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Question Netent common live blackjack...scam?

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Monnii, Jul 5, 2017.

    Jul 5, 2017
  1. Monnii

    Monnii Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    sailor
    Location:
    finland
    What the hell?
    Out of 30 hands i lost 28,
    First everything i had won earlier on other games, then deposit after deposit. Dealer gets a 6, i get 8,3 I double-> get an A, dealer then ofcourse first gets a 10, all good, then a 5.
    And so forth. Everytime i get 20 the dealer gets blackjack/gets to 21 by some miracle.
    And for those of you who dont know the netent common live bj
    It's basically live blackjack but with only one seat, so everyone is playing the same hand, and when someone takes another card and another stands, it follows the same rules, but dealer takes her second card after players hands have been dealt, so im wondering-
    Could it ne possible-

    That netent can see from the machine the future cards and then have a "AI player" who hits on cards which the dealer wants to pass in order to win. Because i see far too many times players decide to split 10's, take another card when theyre at 20 etc. And without fail, it always ends up that way that the dealer would have busted/not gotten enough if players would have followed simple bj strategy/common sense. And I mean, every single time someone split 10's or doubled 20, we all lost and dealer qualified. Tell me im crazy but WHAT THE HELL.
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2017
  2. Jul 5, 2017
  3. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    An AI saboteur? :eek:

    I've dealt and played Blackjack enough times to know how it generally runs, and by the sounds of it that's just barmy. Not even someone who's played it for the very first time would take a card on 20 :what:

    I don't trust computerized Blackjack as it is, and am unsure about live games because I don't trust them fully either! Who knows what the hell goes on sometimes :cool:
     
  4. Jul 5, 2017
  5. Monnii

    Monnii Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    sailor
    Location:
    finland
    Yeah, Im just in shock everytime because let's say the dealer has a 10, and the player gets 20 with two tens, then he splits and gets a 5, stands on that. Then next card is a king. Player stands and dealer gets an A. So if no one had split dealer would bust and everone would be happy. Besides, who splits 20, especially a 10?

    A couple of times dealer had a five, and 'we' got 19, then i see someone double for a 8, and busts. After that dealer pulls a 10, followed by 6. Once again from a yay! Situation to a wtf one.
    If this happened once, then okay but in the last 24 hours ive seen tens of these, that's alot of money to lose if it'd be just stupidity.

    Plus, they dont ever run out of decks, you can only partly see the machine that's being dealt out of but seems that it just gets filled with used cards again and again, so what's to say that the machine can scan the next 10 cards, and calculate if someone should split, double, take a card or just stand and let the player win? As you can only see a percentage, usually below 5% of people who decide to do these completely stupid moved to fuck everyoned game up.
    Sorry but it just seems fishy as fuck after the run i had.
    Also today:
    AA me, dealer 6
    Split A,
    Get A10 A9, just when you think youre gonna win, dealer pulls 5+10 for push+lose.

    Sorty for the longlong post :D
     
  6. Jul 5, 2017
  7. neilw

    neilw Moderator of Live Games forum CAG MM webmeister

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    But you do trust computerised RNG Slots?
     
  8. Jul 5, 2017
  9. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    Location:
    Londonia
    Not particularly, no. But I'm not the one watching in dismay as players take cards on 20, or the dealer doing a Superman whenever I have a high total!

    You can ask the OP about that. But as it happens, I won't touch AI Blackjack after what I've witnessed thankyou very much Neil! :cool:
     
  10. Jul 5, 2017
  11. neilw

    neilw Moderator of Live Games forum CAG MM webmeister

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    Location:
    Kent - England
    You're playing one of the worst possible versions of Blackjack. Only play 7 Seat.

    The NetEnt live Unlimited Blackjack is dealt from a Shufflemaster Auto Shoe. 6 decks are held in the shoe. Used cards are placed back into the Shoe after each game round and then all 6 decks get reshuffled before the next hand.

    The casinos like this shoe, as it speeds up the game, thwarts card counters and reduces dealing costs.

    The unlimited game is cheaper for them to run as they can have an unlimited number of people playing without incurring any additional costs.

    As you've found to your cost, you unfortunately play with people that do strange things. The game tends to attract newer players which may explain some of the crazy decisions people make. Splitting 10's in anyone's language is a high risk strategy. I see it sometimes, both online and in land based casinos and everyone is like WTF?

    An online live game is more secure than any land based casino game. I say that because the data for every action taken by player and dealer is recorded and analysed in real time by the compliance and risk systems that sit behind the games. Something a land based casino can't do.

    The operator (Netent) will know immediately if the dealer has done something non standard and will act on it. The games & equipment is all regularly checked by external agencies as part of the operating license, and these are performed on an adhoc and unannounced basis.

    The RTP is also carefully monitored, and if you've seen the recent changes by the UKGC, RTP is to be monitored much more closely and this will undoubtedly include live games.

    I'd advise you to stop playing this version and only play 7 seat Blackjack. Or if you don't trust any of it then don't play at all.

    What you are experiencing is rub of the green. I have sessions where I seem to never win a hand and others when i can't stop winning. I never come to the conclusion that the game is fixed for either outcome. I realise it's gambling and sometimes i get lucky sometimes I don't. The RTP is never 100% so over the long term i know I will lose.
     
  12. Jul 5, 2017
  13. neilw

    neilw Moderator of Live Games forum CAG MM webmeister

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    I wouldn't touch AI or RNG Blackjack either, that's why it's live for me all day long :)
     
  14. Jul 5, 2017
  15. Monnii

    Monnii Non-Gambler

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    sailor
    Location:
    finland
    Great answer and thanks for clearing that up with the auto shoe, Seems to be the case that ive been playing with tens of players where half have been complete morons. The rest of it must then probably be pushed into bad luck.
    Still hurts, as ive sat there shouting not again, we would win this and- the thing is that everytime this happened, we lost.. every single time. So that made my head spin and make a thread :D
     
  16. Jul 6, 2017
  17. Monnii

    Monnii Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    sailor
    Location:
    finland
    No seriously!!! What the fucking hell.
    Lost 700 today, and it's all because someone/AI is hitting at 18,19,20, against 5's and 7's etc.
    splitting 10's against 10's/A's
    Just lost 300 like this
    Bet 20€ get 8,3 against dealer 7,
    Double down and get 3
    Dealer gets K
    Bet 30€ get JK
    against dealer 10
    Then people split and get a 5 and 10
    Dealer then gets A.
    ..... and so on until last hand.
    Bet 100€ and get 11 against dealer 7
    Cant double down as its last money.
    Hit 9 for 20 thinking thank god.
    Dealer then gets 5, 4 and 5.
    And im out in a rage.
    Now thinking about how it's going to be basically completely pointless depositing more.
    FUCK YOU NETENT.
    Edit: and another 100€ lost with completely ridiculous outcomes of hands. And the dealer keeps laughing. Seriously the fact that it's netent's bj just makes it worse
     
  18. Jul 8, 2017
  19. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    Here is prime example of what i get pissed off with on live games , playing & testing new site & get this kinda crap , now im not stating the casino is not going to pay or otherwise , but i thought i would take screenshots of all my bets just incase it ever arises again today it did again clearly the total bet is £95 quid winning bet £8 straight payout = £0

    Here we go again been here before screen shot shows bets & stuff , this is what they need to sort out .
     

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  20. Jul 10, 2017
  21. Monnii

    Monnii Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    sailor
    Location:
    finland
    These netent "classic bj" are so fucking rigged!!
    30/30 times the dealer had a 10- it drew a 10/A for a win,
    10/10 i had 11 and doubled i did not hit a 10 and lost.
    Lose, lose, draw, win, lose, lose, lose, draw.... even when i got blackjack the dealer ofcourse got the Ace. Fuck you netent, you ruin lives
     
  22. Jul 17, 2017
  23. Monnii

    Monnii Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    sailor
    Location:
    finland
    Isoftbet blackjack
    11 times in a row- dealer gets either 21 or BJ
    and all my hands were 14-20... only time I got to 21 with 8+3 hit K. Vs dealer J then gets an Ace and i lose.
    What the fucking fuck. There's literally nothing left for me where not to lose like completely insanely bad
     

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