM card. She emailed the manager to let him know and received a reply that her card was activated and funds were loaded. She went to ATM to withdraw and her transaction was denied. She checked the balance and it was negative $4.00. Emailed manager.. no response yet.
04-03-07 Funds FINALLY loaded on card. Took from 02-26-07 through 04-03-07.
 
Sissy,
If I am understanding correctly. Only two players are waiting on payouts? A few others you're not sure about due to they haven't updated you? So the two players are Dannyboy29: owed 110 and Golfnuts: owed 200. Is this correct? If so, maybe sending an email to the site to inquire about the status of these two payouts? Anyway is it possible the hold up is due to multiple accounts?
 
Westie was never paid.. 2500.00
eveofpeace was never paid..5000.00
debbiemf was never paid.. 5000.00
I hope you didn't overlook those players and their amounts due.

Thanks for your suggestions to email the site. I honestly do not know how much more plain I can make this statement... The site managers from Cyberbingo OR Bingozest will NOT respond. They make a blanket statement like the one that was put here, but NO RESPONSE at all to personal emails, either to my queries OR from the player.

When I am asked for help on an issue, I require the party with the complaint to forward notice to the site involved that they have asked for our (BPU) help and are giving their permission for this site to correspond or "work with us" on a particular issue. I fully understand the rules about not discussing player accounts with anyone not connected to this account.

With every issue, I try to be as professional as I know how... to begin with. With every email I send and get no response to, I get more frustrated. The frustration turns to anger. Players pleas for any kind of response with no acknowledgement makes me even more angry. The final stage of my efforts for some kind of answers to these complaints is to post publicly, being honest and truthful, providing documented proof and/or a players word about what is happening.

Now I will ask you a few questions, if I may. What would you do? Am I to just let these issues be buried or ignored? Is there anyone else out there I can go to for help to resolve them? Have you ever fought for a player to see that he/she will at least get some kind of answers even if not the ones they are hoping to see, being treated like you are invisible?

I realize these sites we have under the spotlight do not like the position they are put in. They do not like us bringing it out in the open because negative feed does not do their business any good. There is an easy... VERY easy "fix" to this. Take care of your paying player issues and the forums won't be contacted for their help!

Without player funds they are dead meat and they know it! I did not create these issues, but in good conscience I cannot let them go unaddressed. I was one of those players. I know how it feels. So I continue to do what I do. Being ignored does not make issues go away. Addressing them and working toward equal satisfaction does.
 
PM'd as well.


Westie was never paid.. 2500.00
eveofpeace was never paid..5000.00
debbiemf was never paid.. 5000.00
Dannyboy29
Golfnuts

CB Corporate Management, do you recognize the account names above? (perhaps they use other aliases as logins, if so, Sissy at BPU can probably help you sort their identities)

It appears that there are unpayed accounts, can you explain this? Account by account? Are these the accounts that were interrelated by address, surname, IP address, etc.?

Also, according to a copied and pasted chat conversation with Navymans-mom (pcwarfare) in a chat with ada @ bingosky she was informed of a "managers note" on here profile that said her account was disabled because of posting on BPU. This is contrary to what you stated to us here. Was this an oversight on your part? Though it is your right to accept or deny any player for any reason as long as they have been paid in full - if this is a policy in your network people should be aware of it and you should be forthcoming about it.

I won't suggest how you should run your business, but is this sort of policy a best management practice? It is a technique used by rogue casinos and could make your operations to appear rogue.

Thank you for taking the time to look into this.

...Firstly, although dozens of accounts have been disabled by our Risk Management department in recent days, it should be noted that one of the primary reasons is that they were all interrelated accounts and in violation of multiple account rules among other things. This is something that the posters in question conveniently forget to mention on your forum and I assume they did not inform you of that fact. Simply put, they are not strangers to each other. They are in fact all part of one group sharing surnames, address information, etc. Secondly, the accusation that these individuals were disabled for posting on your forum is completely false as we were not aware of their postings until after we were contacted by you and the accounts were already disabled.


We would like to further comment that all members who have been closed from our website have been paid any legitimate moneys owed to them. Specifics have been disclosed to the ring of players in this case that were affected by the use of our policy. As Im sure you would agree, we cannot disclose the specifics concerning the disabling of these members to a public forum as it would violate the privacy rights held by all members whether disabled or not.



Regards,


CB Corporation Management
 
I looked at every place you said and I'll tell ya what a joke they all are.
I email ed all of them and some came back to me as unknown address.some are no longer a bingo.and one I seen was a set up for a porn site for you to join.
But the one's I did view I would not even tell a dog to play at.
Some sites are down for an upgrade and they tell ya to play at the sister site Bingo Hall and least I have respect for that one.
All I can say is when the new player looks at what I have seen I would think they can tell they are shady right from the start and not drop a dime in any of them.
This is why you have to play at one's that been around for sometime.
If a Bingo Site looks like crap stay far away.
 
We are asking players to put their focus on the following sites............ Bingozest.com, BingoZest.co.uk, AlphaBingo.net, CyberBingo.com, CyberBingo.co.uk , BingoSky.com and dailyexpress-bingo.com.

BingoT,
I'm not seeing that any of the above directed me to a porn site or Bingohall.:confused:
 
Worldbingohall.com is down for scheduled maintenance.
We will be back shortly.

In the mean time, please visit our sister site BingoHall where you will receive $5 free when you sign up.
------------------
The Banner was here
_______________

We apologise for any inconvenience caused,
Worldbingohall.com Development team.

I found afew like this.


~~~~~~
At bingoway oh sorry it was on the front page of the site.

This website may contain information, links, images and videos of sexually explicit material.
Permission to enter this Website and to view its contents is strictly limited to consenting adults who affirm that the following conditions apply:

That you are 18 years of age or older, and that you are voluntarily choosing to view and access this content for your own personal use.
That you intend to view the adult material in the privacy of your home, or in a place where there are no other persons viewing this material who are either minors, or who may be offended by viewing such material.
If all of these conditions apply to you, and you would like to continue, you are given permission to enter. If any of these conditions do not apply to you, you are under the age of 18, or such material offends you or if it's illegal to view such material in your community or you would prefer not to continue, please do not enter the website, please click the "exit" button now.

You must be 18 or older to view these pages. If you are not over 18, you are not allowed to view this site.

And I went by this list

Cyberbingo
WorldBingoHall
BingoBunnies
4BingoBingo
4LiveBingo
BingoBingo
BingoJackpots.com
Playbingoonline.com
ZingoBingo
BingoWay
BingoTastic
BingoStorm
MasterBingo
ExclaimBingo
HookedOnBingo
LadyluckBingo
Bahama-Bingo
ArcadeBingo
 
Does Worldbingohall.com fit into this puzzle somewhere too? :confused: I thought the thread was focused on only Bingozest.com, BingoZest.co.uk, AlphaBingo.net, CyberBingo.com, CyberBingo.co.uk , BingoSky.com and dailyexpress-bingo.com.
 
Most sites that are down for maintenance tell you that if you like you can join a sister site for some reason.
I would say if that person does go and see this and they join that sister site they have to get something for it.
 
Does Worldbingohall.com fit into this puzzle somewhere too? :confused: I thought the thread was focused on only Bingozest.com, BingoZest.co.uk, AlphaBingo.net, CyberBingo.com, CyberBingo.co.uk , BingoSky.com and dailyexpress-bingo.com.
This is what was said

CYBERBINGO NETWORK * if this network is also associated with BingoZest, Alpha Bingo, Bingofest, and BingoSky, and is owned by CB Corporation as mentioned in another area of this site, add the rest of the Cyberbingo Network to that list
Cyberbingo
WorldBingoHall
BingoBunnies
4BingoBingo
4LiveBingo
BingoBingo
BingoJackpots.com
Playbingoonline.com
ZingoBingo
BingoWay
BingoTastic
BingoStorm
MasterBingo
ExclaimBingo
HookedOnBingo
LadyluckBingo
Bahama-Bingo
ArcadeBingo
 
BingoBunnies Cyber bingo
4LiveBingo Cyber bingo
BingoBingo Cyber bingo
BingoWay Cyber bingo
BingoTastic Cyber bingo
BingoStorm Cyber bingo
ExclaimBingo Cyber bingo
HookedOnBingo Cyber bingo
LadyluckBingo Cyber bingo

Bahama-Bingo Doesn't Exist?
4BingoBingo Doesn't exist?

ZingoBingo Doesn't appear to be cyberbingo

ArcadeBingo NOT CYBERBINGO
WorldBingoHall NOT CYBERBINGO
MasterBingo NOT CYBERBINGO
BingoJackpots.com NOT CYBERBINGO
Playbingoonline.com NOT CYBERBINGO

All that say "NOT CYBERBINGO" are actually moot sites that direct to Bingohall/winward group
 
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Seems CB Corporation and Cyberbingo Network are not the same company? "Cyberbingo Network" appears to be BingoHall sites. Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) States "The CyberBingo Network Screenshots"

ADMINISTRATIVE PANEL DECISION

The Cyberbingo Corporation v. 207 Media Inc.

Case No. D2005-0714



1. The Parties

Complainant is The Cyberbingo Corporation, St. John’s Antigua, West Indies, Antigua and Barbuda, represented by Gowling Lafleur Henderson, LLP, Canada.

Respondent is 207 Media Inc., Oakville, Canada, represented by Law Office of Tapas K. Pain, Canada.

Full article can be seen at below link

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Looks kind of messy, duntit?

I just gave it a quick scan but it looks like xx and xx developed the parlay bingo software for cyberbingo, left the company, created i-cyberbingo domain that resolved to bingohall. They got spanked and had to resolve to cyberbingo.

Bingohall could possibly do the same thing to cyberbingo for 247bingohall and would probably (depending on origination date) get the same finding against cyberbingo

1. The domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the Complainant has rights; and

2. The Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name; and

3. The domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith.

But I don't know original registration dates so shouldn't speculate.:eek: And it's really none of my business :cool:
 
The way I understand it is, the following sites are NOT "CB Corp" sites. They ARE "Cyberbingo Network"(Bingohall) sites. Which are two separate companies? Someone please correct me If I'm wrong.

BingoBunnies Cyber bingo Network
4LiveBingo Cyber bingo Network
BingoBingo Cyber bingo Network
BingoWay Cyber bingo Network
BingoTastic Cyber bingo Network
BingoStorm Cyber bingo Network
ExclaimBingo Cyber bingo Network
HookedOnBingo Cyber bingo Network
LadyluckBingo Cyber bingo Network
 

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