Players Accounts closed for "RISK MANAGEMENT"

I could be messed up here, but the real bingohall is in the winward casino group, and cyberbingo is something else altogether... the only 'connect' I've seen is the former programmers who (possibly as affiliates?) created the i-cyberbingo.com domain and were made to make it resolve to cyberbingo rather than bingo hall because it was a 'trademark' infringement.

What are you seeing that is different? Are you getting from the domain regs?

Please let me know and I can get the answer if we are still uncertain. (don't want to bug the 'big guys' if I don't have my facts straight)

EDIT3: are you saying that cyber bingo network is bingo hall/winward? and CB corp is only zest, etc.? i haven't dug deep enough to know. What are you seeing as a comprehensive list of:

CB Corp
cyberbingonetwork
bingohall/winward

And how are you determining this?
 
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"If you're a Bingo enthusiast, you've come to the right place! There's always Bingo action going on at The CyberBingo Network with games being played 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

:confused:
 
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"If you're a Bingo enthusiast, you've come to the right place! There's always Bingo action going on at The CyberBingo Network with games being played 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

:confused:

I can't tell... have you been able to get a redirect to bingo hall/winward from the page or seen an uptodate domain reg? It's one of those 'broken' pages and could belong to anyone. I think the 'tell' would be where it sends you.

When I click on certain links I get 'banner farm' affiliate links. Could just be a carcass that used to be a 'skin' I dunno
 
Worldbingohall.com is down for scheduled maintenance.
We will be back shortly.

In the mean time, please visit our sister site BingoHall where you will receive $5 free when you sign up.


The above is what me wonder if some sites on list were actually BingoHall sites. Being Worldbingohall.com was in the list of Cyberbingo Network sites.
 
The above is what me wonder if some sites on list were actually BingoHall sites. Being Worldbingohall.com was in the list of Cyberbingo Network sites.

That was erroneous info posted by NavyMom:oops:

I put the list through the crucible and showed worldbingohall as winward, NOT cyberbingo :)

edit:
BingoBunnies Cyber bingo
4LiveBingo Cyber bingo
BingoBingo Cyber bingo
BingoWay Cyber bingo
BingoTastic Cyber bingo
BingoStorm Cyber bingo
ExclaimBingo Cyber bingo
HookedOnBingo Cyber bingo
LadyluckBingo Cyber bingo

Bahama-Bingo Doesn't Exist?
4BingoBingo Doesn't exist?

ZingoBingo Doesn't appear to be cyberbingo

ArcadeBingo NOT CYBERBINGO
WorldBingoHall NOT CYBERBINGO
MasterBingo NOT CYBERBINGO
BingoJackpots.com NOT CYBERBINGO
Playbingoonline.com NOT CYBERBINGO

All that say "NOT CYBERBINGO" are actually moot sites that direct to Bingohall/winward group
 
lojo said:
That was erroneous info posted by NavyMom

I thought so too at first, but after re reading the "if" jumped up at me. I think she was stating IF these sites were related, they would include......
NavyMom said:
CYBERBINGO NETWORK * if this network is also associated with BingoZest

I have emailed Malci & Marco(Revenue Giants/BingoHall)about this and hopefully will hear something from one of them tomorrow. They are very prompt to answer questions. Thanks for all of your help. I appreciate it!
 
lojo said:
I have emailed Malci & Marco(Revenue Giants/BingoHall)about this and hopefully will hear something from one of them tomorrow. They are very prompt to answer questions. Thanks for all of your help. I appreciate it!

Have you heard from CB Corp rep yet? Lets not read too much into it if they don't respond right away, it won't 'go away'.

Winward can distance themselves if they choose, but it is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

You have stated that 5(?) BPU members are due money (to the best of your knowledge)
The CB Corp Management (previously) said that no deserving players (whose accounts have been suspended?) are owed money.

NavyMom linked to chats that showed that her account(s) had been suspended because she spoke about a CB site in a forum.
The CB Corp mgmnt rep said this is not true. (to the best of his knowledge?)

These are the issues?
 
Actually I just got my response ready and sent it to them. LOL thanks for asking.. I am not expecting miracles here. I had a lot of questions.
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The statement they made in their post was concerning monies owed was:
We would like to further comment that all members who have been closed from our website have been paid any legitimate moneys owed to them. Specifics have been disclosed to the 'ring' of players in this case that were affected by the use of our policy.

I am contacting each one to insure that, but the fact remains there are players who have had accounts closed and NEVER received their monies, that were not involved in this issue. I won't forget them as they have waited a long time.

I will continue to update and thanks so much for your interest.
 
It looks like a good opportunity for cyberbingo to clear the air.

Kind of personal, but still public note: Have you seen that the PaB section is currently closed on CasinoMeister? When it is reopened you may want to follow some of his leads in sorting player complaints. It must be a tremendous burden, and franklly I'd be more than a little miffed if someone who knew they were in the wrong, or simply didn't bother to know the rules, involved me in their dispute.
 
I got an Email from them
Glad to help
The way it looks here they will help you out.
I'm done with this I got my proof.

~~~~~~~
Hi Tom, we sent proof to the admin at BPU that the player in question was wrong in their accusations and had the data to prove it. The BPU to date not chosen to post our response to their inquiry which just shows what type of group they are. I have posted our response back to “RICHARD” from the BPU in yellow.

We proved that the player in question was not only not blocked/banned from our site but was allowed to play AND DID SO that same day they accused us of banning them. We sent this proof to "Richard" at the BPU but he has decided not to post it.

Their response:

Admin@bingoplayersunion.com wrote:

There is no issue with the player not being able to cash out on
“FREE MONEY”! We told the player: Payout will be not approved if winnings
come from bonus offered as non-depositing promotion. That is pretty cut
and dry and she had no leg to stand on. That is not the issue here!

This is the real issue: When she complained to support, her chat was
disabled. (TUES BUT WAS ENABLED THAT SAME DAY AND PLAYED THAT EVENING WITH FULL CHAT ENABLED – WE HAVE THE DATA TO PROVE THIS.) This action is also understandable because no site wants an angry player in their chat room. After awhile, I’m sure the player would
have calmed down and hopefully allowed back in chat!

She continued to voice her opinions in BPU, than you disabled her account
all together! (NOT TRUE AS SHE WAS ENABLED AND PLAYING THAT SAME DAY) This is the major issue here! You disabled her chat, than
disable her whole account after she made a few posts in BPU! In other
words she was banned from your site. I’m asking you to point out the
specific posted rule that you employed to make this determination.
Frankly! I’m not satisfied that you don’t ban players who post
dissatisfaction with your site.

regards,
Richard
admin

AS YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ISSUE THAT WE WERE ACCUSED OF NEVER OCCURRED AS SHE WAS ABLE TO PLAY THAT SAME EVENING. THE REAL ISSUE WITH THIS PLAYER IS THAT SHE TRIED TO COLLECT A PAYOUT THAT SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO.

Here is the email we sent "Richard" at the BPU on Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:08:21 -0700 (PDT)

Richard I hate to say it but if the issue is when the player was disable you are 100% wrong. Her account was disabled just after the payout was declined - this is our procedure. The Payout was declined

Deposit made 10/12/2007 7:58:23 PM

Verified:20071013005243426765000000

30.00

Last game played

669717
10/9/2007
2:17AM

her account was closed that same day when the office staff came in. Her post was 2 days later. That said, your theory that WE ACT BASED ON COMMENTS ON YOUR FORUM is just wrong!

Now just a FYI, when I went to look at this players account I noticed that:

1) her account and chat were enabled
2) she is playing right now – the time and date above
3) she made another deposit earlier today – the time and date above

10/12/2007 8:54:34 PM
BUYCARDS
0.03
59.22

For someone who is so upset with AmigoBingo, does this make ANY SENSE that she want to continue playing here. I mean if it was you and the site "TOOK YOUR MONEY" as she stated, would you then go back to that same site and deposit again just 2 days after the payout issue?????

Richard you made some very strong Accusations about Amigo and how we run our business. I think both you and this player owe us an apology!

Hopefully you will do what is right and update your site with the proper information for your members.

Richard promised to get back to us once he “talk with the player” about our evidence – to this date he has not!

Tom, I would like you to ask “Richard” at the BPU to answer the question and the email answer above as we are awaiting a response to decide how we will handle this.

In short the BPU seems to be a good way for the players to express themselves – we have no issues with this and agree on this type of site review. The issue that we have is when we can prove that we are not at fault and they chose not to tell their member’s the “REAL STORY” on what happened.

We have been in business since 1999 and have not had ANY ISSUES with members unless they tried or did break the rules. This member is not an exception. If a player’s feels that they do not have to follow the rules that they agreed to when they became a member then we prefer they play at our competition. We will and can defend 100% of any dispute that occurs within our networks.

In the past, if our senior management believes that there an error with a decision they will over rule it. The have done this many times in the past and most likely will continue to do so in the future.

We are one of the largest and longest lasting online bingos on the net being in business for over 7 years. We did not get to our size or longevity by not treating players fairly.

Regards,


Hall Manager

hallmanager@thebingoaffiliates.com
 
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Your welcome
And the funny thing is the list that was in this thread I went to them all and went to the help area of all of them.
Oh well we are not perfect.
The funny thing is I sent them a link to this thread and they did a reply to me.This is too funny
 
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No one should ever be banned for stating an opinion as long as its kept respectful...thats my opinion.
Making a definate statement without proof and fact to back it up is not the same as giving an opinion, many cross that line.

That being said....
I was a long time staff and put in many long hours and much of myself to find out that the word of a long standing reputable staff member means absolutly nothing if it disagrees with the general numbers of the rest of that staff, no matter how much proof and fact is shown.
But I guess now you have found a new staff member thats word is far more valuable than what mine was?

To each his own.

The reply you got from this gaming site sounded about right to me.
but then again, thats only my opinion based on the fact of what i have seen, for what its worth.

Lisa
 
Not sure I understand, Lisa... were you staff@BPU, cyberbingonetwork, or somewhere else?

Do you have experiences with CB Corp, do you know them to be reliable payors or not?

Do you think the unpaid players were in breach of terms, or possibly that the CB Corp is in a 'slow pay' mode - based on your experiences?

The CB Corp Rep hasn't been here since the 26th, and there's no way for me to know if he gets email notification of Private Messages. Do you have a contact that you could use to inform him of the question of unpayed players?

thx
 
account closures

Why would a player return to a site if they had their account closed? Perhaps it was a misunderstanding,perhaps it was an error, perhaps it was confusiion, perhaps the player actually liked the site, but will NOT tolerate being closed for some obtuse or inexplicable reason offerd by the site..after being prompted and not freely offered to the player in a timely manner.

The point is..her account was closed and the reason as provided by the site (ostensibly) was that she was declined a payout! LMAO as they say online. Do sites close accounts as a standard procedure as Amigo does for a denied withdrawal request? What the hell happened to" I am sorry, but you are ineligible for a withdrawal at this time. Please read the regulations regarding bouses, withdrawals. If this is their standard operating procedure, as they say, it is most inhospitable and unwarranted to treat a DEPOSITING player in this manner.
Why the manager of Amigo thought he had to travel thru bingoT, as opposed to any other individual, makes me think that bingoT had a voice in presenting a side of the dilemna that completely supported Amigo bingo with his solitary opinion and totally discredited the involved player very summarily. There is an open door at BPU and if the manager of Amigo could not find his way there to clear up a matter personally, and found it necessary to contact a third party from a different forum altogether, someone is deficient in communication and people skills.
There is documented evidence from site reps that players accounts have been closed because of negative statements and remarks posted in an open forum totally unrelated to their domain or control. If BPU, or any other credible watchdog group did not consider that as a threat to freedom of speech and be on the alert for further suppressive behavior by online gaming sites, they would be remiss in their duties as a player advocate.
Investigation and research are the keys to making discernments and decisions to reach a resolution, and why anyone would seek to assume that a player is in the wrong without having all the data is a mystery to me. I am not saying that all players are guiltless or innocent, but I am saying that the track record of MANY bingo sites have proven to be informationally and historically invaluable in reaching a conclusion. Have bingo sites been so honest and above board that we should place the player in the shadow of suspicion immediately? Any site has the technical and authoritative right to respond to any accusations of impropriety, and it then hinges on whether they feel they have a responsibility to do so or not. How much simpler it would be if a site would respond to a player asap instead of stalling,making lame excuses and passing the buck. It is called integrity and respect, and within the realm of a profit making business the only beneficial decision to be made for success to be realized.
 
I've seen many situations in the casino forum deteriorate from bad to worse when people start bashing the rep or the casino, I imagine it could happen here as well.

What is the motive here? I would hope it would be to clarify, then pursue the answers with the end result being resolution.

Nobody is right and nobody is wrong until the facts are in. If this is an issue of players remaining unpaid without satisfactory explainations, I'll participate. If it is about being banned from sites for forumspeak, I'm not interested; I've got real life issues that deserve my attention more.
 
lojo said:
Not sure I understand, Lisa... were you staff@BPU, cyberbingonetwork, or somewhere else?

Do you have experiences with CB Corp, do you know them to be reliable payors or not?

Do you think the unpaid players were in breach of terms, or possibly that the CB Corp is in a 'slow pay' mode - based on your experiences?

The CB Corp Rep hasn't been here since the 26th, and there's no way for me to know if he gets email notification of Private Messages. Do you have a contact that you could use to inform him of the question of unpayed players?

thx

I was an Admin at BPU....was with them since they were only a month old.
I have not spoke with any CB Corp Reps.
I was asked to comment by a dear friend in a PM....but all I have to offer is an opinion along with my experience with others involved.

I apologize if my comment is personal in nature, and I know it is.

I would contact them ( A CB Corp Rep ) myself if I had the time...
unfortunatly I am working far to many hours now and time isnt something I have much of any more,lol.

Lisa
 
Do sites close accounts as a standard procedure as Amigo does for a denied withdrawal request?
There is an open door at BPU and if the manager of Amigo could not find his way there to clear up a matter personally, and found it necessary to contact a third party from a different forum altogether, someone is deficient in communication and people skills.

Ok I'm really confused! Amigo is now part of this issue also?
:confused:
 
Ok I'm really confused! Amigo is now part of this issue also?
:confused:

This bingo thing is crazy, huh? My recall is that BingoT contacted CB Corp(?) about this thread, and they replied in re an 'Amigo' issue. Tom posted it, and away we go.

I'm guessing:confused: amigo is cyberbingo? I'm tiring, or I'd check :)

edit: all I care about is whether people who have money coming are not being payed... but I guess all I have to do is play in the Winward Gaming and I won't have to worry about it.... must be my blood sugar or something, I'm starting to not give a rats ass about this issue.
 

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