Payment Processor Stole money

[amatrine]

I forgot the name of it now. Threw away the cd and erased from puter. It was a new one. Not sloto. The thing is it declined my credit card, but they sure kept the info.

 

[max1mike]

its desert nights. without a doubt.

just got one myself...same amount as the others...

 

[cheetahwind]

Well what's getting me on this whole ordeal with the processor declining, yet taking and actually keeping the money. Is the fact I have now been promised twice over the last 3 weeks I would receive a refund from both processors that are giving back these funny declines. Yet on both occasions I have so far yet to see a refund. One was processed 3 weeks ago, and the other one was processed on Tuesday and I still yet to see either post. Granted I have gotten credit for both transactions, but don't give me credit and tell me I'm still getting a refund when I'm not. Just say hey we gave you credit to your account and your no longer entitled to a refund. Simple as that.

 

[max1mike]

to clarify. after i had over $300 stolen from my primary household account (and the wife going ballistic), I deleted all casinos from my puter.

after getting a great bonus offer from desert nights (rtg)I bought a prepaid card,... , re-installed them, and made a deposit.

the only place that card was used at!


still having money remaining on the card

well then, I try to use the card again (at a gas station) and its declined, and I find out later that it was charged by...you guessed it...ccbilleu.




07/16/2012 08:48:19 VISA PURCHASE
CCBILLeu.com +1888596927
Valetta
Terminal: K7900000 -$ 39.77

07/16/2012 08:48:17 SVC CHG INTRNTL TRAN
CCBILLeu.com +1888596927
Valetta
Terminal: K7900000 -$ 1.19

this needs to stop.

I have contacted ccbilleu by phone, and they have agreed to refund the charges, but...this is bullshit.

the cs rep at ccbilleu said "I see you have a subscrition to blah blah dating whatever"... Ummm. no. no I don't. I'm a married old man. porn is free if I were so inclined. last thing I'd do is pay for it.

 

[amatrine]

Yeah, that happened to me, declined, then I get a charge after that a few days later , but it was not even the amount I tried to charge. Very strange. I just barley yesterday got the credit back from my bank,
It must be related to those casinos that use that software, because now it wont let me play at any of them. Very unfair, not that I want to play there now anyway. Genseys club declines me now, and it was the same type casino that gave me the decline. So the processor must be used by all of them I am guessing, and now I am on their black list for getting my money back, from a charge I did not make. Nice.

I think I warning needs to be put out for this group of casinos until someone can figure out what is going on, but yeah desert nights was the one that declined me, that first time, so I know at least where it originated from since I am not the only one.

 

[krissyistormy]

Oh my lord

I just done a bit of research for you all on this company and this is what I found

$1,523,721,733.20 in damages have been reported so far in theft from CcbillEU who's primary location is in Malta

They also list under CCBILL.COM, 1888Valetta, cashoo.co.uk, ccctrading.com, CCK Technologies, +18885969279 VALETTA, MALT etc etc. This processor is used for porn sites, dating sites, Aplitunes - passing off as an iTunes type company, make money from home schemes and even the stuff you buy that you see on TV, freebies where you have to pay postage, trial offers (Australians more prone to Shop from home scam "pure collagen") even paypal, below is their info if its still correct, I havent bothered to phone.

Administrative Contact:
Admin, DNS @ccbill.com
ccbillsupport@ccbill.com
2353 W University Dr
Bldg A
Tempe, AZ 85281
US
1.14804497750 Fax: 1.14804498819

CCBill have been processing these fraudulent payments dating back as far as 2004 from what i can see here in my little box so if you have only just noticed 1 charge I would be checking back through both credit card and bank statements, not even your bank account is safe, as this " payment processing company " is a fraud enabler, they know whats going on, they know that they are involved in a lot of fraudulent activity, in the last few minutes with the help of my trusty little friend, we have found there have been over 1 billion complaints lodged about them world wide and yet they continue to rip people off.

I urge you to contact the anti fraud departments in your countries and states to lodge an offical complaint or to give a statement to police. Billions of people are being ripped off with this processor, an apparent innocent 3rd party to the fraud who are benefiting financially from this conduct, this would have to be the worlds biggest scam!

With regards to cancellation of your credit cards, as long as CCbill has your numbers on file they can make charges to your card even after it has been cancelled or expired, I just double checked this with my friend at a financial institution and I phoned another friend who is an I.D with the police force and his advice was to phone your bank where your card/accounts are held and ask to be put through to the fraud department, get them to put notes/alerts on your account with the above mentioned processors and do not take no for an answer, do not let the banks tell you they cannot monitor these payments because they can, they just choose not too, time consuming for them and they may actually have to do some real work for a change.

As for getting your money back from CCbill, a snowball has more of a chance in hell, the only suggestion I can give you is to fill in the forms for a chargeback no matter how nominal the amount, these guys have been taking as little as 10 cents.

Hope this info has helped.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Oh my lord

I just done a bit of research for you all on this company and this is what I found

$1,523,721,733.20 in damages have been reported so far in theft from CcbillEU who's primary location is in Malta

They also list under CCBILL.COM, 1888Valetta, cashoo.co.uk, ccctrading.com, CCK Technologies, +18885969279 VALETTA, MALT etc etc. This processor is used for porn sites, dating sites, Aplitunes - passing off as an iTunes type company, make money from home schemes and even the stuff you buy that you see on TV, freebies where you have to pay postage, trial offers (Australians more prone to Shop from home scam "pure collagen") even paypal, below is their info if its still correct, I havent bothered to phone.

Administrative Contact:
Admin, DNS @ccbill.com
ccbillsupport@ccbill.com
2353 W University Dr
Bldg A
Tempe, AZ 85281
US
1.14804497750 Fax: 1.14804498819

CCBill have been processing these fraudulent payments dating back as far as 2004 from what i can see here in my little box so if you have only just noticed 1 charge I would be checking back through both credit card and bank statements, not even your bank account is safe, as this " payment processing company " is a fraud enabler, they know whats going on, they know that they are involved in a lot of fraudulent activity, in the last few minutes with the help of my trusty little friend, we have found there have been over 1 billion complaints lodged about them world wide and yet they continue to rip people off.

I urge you to contact the anti fraud departments in your countries and states to lodge an offical complaint or to give a statement to police. Billions of people are being ripped off with this processor, an apparent innocent 3rd party to the fraud who are benefiting financially from this conduct, this would have to be the worlds biggest scam!

With regards to cancellation of your credit cards, as long as CCbill has your numbers on file they can make charges to your card even after it has been cancelled or expired, I just double checked this with my friend at a financial institution and I phoned another friend who is an I.D with the police force and his advice was to phone your bank where your card/accounts are held and ask to be put through to the fraud department, get them to put notes/alerts on your account with the above mentioned processors and do not take no for an answer, do not let the banks tell you they cannot monitor these payments because they can, they just choose not too, time consuming for them and they may actually have to do some real work for a change.

As for getting your money back from CCbill, a snowball has more of a chance in hell, the only suggestion I can give you is to fill in the forms for a chargeback no matter how nominal the amount, these guys have been taking as little as 10 cents.

Hope this info has helped.

They must have far more than this on file surely. What about the 3 digit security code? This is not just about CCbill, but the banking system as a whole making card fraud so easy despite what they are telling customers about the "robust measures" being taken to protect them from such fraud. The 3 digit code should NEVER be "on file" at a third party processor in a form that it could be submitted as part of a fake transaction. Even the card number shouldn't be permanently stored in an unencrypted form that could be used for fraud.

Other hacking scams have revealed that the weak link IS this business of having our card details "on file" with a merchant in a form that can be decripted and used. No wonder that online and other "card not present" fraud is growing, even though other types of card fraud have been falling with the introduction of greater security measures.

It seems traditional cards offer no protection, and even prepaid cards offer limited protection. A better way would seem to be "virtual" cards that are created from an underlying fixed card and are good for one use only as the underlying card number is not transmitted, but a "virtual" number is used, and like a UKash voucher number, becomes invalid once used. This should (hopefully) prevent details "on file" with a merchant or processor being used again and again for fraudulent charges.

Since the details are on file, it still has to be a hack or "inside job" that initially places these card details in the hands of fraudsters, and this shows how shockingly lax security is at CCbill if there have been a BILLION breaches since 2004. A company suffering this level of "data leakage" should be doing something about it. CCbill are either shockingly incompetent, or are NOT an "innocent third party" merely being a "conduit" due to their lax procedures.

 

[krissyistormy]

I reasearched them a little more and the complaints against them, there are just too many to read. In my professional and personal opinion they are definately a conduit for this fraud given their reprehensible business ethics add that to the complaints the company receives and the amount of charge back requests, after this many years surely the head of goldman sachs...errr ummm I mean CCBill would know that the companies they are processing for are not on the up and up.

The way I see it, most of the stolen money charges are to sex industry websites, and WOW dont some of those have some funky names even some that could be mistaken for CP, most people would be either too scared or too embarressed to phone their bank and discuss their apparent membership to the XXX site...ergo...less people report the theft and the company walks away with billions of funds from innocent victims and amongst it all is CCbill who do recieve the reports and complaints, rarely give a refund and collect their commission on every single transaction they process.

Oh they're in on it alright and how perfect a scam it is.

For those who have never used Ukash. I use Ukash all the time and I think its one of the best online solutions there are, it is starting to become a huge success and very soon almost every online establishment, gaming, shopping or otherwise will accept the vouchers as a form of payment. I visit the Ukash site on a regular basis to see what new online shopping stores are accepting them and theres a lot of action happening for the company. For those of you who have never used Ukash, its just a matter of going to a land based merchant store in your country and buying them with no extra charges or hidden fees, you can find your nearest merchant by going to www.Ukash.com and doing a search.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I reasearched them a little more and the complaints against them, there are just too many to read. In my professional and personal opinion they are definately a conduit for this fraud given their reprehensible business ethics add that to the complaints the company receives and the amount of charge back requests, after this many years surely the head of goldman sachs...errr ummm I mean CCBill would know that the companies they are processing for are not on the up and up.

The way I see it, most of the stolen money charges are to sex industry websites, and WOW dont some of those have some funky names even some that could be mistaken for CP, most people would be either too scared or too embarressed to phone their bank and discuss their apparent membership to the XXX site...ergo...less people report the theft and the company walks away with billions of funds from innocent victims and amongst it all is CCbill who do recieve the reports and complaints, rarely give a refund and collect their commission on every single transaction they process.

Oh they're in on it alright and how perfect a scam it is.

For those who have never used Ukash. I use Ukash all the time and I think its one of the best online solutions there are, it is starting to become a huge success and very soon almost every online establishment, gaming, shopping or otherwise will accept the vouchers as a form of payment. I visit the Ukash site on a regular basis to see what new online shopping stores are accepting them and theres a lot of action happening for the company. For those of you who have never used Ukash, its just a matter of going to a land based merchant store in your country and buying them with no extra charges or hidden fees, you can find your nearest merchant by going to www.Ukash.com and doing a search.

Easier said than done - not too impressed when I tried it out.

Their map showed about a dozen outlets selling it, I found ONE that could actually DO it via their Paypoint terminal. I also tutored a second store in how to do it, but he struggled to get it to work. One store didn't even exist, and the rest were a simple "we don't do it, next please".

I would hope things have improved since, and it does prevent extra charges being debited after the sale as can happen with card purchases. It seems they need an online voucher purchase option, as all they do is take payment and generate a voucher number. If they require online buyers to sign up first, they will know more about them than local stores where you can walk in with cash, and walk out with it nicely laundered into up to £150 worth of UKash vouchers.