Players Accounts closed for "RISK MANAGEMENT"

Well it shows they are paying the player and at times they do reply to the emails.


xxxxx,

As replied to your email earlier today.
Sorry Support does not have any more information. All I can suggest is that you email Manager. However, I assure you your withdrawals have been processed and on there way to your bank.

269243 10/17/2007 2:41 pm Withdrawal Approved Bank Account Payout Sent October 18 xxxx

269290 10/17/2007 5:22 pm Withdrawal Approved Bank Account Payout Sent October 18 xxxx

Regards,

Angel

BingoZest.UK Support
 
If people are not being paid and they followed the terms of the site, please ask them to post their experiences here. They will get help from someone! If they are fraudsters they will be publically humiliated to say the least.
 
I will pass but thanks to casinomeister for letting us waste his space!! You all have a great day! Bingo is the only online gambling I know anything about, so I will just stick to that.
 
To: The Bingo Player's Union

This letter is in response to emails received from your organization on October 19th and 20th related to the disabling of certain player accounts within our organization. To begin, I would like to clarify a couple of inaccuracies. Firstly, although dozens of accounts have been disabled by our Risk Management department in recent days, it should be noted that one of the primary reasons is that they were all interrelated accounts and in violation of multiple account rules among other things. This is something that the posters in question conveniently forget to mention on your forum and I assume they did not inform you of that fact. Simply put, they are not strangers to each other. They are in fact all part of one group sharing surnames, address information, etc. Secondly, the accusation that these individuals were disabled for posting on your forum is completely false as we were not aware of their postings until after we were contacted by you and the accounts were already disabled.



As far as why we have a Risk Management department, we are happy to explain. A risk management department (in one form or another) is not a new concept for pay-to-play online gambling websites. There is a need for all websites to solidly verify the identities of their customers and monitor all purchases and game activity. The obvious reason for this is the prevention of fraud. This is not only for our own safety, but that of our clientele and those people who may be victims of identity theft and whose information is being used online. Furthermore, beyond this being good policy for our own sake, it is required by all reputable online gambling authorities worldwide.



As part of the operations management team, we welcome the recommendations from our risk management department. They asses the existence of risk by:



- Identifying concerns such as the examples already given
- Concerns that are escalated as 'risk' require additional due diligence and may require additional documentation from the player and the monitoring player activity.
- Re-asses options for accommodating the risks
- Consultation session with the operations management
- Decision that may include the disabling of an account


The level of risk that determines the disabling of a players account is solely based on the comfort level and/or acceptability of the operator. This is an industry standard and is acknowledged by all members upon registration as per our rules and regulations. More specifically our Limits of Liability and Indemnification Statement states; The operator shall have the right to suspend or withdraw any participation at its absolute discretion. Personal details of all Players will remain confidential unless Players agree to their details being used for future publicity purposes.



In short, if a players identity, funding methods, or playing habits (including exhibiting signs of problem gambling) rise to a level where they are deemed more of a risk to our business than an asset, we are well within our rights to stop that player from playing on our sites and it is our responsibility to protect ourselves, our other members, our 3rd party funding partners, our affiliates, and our marketing partners from potential fraud.



We have thousands of satisfied clients, all of which continue playing without triggering our risk management filters. If there was no risk involved in this situation, naturally we would welcome these members as we do all our clients. We are in the online entertainment business and look to increase our membership. Disabling a player account without cause would hinder this goal. However, we do recognize the need to disable a high risk player.



We would like to further comment that all members who have been closed from our website have been paid any legitimate moneys owed to them. Specifics have been disclosed to the ring of players in this case that were affected by the use of our policy. As Im sure you would agree, we cannot disclose the specifics concerning the disabling of these members to a public forum as it would violate the privacy rights held by all members whether disabled or not.



We trust that this satisfies your enquiries and would ask that all debasing and unjust comments concerning our websites use of a sound risk management policy within our corporation be removed from your website. No malpractice has taken place and we are certain any online bingo operator would surely agree with our policy.



Regards,


CB Corporation Management
 
Thank You CB
It shows before you run to BPU for help make sure you have all the facts first before you go Bla Bla Bla all over the World.
They will dig holes before they know the facts.
 
I feel they should if the persons involved keep putting foot in mouth before they get all the facts.
BPU is good that they help people and will take the time to help people.But God get the facts first.
I still say that BPU still looks out for them self because they also promote Bingo places.And yes if you talk ^%$# about the places they don't have that would make you join one that they do offer.Hmmmmm.
It's ok BPU I still like you because you do help out with some issues for people.
 
BPU has a chance to be a reputable place to go for help. If only they would get "FACTS" first. This automatic site is "Gulity" policy just ruins their creditability in my opinion.
 
What I do not understand is how a bingo or casino can let someone make an account at various places and then hold it agains them after the fact.

Casino A owns casinos 1 -100
You don't know they own those and make an account at 23 and 46 .After the fact they can do whatever they want because you broke the rules?
Casinos and Bingo ARE taking advantage of the way things are right now .

Just as a Info only Navy mom has been around the forums since forever.

IMHO is people here started having their accounts closed just for saying playing at XYZ casino stinks right now or they can't win anything there would be alot of pissed off people ..there are a couple of threads going right now that say this and I don't see them having their accounts closed for it . Pretty much only a junky outfit would pull that .
 
This part I quote below is a lie

"Secondly, the accusation that these individuals were disabled for posting on your forum is completely false as we were not aware of their postings until after we were contacted by you and the accounts were already disabled."

Here is an exact copy of my post yesterday at BPU about this announcement since they sent a copy of it by email to the admins there:

AND YET I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO POST HERE THAT ALPHABINGO AND BINGOSKY TOLD ME IN LIVE CHAT THAT THE REASON MY ACCOUNTS (WHICH WERE IN GOOD STANDING WITH NO MULTIPLE ACCOUNT ISSUES SINCE I HAVE NO FAMILY REGISTERED AT ANY ONLINE BINGO SITES) WERE CLOSED ABRUPTLY WAS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I WAS A MEMBER AT BPU.

Have those jerks look at my threads here "AlphaBingo's unwritten rule" and the "BingoSky unwritten rule" and then come back and explain how they could blatantly lie through their teeth in their email to you.

Have them explain why Jason is so high on that throne of his that he can't hear when players are asking for answers to the point that they are totally ignored by him as if they are peons serving their site strictly as depositors with no right to explanations, and yet we are told repeatedly by LiveHelp that HE is the almighty one that we need to correspond with.

Have them come and explain how it's only been in the last month or so that Risk Management has become the catch-all phrase and vague reasoning they are using for closing accounts that otherwise were in good standing enough that deposits were fine just the day before.

Have them come and explain how they could tell me one day in LiveHelp that BingoSky was NOT a sister site of CB Corp (and therefore Cyberbingo) when I specifically ASKED and copy/pasted the response here at BPU, state that my account was just fine at Alpha, and then totally disable the account three days after my posting that information at BPU, and use that posting as the reason for closing the account?

Have them explain to me how they knew I had posted anything about their site here at BPU in the first place if they hadn't gone on a fishing expedition here searching for usernames that matched their database? And ask them why they hadn't even bothered to read the posts regarding AlphaBingo and BingoSky to verify that I had said anything bad about their site, because if they HAD read the posts they would have discovered that I had said NOTHING disparaging against their sites UNTIL they told me they closed the accounts at those two sites BECAUSE I was a member here at BPU.

NOTE BY ME: I posted previously in this thread giving LINKS to those threads at BPU, and it's obvious to me that once again, CB Corp has chosen NOT to read anything that was actually said or done prior to them jumping to conclusions and making accusations that I was a risk to their site or they would have known in advance that I was no such thing.
 
NavyMom,
I'm thinking CB Corp's reply was for the thread made here a few days ago. From what I seen your issue was from Jul 13, 2007? Maybe a good idea to email them about your issue? However, the site has the right to ban or close anyone's account for any reason. If you are not owed money nothing can be done really.
 
Email who? Jason never replies....I've gone that route

and whoever the manager is/was at BingoSky sent the email reply to me anonymously so I never had a name; however, that person also told me to write an essay on why I felt I was 'worthy' of having my account enabled again by explaning all the good qualities of their site.

Now.....I was a depositing member in good standing at Alpha for over a year with never having a problem in a chatroom, never requesting a cashout, never being a problem for them. I had talked with them in LiveChat to make sure I didn't have any duplicate accounts since I discovered after joining BPU (and not posting anything yet...just registered there) and reading through the threads that BingoZest was closing down and I had been a member there. When I went to check my account at Zest, it was redirected to Alpha so I was worried about a multiple account issue since I never knew before that time that they were 'related' . I was told that the account was just fine.....and WHAM, three days later the account was disabled. When I asked in Live Help why, I was told it was because I had said disparaging things about Alpha at BPU.....which I hadn't done at all. I was told to email the manager (Jason), and I never heard from him. It was at that point that I got angry and posted an open letter to Jason at BPU, which was never replied to, either at BPU or by email. I've yet to hear from him.

The ONLY comment I had made about Alpha up to the account being disabled was when somebody at BPU asked about how to get her money from Zest that was owed to her since they closed up shop, and I gave her the email address I had for Alpha since I now knew that Alpha was a sister site and stated that perhaps they could help her. I never said anything that was against the site itself...I only made the remark that Jason is not easy to get ahold of.

Less than a month later, I went to BingoSky Live Help, asked about any sister sites they might be related to because another discussion was going on about that site being related to Cyberbingo. Was told in LiveHelp that they had no sister sites, that they were a stand-alone site, and I went to BPU and posted that chat into that discussion supposedly to clear up a misunderstanding. Two days later, my account was closed at Sky...went back to Live Help there and was told it was because of my posting at BPU, and to contact the manager by email. When I got a reply a couple of days later, I was told I wasn't the kind of member they wanted, but they would reconsider if I would write an email explaining why I should be allowed back in and to state all the good qualities their site has that appeal to me. I again got angry and told them where to shove that essay crap....I shouldn't have to beg a site to take me back when I hadn't done anything wrong to them in the first place, and in fact, I believed I was driving members TO their site as a stand-alone.....and it was all a lie from Live Help anyhow. I still have no idea who that manager was.

The fact in point to all of this is....my accounts were disabled because I was a registered member at BPU and had used te same username at BPU that I used at CB's bingo sites....and the ONLY way they could have known that I was a member at BPU was if they had one of their admins come into BPU and do a search for usernames of people they have in their database....NOBODY could have complained about my posts and said I was running their sites into the ground because it never happened until AFTER they kicked me to the curb based on assumptions alone.

So the ones that needs to get their FACTS straight before now coming into sites like this one and crying 'foul' and lying like rugs are the admins of those sites. I haven't lied, I haven't fabricated MY facts, I've documented it all by saving the chats and saving the emails I did get. I can't speak for every player who has complained against CB....I can only speak for my own experience with this group. If they can back up their claims, let them try to bring it on where it concerns me and my accounts and what actually happened.
 
Thank you Navy Mom... we both know what the facts are. Took long enough to get them together didn't it? More "facts" coming back at BPU... I am retiring from Casino Meister as of this post. Some folks just do not want to see the truth.
 
"Some folks" just can't understand that a casino or bingo site can ban or close a player's account for whatever reason they want. Even if you don't agree, it is their right. As long as no money is owed to you, I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
 
Thank you Navy Mom... we both know what the facts are. Took long enough to get them together didn't it? More "facts" coming back at BPU... I am retiring from Casino Meister as of this post. Some folks just do not want to see the truth.

Sissy, If there are points to be made, and questions to be answered, you might do some good by stating facts, asking and answering questions here; rather than 'resigning'.

The rep stated that no accounts had been locked without players who were owed being paid. Is there evidence to the contrary?

The rep stated that no accounts had been closed because of posting on forums. Is there evidence to the contrary?

The rep has been called a liar, straight up, but nobody has backed that up here.

The rep did not call anyone a liar, just stated his case.


I don't know much about bingo, or the businesses involved. And my voice is only one voice... if you think I've been blind, or BingoT, or WildHeart; please enlighten us. I have no affiliation with those sites (or any other), Tom doesn't either, if Wildheart does s/he can state so or not, but that wouldn't make the arguments any less real. All I care about is the truth and the facts.

Stick around and make apoint if it is important, please? Otherwise... oh well.
 
I don't know much about bingo, or the businesses involved. And my voice is only one voice... if you think I've been blind, or BingoT, or WildHeart; please enlighten us. I have no affiliation with those sites (or any other), Tom doesn't either, if Wildheart does s/he can state so or not, but that wouldn't make the arguments any less real. All I care about is the truth and the facts.

Nor do I.

I just don't understand the dead horse called "freedom of speech" that they keep on beating. The site has the right to decide who plays at their site. Also, remember they also have the right to sue for slander if proven.
 
Again, i don't know anything about the intergrity of these bingo businesses. I would think that if they were rogue, Tom would have been able to tell us by now... he seems pretty well aware of Bingo... might have even been these sites he put out a call for experiences from.

The only reason I ever play at bingo sites is the scratch cards and cool funky slots:p Most offers from bingo sites for 'free play' are duff (including desperate housewives... erm from your site Tom:)) My good experience has been with bingo hall... turneda couple dollar freebie into a chunk and was assured by the Gm that he would find a way to pay me... but I digress.

Back to your point wildheart; we have freedom of speech, nobody is kicking anybody off of a forum for stating facts and opinions. I don't have a right to play anywhere.
 
I can't stand online bingo anymore . They only money I ever made from them was as an affiliate .I have never been an affiliate of any of the bingos in this thread . Is anyone posting in this thread an affiliate with these bingos?
 
I'm not an affiliate for any bingo or casino. Heck, I haven't even played in months due to U.S law making it so hard withdrawal winnings. :mad:
 
I can't stand online bingo anymore . They only money I ever made from them was as an affiliate .I have never been an affiliate of any of the bingos in this thread . Is anyone posting in this thread an affiliate with these bingos?

Pretty much asked and answered (except from navymom and sissy) Bingo stated he wasn't, you know damn well I'm not, and wildheart asserted the same.

The bingo I play most is in the 'specialty games' sections of accredited casinos.

Tom took down a good haul from a bingo site, addy did too.. it can happen :)

Are you thinking that some of the flack is coming from disgruntled affiliates at BPU? Just wondering:)
 
from your site Tom:))
Oh Thank You
The only place I use to promote that is no good is bingosuite.
And I did get paid after all
And I have been doing this Bingo/Casino thing now for 7 years.And if I see proof And I mean proof that any site treats the player like ^%$# I stay away from them.I have to knock on wood that in 7 years I have had 1 person B to me about a type of problem they have had but it was fixed in a day and all it was a misunderstanding on the players outlook.
At times BPU use to bad mouth Bingo Hall I think but now they promote them :lolup: And Bingo Hall is a good one for the player too.I'm an affiliate for many places But you can bet your @ if you get into any ^%$# with any of them I will fight to the end for ya.
I myself don't get into this bad mouth &^%$ like some.and to me I think it's a way for an affiliate to try to gain something from it.It's like if I started a thread like Tom's Bingo is the best and you get all negative reply if I was someone new looking for a place to play and I see this crap about Tom's I would stay far away from it.
But we all know BingoT is one hell of a guy <---I have proof lol
This is only my two cents.
And we all know you want a Bingo
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