Players Accounts closed for "RISK MANAGEMENT"

[lojo]

I could be messed up here, but the real bingohall is in the winward casino group, and cyberbingo is something else altogether... the only 'connect' I've seen is the former programmers who (possibly as affiliates?) created the i-cyberbingo.com domain and were made to make it resolve to cyberbingo rather than bingo hall because it was a 'trademark' infringement.

What are you seeing that is different? Are you getting from the domain regs?

Please let me know and I can get the answer if we are still uncertain. (don't want to bug the 'big guys' if I don't have my facts straight)

EDIT3: are you saying that cyber bingo network is bingo hall/winward? and CB corp is only zest, etc.? i haven't dug deep enough to know. What are you seeing as a comprehensive list of:

CB Corp
cyberbingonetwork
bingohall/winward

And how are you determining this?

 

[Wild Heart]

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) (is this site related to bingohall.com?)

"If you're a Bingo enthusiast, you've come to the right place! There's always Bingo action going on at The CyberBingo Network with games being played 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

 

[lojo]

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) (is this site related to bingohall.com?)

"If you're a Bingo enthusiast, you've come to the right place! There's always Bingo action going on at The CyberBingo Network with games being played 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

I can't tell... have you been able to get a redirect to bingo hall/winward from the page or seen an uptodate domain reg? It's one of those 'broken' pages and could belong to anyone. I think the 'tell' would be where it sends you.

When I click on certain links I get 'banner farm' affiliate links. Could just be a carcass that used to be a 'skin' I dunno

 

[Wild Heart]

Worldbingohall.com is down for scheduled maintenance.
We will be back shortly.

In the mean time, please visit our sister site BingoHall where you will receive $5 free when you sign up.

The above is what me wonder if some sites on list were actually BingoHall sites. Being Worldbingohall.com was in the list of Cyberbingo Network sites.

 

[lojo]

The above is what me wonder if some sites on list were actually BingoHall sites. Being Worldbingohall.com was in the list of Cyberbingo Network sites.

That was erroneous info posted by NavyMom

I put the list through the crucible and showed worldbingohall as winward, NOT cyberbingo

edit:

BingoBunnies Cyber bingo
4LiveBingo Cyber bingo
BingoBingo Cyber bingo
BingoWay Cyber bingo
BingoTastic Cyber bingo
BingoStorm Cyber bingo
ExclaimBingo Cyber bingo
HookedOnBingo Cyber bingo
LadyluckBingo Cyber bingo

Bahama-Bingo Doesn't Exist?
4BingoBingo Doesn't exist?

ZingoBingo Doesn't appear to be cyberbingo

ArcadeBingo NOT CYBERBINGO
WorldBingoHall NOT CYBERBINGO
MasterBingo NOT CYBERBINGO
BingoJackpots.com NOT CYBERBINGO
Playbingoonline.com NOT CYBERBINGO

All that say "NOT CYBERBINGO" are actually moot sites that direct to Bingohall/winward group

 

[Wild Heart]

Does anyone know if CB Corp and Cyberbingo Network are the same company, or two separate unrelated companies?

 

[lojo]

Does anyone know if CB Corp and Cyberbingo Network are the same company, or two separate unrelated companies?

Selfsame and no reason to believe they are related to winward group/bingohall

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edit: about

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[Sissy]

lojo said:

That was erroneous info posted by NavyMom

I thought so too at first, but after re reading the "if" jumped up at me. I think she was stating IF these sites were related, they would include......
NavyMom said:

CYBERBINGO NETWORK * if this network is also associated with BingoZest

I have emailed Malci & Marco(Revenue Giants/BingoHall)about this and hopefully will hear something from one of them tomorrow. They are very prompt to answer questions. Thanks for all of your help. I appreciate it!

 

[lojo]

lojo said:
I have emailed Malci & Marco(Revenue Giants/BingoHall)about this and hopefully will hear something from one of them tomorrow. They are very prompt to answer questions. Thanks for all of your help. I appreciate it!

Have you heard from CB Corp rep yet? Lets not read too much into it if they don't respond right away, it won't 'go away'.

Winward can distance themselves if they choose, but it is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

You have stated that 5(?) BPU members are due money (to the best of your knowledge)
The CB Corp Management (previously) said that no deserving players (whose accounts have been suspended?) are owed money.

NavyMom linked to chats that showed that her account(s) had been suspended because she spoke about a CB site in a forum.
The CB Corp mgmnt rep said this is not true. (to the best of his knowledge?)

These are the issues?

 

[Sissy]

Actually I just got my response ready and sent it to them. LOL thanks for asking.. I am not expecting miracles here. I had a lot of questions.
To make it easier for both of us, you can view what the issues are in my response to them by using the following link.

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The statement they made in their post was concerning monies owed was:

We would like to further comment that all members who have been closed from our website have been paid any legitimate moneys owed to them. Specifics have been disclosed to the 'ring' of players in this case that were affected by the use of our policy.

I am contacting each one to insure that, but the fact remains there are players who have had accounts closed and NEVER received their monies, that were not involved in this issue. I won't forget them as they have waited a long time.

I will continue to update and thanks so much for your interest.

 

[lojo]

It looks like a good opportunity for cyberbingo to clear the air.

Kind of personal, but still public note: Have you seen that the PaB section is currently closed on CasinoMeister? When it is reopened you may want to follow some of his leads in sorting player complaints. It must be a tremendous burden, and franklly I'd be more than a little miffed if someone who knew they were in the wrong, or simply didn't bother to know the rules, involved me in their dispute.

 

[BingoT]

I got an Email from them
Glad to help
The way it looks here they will help you out.
I'm done with this I got my proof.

~~~~~~~
Hi Tom, we sent proof to the admin at BPU that the player in question was wrong in their accusations and had the data to prove it. The BPU to date not chosen to post our response to their inquiry which just shows what type of group they are. I have posted our response back to “RICHARD” from the BPU in yellow.

We proved that the player in question was not only not blocked/banned from our site but was allowed to play AND DID SO that same day they accused us of banning them. We sent this proof to "Richard" at the BPU but he has decided not to post it.

Their response:

[email protected] wrote:

There is no issue with the player not being able to cash out on
“FREE MONEY”! We told the player: Payout will be not approved if winnings
come from bonus offered as non-depositing promotion. That is pretty cut
and dry and she had no leg to stand on. That is not the issue here!

This is the real issue: When she complained to support, her chat was
disabled. (TUES BUT WAS ENABLED THAT SAME DAY AND PLAYED THAT EVENING WITH FULL CHAT ENABLED – WE HAVE THE DATA TO PROVE THIS.) This action is also understandable because no site wants an angry player in their chat room. After awhile, I’m sure the player would
have calmed down and hopefully allowed back in chat!

She continued to voice her opinions in BPU, than you disabled her account
all together! (NOT TRUE AS SHE WAS ENABLED AND PLAYING THAT SAME DAY) This is the major issue here! You disabled her chat, than
disable her whole account after she made a few posts in BPU! In other
words she was banned from your site. I’m asking you to point out the
specific posted rule that you employed to make this determination.
Frankly! I’m not satisfied that you don’t ban players who post
dissatisfaction with your site.

regards,
Richard
admin

AS YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ISSUE THAT WE WERE ACCUSED OF NEVER OCCURRED AS SHE WAS ABLE TO PLAY THAT SAME EVENING. THE REAL ISSUE WITH THIS PLAYER IS THAT SHE TRIED TO COLLECT A PAYOUT THAT SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO.

Here is the email we sent "Richard" at the BPU on Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:08:21 -0700 (PDT)

Richard I hate to say it but if the issue is when the player was disable you are 100% wrong. Her account was disabled just after the payout was declined - this is our procedure. The Payout was declined

Deposit made 10/12/2007 7:58:23 PM

Verified:20071013005243426765000000

30.00

Last game played

669717
10/9/2007
2:17AM

her account was closed that same day when the office staff came in. Her post was 2 days later. That said, your theory that WE ACT BASED ON COMMENTS ON YOUR FORUM is just wrong!

Now just a FYI, when I went to look at this players account I noticed that:

1) her account and chat were enabled
2) she is playing right now – the time and date above
3) she made another deposit earlier today – the time and date above

10/12/2007 8:54:34 PM
BUYCARDS
0.03
59.22

For someone who is so upset with AmigoBingo, does this make ANY SENSE that she want to continue playing here. I mean if it was you and the site "TOOK YOUR MONEY" as she stated, would you then go back to that same site and deposit again just 2 days after the payout issue?????

Richard you made some very strong Accusations about Amigo and how we run our business. I think both you and this player owe us an apology!

Hopefully you will do what is right and update your site with the proper information for your members.

Richard promised to get back to us once he “talk with the player” about our evidence – to this date he has not!

Tom, I would like you to ask “Richard” at the BPU to answer the question and the email answer above as we are awaiting a response to decide how we will handle this.

In short the BPU seems to be a good way for the players to express themselves – we have no issues with this and agree on this type of site review. The issue that we have is when we can prove that we are not at fault and they chose not to tell their member’s the “REAL STORY” on what happened.

We have been in business since 1999 and have not had ANY ISSUES with members unless they tried or did break the rules. This member is not an exception. If a player’s feels that they do not have to follow the rules that they agreed to when they became a member then we prefer they play at our competition. We will and can defend 100% of any dispute that occurs within our networks.

In the past, if our senior management believes that there an error with a decision they will over rule it. The have done this many times in the past and most likely will continue to do so in the future.

We are one of the largest and longest lasting online bingos on the net being in business for over 7 years. We did not get to our size or longevity by not treating players fairly.

Regards,


Hall Manager

[email protected]

 

[Sissy]

For someone who is so upset with AmigoBingo

Thank you for your time.. but this is not even the same issue.

 

[BingoT]

Your welcome
And the funny thing is the list that was in this thread I went to them all and went to the help area of all of them.
Oh well we are not perfect.
The funny thing is I sent them a link to this thread and they did a reply to me.This is too funny

 

[Wild Heart]

you can view what the issues are in my response to them by using the following link.

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May I ask if you , in ANY way, insure the fact that your new members have read, understand and accept your rules? Do you have anything at all put in place that they can click "yes or no"? Is there an announcement of any size that would make it impossible for them to miss the fact that by simply signing up, they automatically agree to the rules? Can/will you put in place a link that will automatically redirect new members to the rules page?

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I certify this is my only account at BingoSKY.co.uk. I further certify that I am aware of BingoSKY's rules and regulations pertaining to multiple accounts.*

(*) Required fields

By registering you indicate acknowledgement and acceptance of the Terms and Conditions and Rules and Regulations of this website.

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I certify this is my only account at BingoZest. I further certify that I am aware of BingoZest's rules and regulations pertaining to multiple accounts.

By registering you indicate acknowledgement and acceptance of the Terms and Conditions of this website.

 

[Sissy]

Thanks, I look forward to the answers to my other questions.

 

[whatwedontknow]

No one should ever be banned for stating an opinion as long as its kept respectful...thats my opinion.
Making a definate statement without proof and fact to back it up is not the same as giving an opinion, many cross that line.

That being said....
I was a long time staff and put in many long hours and much of myself to find out that the word of a long standing reputable staff member means absolutly nothing if it disagrees with the general numbers of the rest of that staff, no matter how much proof and fact is shown.
But I guess now you have found a new staff member thats word is far more valuable than what mine was?

To each his own.

The reply you got from this gaming site sounded about right to me.
but then again, thats only my opinion based on the fact of what i have seen, for what its worth.

Lisa

 

[lojo]

Not sure I understand, Lisa... were you staff@BPU, cyberbingonetwork, or somewhere else?

Do you have experiences with CB Corp, do you know them to be reliable payors or not?

Do you think the unpaid players were in breach of terms, or possibly that the CB Corp is in a 'slow pay' mode - based on your experiences?

The CB Corp Rep hasn't been here since the 26th, and there's no way for me to know if he gets email notification of Private Messages. Do you have a contact that you could use to inform him of the question of unpayed players?

thx

 

[dynamitewoman]

account closures

Why would a player return to a site if they had their account closed? Perhaps it was a misunderstanding,perhaps it was an error, perhaps it was confusiion, perhaps the player actually liked the site, but will NOT tolerate being closed for some obtuse or inexplicable reason offerd by the site..after being prompted and not freely offered to the player in a timely manner.

The point is..her account was closed and the reason as provided by the site (ostensibly) was that she was declined a payout! LMAO as they say online. Do sites close accounts as a standard procedure as Amigo does for a denied withdrawal request? What the hell happened to" I am sorry, but you are ineligible for a withdrawal at this time. Please read the regulations regarding bouses, withdrawals. If this is their standard operating procedure, as they say, it is most inhospitable and unwarranted to treat a DEPOSITING player in this manner.
Why the manager of Amigo thought he had to travel thru bingoT, as opposed to any other individual, makes me think that bingoT had a voice in presenting a side of the dilemna that completely supported Amigo bingo with his solitary opinion and totally discredited the involved player very summarily. There is an open door at BPU and if the manager of Amigo could not find his way there to clear up a matter personally, and found it necessary to contact a third party from a different forum altogether, someone is deficient in communication and people skills.
There is documented evidence from site reps that players accounts have been closed because of negative statements and remarks posted in an open forum totally unrelated to their domain or control. If BPU, or any other credible watchdog group did not consider that as a threat to freedom of speech and be on the alert for further suppressive behavior by online gaming sites, they would be remiss in their duties as a player advocate.
Investigation and research are the keys to making discernments and decisions to reach a resolution, and why anyone would seek to assume that a player is in the wrong without having all the data is a mystery to me. I am not saying that all players are guiltless or innocent, but I am saying that the track record of MANY bingo sites have proven to be informationally and historically invaluable in reaching a conclusion. Have bingo sites been so honest and above board that we should place the player in the shadow of suspicion immediately? Any site has the technical and authoritative right to respond to any accusations of impropriety, and it then hinges on whether they feel they have a responsibility to do so or not. How much simpler it would be if a site would respond to a player asap instead of stalling,making lame excuses and passing the buck. It is called integrity and respect, and within the realm of a profit making business the only beneficial decision to be made for success to be realized.

 

[lojo]

I've seen many situations in the casino forum deteriorate from bad to worse when people start bashing the rep or the casino, I imagine it could happen here as well.

What is the motive here? I would hope it would be to clarify, then pursue the answers with the end result being resolution.

Nobody is right and nobody is wrong until the facts are in. If this is an issue of players remaining unpaid without satisfactory explainations, I'll participate. If it is about being banned from sites for forumspeak, I'm not interested; I've got real life issues that deserve my attention more.

 

[whatwedontknow]

lojo said:

Not sure I understand, Lisa... were you staff@BPU, cyberbingonetwork, or somewhere else?

Do you have experiences with CB Corp, do you know them to be reliable payors or not?

Do you think the unpaid players were in breach of terms, or possibly that the CB Corp is in a 'slow pay' mode - based on your experiences?

The CB Corp Rep hasn't been here since the 26th, and there's no way for me to know if he gets email notification of Private Messages. Do you have a contact that you could use to inform him of the question of unpayed players?

thx

I was an Admin at BPU....was with them since they were only a month old.
I have not spoke with any CB Corp Reps.
I was asked to comment by a dear friend in a PM....but all I have to offer is an opinion along with my experience with others involved.

I apologize if my comment is personal in nature, and I know it is.

I would contact them ( A CB Corp Rep ) myself if I had the time...
unfortunatly I am working far to many hours now and time isnt something I have much of any more,lol.

Lisa

 

[Wild Heart]

Do sites close accounts as a standard procedure as Amigo does for a denied withdrawal request?
There is an open door at BPU and if the manager of Amigo could not find his way there to clear up a matter personally, and found it necessary to contact a third party from a different forum altogether, someone is deficient in communication and people skills.

Ok I'm really confused! Amigo is now part of this issue also?

 

[lojo]

Ok I'm really confused! Amigo is now part of this issue also?

This bingo thing is crazy, huh? My recall is that BingoT contacted CB Corp(?) about this thread, and they replied in re an 'Amigo' issue. Tom posted it, and away we go.

I'm guessing amigo is cyberbingo? I'm tiring, or I'd check

edit: all I care about is whether people who have money coming are not being payed... but I guess all I have to do is play in the Winward Gaming and I won't have to worry about it.... must be my blood sugar or something, I'm starting to not give a rats ass about this issue.

 

[silkprint]

I am realizing online bingo sucks ...it's all smoke and mirrors . I know none of them will be getting my money.

 

[Wild Heart]

I'm starting to not give a rats ass about this issue.

I'm feeling about the same way. This thread has turned into one big confusing mess in my opinion.

 

[BingoT]

Thank You lojo
I went to the list of the shit that was posted.I went to each one and found the contact link and Emailed them all.And I got a reply.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: October 28, 2007 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Can you please help us all at this forum to fix this mess about your site.
Can you please help us all at this forum to fix this mess about your site.
Tell them BingoT sent ya
With all this crap going on about your site all we want is proof about you people.

Thank You

Tom

It's that group from BPU that started it and everyone here would like you to reply to all of this.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/players-accounts-closed-for-risk-management.20718/

Hey Lisa Welcome xxoo

 

[BingoT]

I'm feeling about the same way. This thread has turned into one big confusing mess in my opinion.

Right on

 

[lojo]

I'm not going down the 'forum wars' path, and I'm not going to engage anyone else from BPU unless they have something, anything. I've been a bit of a jerk (always am) but I'm not going to waste any more of my energy here unless someone, anyone from BPU can show us that a player was wrongfully denied winnings. I hope they begin to sort their complaints better.

See that sideways blur? That's me sliding away from this one.

 

[Sissy]

lojo said:

The CB Corp Rep hasn't been here since the 26th, and there's no way for me to know if he gets email notification of Private Messages.

This is par for course. For what it is worth, and to those who are interested, there is more than enough evidence to prove their history of response or acknowledgement (or lack thereof) to questions, emails, and trouble tickets etc.

lojo said:

I would hope it would be to clarify, then pursue the answers with the end result being resolution.

That is also what I had hoped. And I will continue to pursue that.

Wild Heart said:

Ok I'm really confused! Amigo is now part of this issue also?

No they are not. BingoT introduced them into the conversation when he took it upon himself to email the wrong site about clearing up a matter that they had nothing to do with. But of course he graced us with the answer that he got, regardless of whether it was pertinent to the issue at hand or not. I hope this eases your confusion.

lojo said:

My recall is that BingoT contacted CB Corp(?) about this thread, and they replied in re an 'Amigo' issue. Tom posted it, and away we go.

As he did not post the email he sent (header, date, content, etc.), I can only assume that he did, in fact, NOT send it to CB Corp, but to Amigo Bingo instead, creating the "confusion".

lojo said:

I'm guessing amigo is cyberbingo? I'm tiring, or I'd check
edit: all I care about is whether people who have money coming are not being payed... but I guess all I have to do is play in the Winward Gaming and I won't have to worry about it.... must be my blood sugar or something, I'm starting to not give a rats ass about this issue.

Again, no, Amigo is not Cyberbingo. Yes there are players at Cyberbingo who have not been paid yet. I am sorry you are starting to not "give a rats ass about this issue". For some that would be "mission accomplished". But for me it is not. I tried to bow out gracefully and was asked to come back and finish what I started. I will do just that. I can look around those who have and will continue trying to discredit me, change the subject, and throw obstacles (such as Amigo) in my way.

Silk Print said:

I am realizing online bingo sucks ...it's all smoke and mirrors . I know none of them will be getting my money.

AMEN!! This is what I am trying to prove. Some sites do suck! And good for you! They don't get my money anymore either!

Wild Heart said:

I'm feeling about the same way. This thread has turned into one big confusing mess in my opinion.

My opinion is that this thread WAS turned into a big confusing mess. I will still finish what I started whether anyone reads or responds. It was some of you here that made me see finishing what I start is the "professional" way to handle things.

BingoT said:
I went to the list of the shit that was posted.I went to each one and found the contact link and Emailed them all.And I got a reply.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: October 28, 2007 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Can you please help us all at this forum to fix this mess about your site.
Can you please help us all at this forum to fix this mess about your site.
Tell them BingoT sent ya
With all this crap going on about your site all we want is proof about you people.
Thank You

Tom

It's that group from BPU that started it and everyone here would like you to reply to all of this.

And yet another "gallant attempt". Where the hell did you find bingoaffiliates on that list? This also has NOTHING to do with bingoaffiliates either! And NO it was not the "group from BPU". It was me.... Sissy. I am staff at BPU, yes, but I don't think anyone posted that first post here but me.
I may be as big as a group, but I am only one. Thank you though.

The very first sentence of the very first post in this thread states SPECIFICALLY the sites involved ...

Bingozest.com, BingoZest.co.uk, AlphaBingo.net, CyberBingo.com, CyberBingo.co.uk, BingoSky.com and dailyexpress-bingo.com

These are under the management of CB Corp. Does anyone see AmigoBingo on this list??? OR bingoaffiliates?

I guess this can only serve to make me knuckle down for the long haul. I have never been a quitter.

 

[BingoT]

Oh brother

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How old are we all

I don't know that site I sent it to I only got all the names from that list that was posted here.So I went to every site that was on it.
[email protected] All I know I Emailed this and POOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF they sent me a reply.I think I sent it to an affiliate group that promotes all the places that are on the list.
Well least I helped you on something else for ya.

 

[lojo]

Bravo Sissy!
As you've seen, there are assets at your disposal here. I'm almost ready to give a rats ass again

We avoided a 'forum war' and with everyone's cooperation we can avoid a flame disintegration.

I don't know if I can help, but if there is a rogue situation - the clearer the issues are, the better the chance of resolution. I'm just a poster and sometime player, but when my voice is 'clear' it gets an ear sometimes.

If this thread stays 'clean' I might be able to help, i don't know.

 

[lojo]

It's all good, Tom. The past is the past. Either CB Corp has denied valid winings or it hasn't in these cases.


I didn't mean to make the thread so hot, but... what's the difference? Fair play is fair play, and we're all learning something, aren't we? (that means you lurker)

You know me T, I'm a wildcard and a flash in the pan

 

[BingoT]

I hear ya lojo
And now they are head banging me because Lisa came in and she now may say her peace.
And I was thinking I was helping in sending out the emails to all of them bingo halls listed.and I got a reply with shit on BPU.
This will be my last post in this thread because it's a W O F T.
And to much toilet paper I have to use reading this %$#@
I was told by many to just leave this group alone and So Be It

 

[lojo]

say la vee. I don't haunt any other sites.

 

[Sissy]

BingoT said:

I don't know that site I sent it to I only got all the names from that list that was posted here.So I went to every site that was on it.
[email protected] All I know I Emailed this and POOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF they sent me a reply.I think I sent it to an affiliate group that promotes all the places that are on the list.
Well least I helped you on something else for ya.

Please let me do my own emailing BingoT.. at least I know who I am sending them to. Thanks so much! Help is NOT what I got. BTW do you not have a "sent" file that you can refer to that will refresh your memory on who you sent them to?

BPU admin got a reply from JD@amigobingo today and I am posting the only relevant part to this discussion...

Now as for the BingoT issue:

4) BingoT contacted our hall manager last night and wanted our feedback on posting about AmigoBingo in your forum - NO WHERE ELSE.

Now with that said, I am finished "proving" myself. I have a mission to accomplish. Thanks lojo, I may need your helping hand!!

The only discussion I will be having from here on will pertain to the issue at hand.. CB Corp and their account closures due to "Risk Management", and the fact that there are still funds owed players IN the group they specified in their email and also from several months back.

Thanks for your patience.

 

[lojo]

Okay, I'm drunk, I'll bite.

WHY THE **** do you have to go there, you just lost my respect Sissy. You can earn it again by staying to the point.

CB

otherwise...

 

[lojo]

State your case

....
hmm?

 

[whatwedontknow]

Ill keep my mouth shut....
do your thing sissy.

but as a personal favor....ease up on my T....he is a good guy n means well. you know that.

good luck.

 

[Wild Heart]

CYBERBINGO NETWORK * if this network is also associated with BingoZest, Alpha Bingo, Bingofest, and BingoSky, and is owned by CB Corporation as mentioned in another area of this site, add the rest of the Cyberbingo Network to that list
Cyberbingo
WorldBingoHall
BingoBunnies
4BingoBingo
4LiveBingo
BingoBingo
BingoJackpots.com
Playbingoonline.com
ZingoBingo
BingoWay
BingoTastic
BingoStorm
MasterBingo
ExclaimBingo
HookedOnBingo
LadyluckBingo
Bahama-Bingo
ArcadeBingo
"

The above post is why I think the wrong sites were emailed and where the confusion started.

 

[lojo]

The above post is why I think the wrong sites were emailed and where the confusion started.

asked and answered?

 

[Wild Heart]

asked and answered?

Yes, I thought so too. Then the shit hit the fan again.

 

[dynamitewoman]

forum speak?

I am very interested in limiting the already omnipotent powers of the bingo sites to openly cheat and disable accounts. Someone said in this forum recently, ( and I paraphrase )that sites have the right to disable anyone they choose because it is in their rules. They can toss someone out of chat and close their account for whatever reason they want.
If you accept that high handed, arrogant, my way or the highway ethic, be happy..because that is what you can expect when it happens to you.
The Uk bingo sites have new regulations as of sept. 2007. They have someone monitoring their sites for fairness and following the rules that will be established as a standard code of online gaming. If they choose to NOT follow they will be penalized by a stiff fine and loss of license. So, whoever writes the rules gets to be the boss, IF you have the power to control the masses and demonstrate an equitable willingness to cooperate, supervise and maintain your power with integrity and fairness. this is why many bingo sites will go down... power without concession or compromise screams for a revolution...in this case...regulation!
Just because some bingo site writes down that they have the last word on any dispute or issue, and I feel I am being cheated, I am not going to walk away like a wounded puppy simply because they told me they are always right and I must accept that! LOL
The freedom to speak out, whether online, in a outdoor amphitheater, in a group of friends and neighbors or in an internet forum, is not something I am ready to give over to a group of profiteering business people centered on their profit margin to the exclusion of anything else in this world. That freedom IS part of my world.

 

[lojo]

I don't see anybody limiting your freedom of speech. You can stand on a bench and shout, post on a forum, write to your representatives, whatever you want to do, you have your freedom to express your content, discontent, or apathy.

I'm expressing my apathy at this so called issue. I do not have a right to play anywhere. Maybe there are rules in Europe that will make marketing and access conform, but that isn't free enterprise, it's socialism or something akin to it. That's fine. Here in the States we have freedom of speech, and a business has the right to serve me or choose not to as long as it doesn't discriminate based race, religion, or disability.

In no stretch of fairness could a business not pay me money owed because I spoke against them. But they can certainly refuse to serve me. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

By all means let everyone know once you have corroberating evidence (more than one source, as in prove it is a policy not a brainfart by a CSR or low level mgr) and if people wish to boycott a business that excercises its rights to serve whom they please, then they can talk with their money as well as repeat their reasons for not doing business with a business like that. That is consumer power and freedom of speech.

Now, if I got banned from a forum for simply disagreeing with a member or moderator; respectfully and constructively, while presenting facts. THAT would be censorship.

That's my opinion excercised with freedom of speech.

 

[silkprint]

So Lojo should everyone that has spoken up in the Inetbet thread be banned ? and if they did everyone here would just say 'oh well , I deserved it " I don't think so . Inetbet wouldn't do that anyway as they are a great casino.

 

[silkprint]

I am seriuos though that online bingo rots . They give bonuses that you can't even be caashed if you win from it , changes rules when they feel like it . I have heard way too many negative things at this point . This group in particular hasn't even cared enough to respond here except for that first extremely lame post . BLAH

 

[lojo]

So Lojo should everyone that has spoken up in the Inetbet thread be banned ? and if they did everyone here would just say 'oh well , I deserved it " I don't think so . Inetbet wouldn't do that anyway as they are a great casino.

If ANY business wants to ban any player for any reason, that's their business as long as they pay what is owed.

Let a decent operation try it and watch thier customer base go straight to hell

Is this waht the thread is really about? I thought someone said someone got ripped off. But we don't know, because we don't know how BPU filters their complaints.

And you are right, MOST online bingo rots. Have you seen some of these jokers? bingoisus, etc.? I had to smell the stinky finger (as HGB might say) just tosee how funky things might be.

But we aren't dealing with such rogues as far as I know. And not much has been clarified. Maybe CB Corp is rogue? I don't know.

All I can say, and this goes against my grain because Winward is Rogue here for denying winnings to 'advantage' players and failure to respond to Bryan (but that was in May, and their new GM is not rogue in my opinion and my experience) Is to play bingo at decent RTG's or MG's (because it is available) and if you don't - play at BingoHall or any other Winward Gaming site.

I guess the basic gaming public doesn't know there are rogues out there, and the Bingo crowd that gets ripped off might be grammas having their first online reaming by the rosey red ramrod of remorse... so thisd really is coming to playing at rogues.

Does the BPU have links to bingo sites and do they make money when people sign up or lose? And if so, has their site been audited for rogue halls?

I'll take it on if I start to give a little more rats ass about this, but I don't want to.

Lets keep it clean:

CB Corp has been accused of unrightfully withholding winnings.

There is the non-point, in my opinion, of them closing accounts due to posting on sites. We don't know if it is policy, if it was a bad 'on your feet' management decision, if it was a customer service rep reading something wrong or lying, and we don't have any screen shots of the ada/pcwarfare (navymans-mom) conversation.

With those things in mind, I am saying. ppppbbbllllttt.

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

Reply to Lolo

Here is a complete copy/paste of the post I made at BPU with regard to BingoSky's LiveChat about my account being disabled for being a member of BPU. I included I copy/paste of my email to their manager since LiveHelp told me to write to said manager. I will post their reply and my answer to that email after this post is complete. You should also note that LiveHelp lied through their teeth regarding their connection with Cyberbingo as well.

I had received the exact same LiveChat conversation from AlphaBingo about a week before this account but I was so shocked at that reason for my account being disabled that I didn't even think to copy/paste it...but I did write to Jason as I was told to do, and as usual, Jason was silent in his reply and I've yet to hear from him....even though my account with Alpha was in good standing, I was a steady depositor, always respectful in chat, and never caused a problem at their site.

BingoSky's Unwritten Rule

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Well, I just got kicked to the curb by another site for talking about it, even when I gave helpful information about it, at BPU. LOL The following is a copy/paste from the email I sent to the manager this morning after my discussion with LiveHelp when I couldn't log in at BingoSky.

Just to let you guys know that the sites are keeping a close eye on BPU and are implementing new rules that aren't written anywhere on their sites that take away your freedom of speech on a whim, even when you may be helping their site rather than harming it. I have not received a reply from management but I have no patience with this bullsh.. and didn't even give them the few hours I thought it might take to correct this at thier end since it took only a flick of a switch for them to make the judgment call to disable my account in the first place with no warning email to me at all. If they can disrespect me that much and not even give me the benefit of the doubt enough to come and read what I had to say about them in the first place, I don't want to have my account re-enabled there anyhow. The hell with them and their tactics. One more site removed from my list of sites to play at...no big loss to me.

>>>>According to LiveChat when I tried to log in this morning to check my email address and make sure you had the correct one listed, my account has been disabled for remarks I made at another site regarding BingoSky. The only site I have ever made comments about BingoSky to was BPU ( www.bingoplayersunion.com ) and it was in no way disparaging to your site. There were some members who were confusing your site with another site called Cyberbingo and I actually set the record straight that you are not connected with them. I actually HELPED your site rather than hurt it by letting people know that you are a stand-alone site and multiple account issues that others had run into with other sites was not an issue at yours. How could giving that information to possible new members and depositors do anything but HELP your site?

I have copy/pasted my conversation with LiveHelp this morning's date as well as the post I made at BPU when I had previously gone to LiveHelp to get the multiple account information. Please explain to me why this would have been cause to disable my account? According to your LiveHelp this morning, my answer may take 'weeks' to resolve. I don't think this simple request should take any longer than a couple of hours after you receive this email. Please respond ASAP so I will know if I have an account with you that can be funded finally. I wasn't in a financial position to do so when I joined, but am now able to and can't.

>>>>
BINGOSKY LIVE CHAT
7:18 AM 8/9/2007

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Ada'
Ada: hello
Ada: how may I help you
you: I'm unable to log in. I wanted to check my email

address to make sure it has the right one listed since I

am no longer receiving your newsletters.
you: pcwarfare/usnavy ID#75625
Ada: what is your alias?
you: pcwarfare
you: am I still connected to you?
Ada: yes
you: ok..lol
Ada: your account has been DISABLED
you: can you tell me why?
Ada: Im sorry but you cannot play until you contact

manager
Ada: it says you were posting bad comments against our

site on other forums and sites
Ada: thats the NOTE
you: I've never said anything against bingosky...I've only

played here once about a year ago when I signed up. I just

recently got to a financial position where I could now

deposit here so why would I bad-rap it? That makes no

sense to me.
you: Do you have an email addy for the mgr please?
Ada: I understand and I wont get into a discussion with

you about it....as I can only acknowledge the note left on

your profile...
you: I understand that. That's why I asked for the mgr

email addy.
Ada: unfortunately I am not the right person to be

pleading with ...and I wish I could help you re-enable the

account...
Ada: but I do not have the authority and only manager

takes care of these issues
Ada: [email protected]
Ada: good luck with your case and pls note that it can

take a few weeks to resolve
Ada: and again sorry I cannot assist you with this...
you: tyvm...I'll write him/her now.

NOTE: The ONLY statement I've ever made about BingoSky at BPU is or anywhere else has been the following copy/pasted:

"pcwarfare
Senior Member


Joined: 25 May 2007
Posts: 102

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: BingoSky is a 'stand-alone' according

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to their Live Help. I had talked with them just last week to find out about any sister sites or associations in order to avoid 'multiple account' issues, and the following is a copy/paste from that chat:

12:14 PM 6/12/2007

Chat InformationPlease wait for a site operator to respond.
Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Breanna'
Breanna: Welcome to BingoSKY Support. How may I help you today?
you: I am registered at Bingo Sky and am now becoming familiar with the multiple accounts rule, but I don't know what sites you are sister to or affiliated with that I might have registered at, breaking your rules, without intending to do so. Is there a way for me to find out the names of those sites so I can get those accounts closed?
Breanna: We are our own site. Meaning as long as you only have one account at BingoSKY there is not a problem
you: very good. I think I was redirected here by another site that I used to belong to and they closed or moved out of the USA. Do you know what site that might have been?
Breanna: I have no idea, sorry
you: ok...ty for your help. Now I can deposit here at Sky and not worry that I've broken a rule. I appreciate your information
_________________
A J (TONI)
"People may not always remember what you said, but they will always remember how you treated them" >>>>

account alias: XXXXX >>>>>>>

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

Email from BingoSky and my reply

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----- Original Message -----
From: BingoSKY Manager
To: A J Hackler
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Disabled Account


Hello A J,

Thank you for your interest in wanting to return to BingoSky.com.

We rarely have any issues with any of our members as they are all treated like VIPs and are very content with the services we offer within our community. Having said this, we are extremely wary on accepting members who may possibly disturb this environment we have worked very hard to achieve.

To make us feel at ease please sum up in several words why is it you would like to play at BingoSky.com. This will be a deciding factor whether your account will be reinstated.

Looking forward to your email.


Regards,

BingoSky Management>>>>>>

>>>>>Excuse me but if you feel 'friendly' enough towards me to call me by my first name, the very least you could have done was afford ME the respect and courtesy of providing YOUR name as well. As it is, I am now expected by BingoSky "management" to suck up with an elementary school essay on why I am worthy to rejoin your group. I don't EVEN think so, pal. You have in NO WAY explained to me why you think the one and only post I made on ANOTHER website 'disturbed' your sacred environment when what I offered in that post was information from YOUR LiveHelp showing that people were incorrect in thinking you were attached at the ass by your mouth to another online bingo site. That did NOT disturb your environment....it actually HELPED clarify an issue people were mistaken about and could have easily brought in new members BECAUSE of my post.

I don't need YOU deciding at this point if I am acceptable to your site. I'VE decided YOU are not worthy of my time, let alone my money, so take your 'offer of consideration' and sum up THIS, you sanctimonious ass. You disabled my account with no notice to me, no email warning to me that it was even being considered, and you obviously never even bothered to READ the one post I actually made about your site or you would have known in advance that I was HELPING and not HURTING you. I'm Italian...I speak with my hands alot....be glad you can't see the gestures I'm sending you.

A J

 

[BingoT]

I did say I was not going to reply again but I did Email and live chat to the right people this time.
Lets see if they reply and get this fixed for her.


you: Can you please have someone look at this Please pass it on Thank You Will you please look at this and fix this matter for all of us Thank You We would like a reply on this to get this done and over with. Thank You Tom This is all about your Bingo you have. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/players-accounts-closed-for-risk-management.20718/
you: Can you pass this on to the right person please
you: I don't get any where by sending the email to that person
Ada: 1 sec pls
Ada: are you referring to not getting anywhere by contacting manager?
you: Yes they ignore this
Ada: ok
Ada: all I can do is forward this to manager for you...
you: And I think they should fix this matter
you: And this group hates me and this would be nice to have this fixex
Ada: which group?
you: BPU
Ada: this is a business we don't personally hate or like or dislike anyone
Ada: you have to keep contacting manager directly yourself please.
you: This group you do
you: He ignore this
Ada: what is your alias?
you: what does that mater I only like to help this person out
you: I think it is pcwarfare I don't know
Ada: I thought you were the person in need?
you: I am a good person looking out for people
Ada: ok
Ada: but what is your alias and what is the alias of the person in need?
you: Can you please send this to the right pers on for her
Ada: who does manager contact then?
Ada: why do you say the group hates you?
you: My reasons
Ada: ok
you: I just like this to be done and over with and to help this person out
Ada: I sent the link to manager.....thank you!
you: If I promoted you and had someone join by me I would like the person in need get all the help they can
Ada: I understand
Ada: thank you
Ada: enjoy your day!
you: Thank You
you: And please don't ignore thi s and please send it to the right person
you: No Need to ignore this about your place you have
you: BingoSky

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

What is your problem, BingoT?

I posted proof that CB Corp lied in their notice to you guys regarding shutting down accounts just for being a member at BPU, and instead of asking LiveHelp at BingoSky to contact their manager and have him/her come here to explain that lie, you turn that chat into a "BPU hates me" statement. I don't believe you will get any kind of response from the manager there, but will be surprised if you do and even more suprised if that response includes an explanation that isn't a CYA operation.

I would appreciate your keeping your hostile comments about BPU to yourself since none of this thread has anything to do with anyone from BPU coming here to trash you, and yet you have tried your darnedest to turn this thread into your personal vendetta regarding our credibility.

You mentioned as well your being banned from BPU and made it appear that it was to censor you and your freedom of speech....I don't think you want your followers here to find out why you were really banned from BPU so please stay focused on what this thread is really about and stop acting like a knuckle-dragger.

Thank you......